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Re: NSW Origin Team

Unread post by WestsBenTigers » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:05 pm

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Sun 22 Oct, 2017 7:38 pm
Nah, sorry to say this but Brailey is well ahead of Liddle now. Liddle may have beat Brailey out for the NSW/Aust under 20's gig a year or two back, but Brailey has developed far more than Liddle has.

Unless Liddle puts on some upper body size, he won't be able to stand the week to week pounding he's going to receive playing in NRL. Not to mention that he has already had a shoulder op after playing two or three games for us.

No utility, that's why they pick 18 players and decide just before kick off (i think its 40 minutes before kick off) who will be 18th player .. Gutherson would be a the utility .. and Creighton is could be handy as well in the backline.

T. Trbojevic can play anywhere in the backline from 1 to 5
Gutherson can play anywhere from 1 to 7

Josh Addo-Carr won't to be far off being picked for NSW next season as well.
It depends what role you want your hooker to play.

If you want them to just make their tackles and give good service then you would go for McInnes or Peats

If you wanted spark and more of an attacking hooker you would go with Liddle, Koroisau, Cook

Then you could go left field and throw Pearce or J Reynolds in at 9 and see how they go.

Depends what role you want your #9 to play


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Unread post by goldcoast tiger » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:12 pm

WestsBenTigers wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 7:12 pm
TigerSkins wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 6:24 pm
NSW has to start blooding some new players into the team Mitchell, Cleary, Moses, RCG, Brailey, McLean, the Turbo brothers and Creighton are our players for the future. They are all full time 1st graders now, they seasoned hard and have all played big games .. now's the time for them to see what SOO is all about. There's a good blend of experience there to show these guys the ropes, we've got some big boppers, Cleary will kick goals, and both halves have good kicking games.

1. Tedesco
2. Mansour
3. Bird
4. Mitchell
5. Trbojevic
6. Moses
7. Cleary
8. Campbell-Gillard
9. Brailey
10. McLean
11. Cordner (c)
12. Klemmer
13. Frizel

14. Vaughan
15. Creighton
16. Trbojevic
17. Fifita
18. Gutherson
No utility!

And Moses over Gutherson!!!

Also, I think J Liddle is a better hooker than Brailey. So if we are talking about hookers of the future. Liddle should be in the team.
Liddle has to learn to be a first grader before he will get i within a bulls roar of an Origin team. Braille is in the same boat.

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Unread post by goldcoast tiger » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:24 pm

WestsBenTigers wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 2:31 pm
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Need to find a better hooker than Peats. He adds nothing.
He doesn't need to add anything.

All we want from our hooker is to give quick service to the halves so they have as much time as possible. And as long as he does his job in defence, and doesn't miss any tackles than that's all we need from our hooker.

And I think Peats fits that criteria, so we are better off showing loyalty and confidence towards Peats so he isn't under the pressure of retaining his spot every game and he and focus on the task at hand.

As long as we have two capable halves of controlling the game, getting the side to where they need to be on the park, and can set up scoring opportunities - Then Peats is all we need at hooker.
A hooker who can't run when the time is right to do it.
Why not just tell Qld to belt the daylights out of the first receivers?
It's bad enough that the defence is hardly ever on side in Origin.
The one thing that can keep then almost on side , and maybe a little hesitant is the doubt that the DH can get a quick scoot if the markers get lazy.
Our first receivers would be in for a bashing all night

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Unread post by WestsBenTigers » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:31 pm

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:24 pm
WestsBenTigers wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 2:31 pm
Harvey wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 12:19 pm
Need to find a better hooker than Peats. He adds nothing.
He doesn't need to add anything.

All we want from our hooker is to give quick service to the halves so they have as much time as possible. And as long as he does his job in defence, and doesn't miss any tackles than that's all we need from our hooker.

And I think Peats fits that criteria, so we are better off showing loyalty and confidence towards Peats so he isn't under the pressure of retaining his spot every game and he and focus on the task at hand.

As long as we have two capable halves of controlling the game, getting the side to where they need to be on the park, and can set up scoring opportunities - Then Peats is all we need at hooker.
A hooker who can't run when the time is right to do it.
Why not just tell Qld to belt the daylights out of the first receivers?
It's bad enough that the defence is hardly ever on side in Origin.
The one thing that can keep then almost on side , and maybe a little hesitant is the doubt that the DH can get a quick scoot if the markers get lazy.
Our first receivers would be in for a bashing all night
Well Liddle certainly knows how to get out of dummy-half.

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Unread post by goldcoast tiger » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:41 pm

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:38 pm
WestsBenTigers wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:31 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:24 pm
WestsBenTigers wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 2:31 pm

He doesn't need to add anything.

All we want from our hooker is to give quick service to the halves so they have as much time as possible. And as long as he does his job in defence, and doesn't miss any tackles than that's all we need from our hooker.

And I think Peats fits that criteria, so we are better off showing loyalty and confidence towards Peats so he isn't under the pressure of retaining his spot every game and he and focus on the task at hand.

As long as we have two capable halves of controlling the game, getting the side to where they need to be on the park, and can set up scoring opportunities - Then Peats is all we need at hooker.
A hooker who can't run when the time is right to do it.
Why not just tell Qld to belt the daylights out of the first receivers?
It's bad enough that the defence is hardly ever on side in Origin.
The one thing that can keep then almost on side , and maybe a little hesitant is the doubt that the DH can get a quick scoot if the markers get lazy.
Our first receivers would be in for a bashing all night
Well Liddle certainly knows how to get out of dummy-half.
Ah! The old gem , the under 20,s highlight video, always good for a chuckle. .
Also wasn't it you who said that we don't need a hooker to do that?


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Unread post by WestsBenTigers » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:52 pm

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:41 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:38 pm
WestsBenTigers wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:31 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 8:24 pm


A hooker who can't run when the time is right to do it.
Why not just tell Qld to belt the daylights out of the first receivers?
It's bad enough that the defence is hardly ever on side in Origin.
The one thing that can keep then almost on side , and maybe a little hesitant is the doubt that the DH can get a quick scoot if the markers get lazy.
Our first receivers would be in for a bashing all night
Well Liddle certainly knows how to get out of dummy-half.
Ah! The old gem , the under 20,s highlight video, always good for a chuckle. .
Also wasn't it you who said that we don't need a hooker to do that?
I never said that Liddle should be in the side for 2018.

We are better off going with Peats.

But I was talking Liddle v Brailey and how I believe Liddle is better and how he can get out of dummy half.

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Unread post by innsaneink » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 9:12 pm

Wallace...hes tough, can go 80 in Origin (which these kids the kid here is talking about would be lucky to do in NRL), can kick, direct play, has experience, hes tough and wont let you down

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Unread post by Russell » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 9:27 pm

TigerSkins wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 7:38 pm
Nah, sorry to say this but Brailey is well ahead of Liddle now. Liddle may have beat Brailey out for the NSW/Aust under 20's gig a year or two back, but Brailey has developed far more than Liddle has.

Unless Liddle puts on some upper body size, he won't be able to stand the week to week pounding he's going to receive playing in NRL. Not to mention that he has already had a shoulder op after playing two or three games for us.

No utility, that's why they pick 18 players and decide just before kick off (i think its 40 minutes before kick off) who will be 18th player .. Gutherson would be a the utility .. and Creighton is could be handy as well in the backline.

T. Trbojevic can play anywhere in the backline from 1 to 5
Gutherson can play anywhere from 1 to 7

Josh Addo-Carr won't to be far off being picked for NSW next season as well.
Glad this is what a Forum is all about - difference of opinion.

I don't think Brailey is in the same class as Liddle now, let alone into the future. Brailey imo is a very ordinary DH - lacks the Liddle creativity.

As far as I remember Liddle has played about 14 games for us , not 2 or 3. Brailey played most of the season although he was injured and missed a few - so somewhere around 18.

We are talking SOO here - can't even see why people are talking about Liddle, Brailey, Addo Carr, Moses etc. None of these players are even close to being ready.

Addo Carr, Mitchell and Fifita can win you a game but they can also lose you a game - are they worth the risk - my thought is NO.

Moses wouldn't tackle a good feed - let alone stand up in SOO. In the NRL he has players trying to cover for him, this cannot happen in SOO. There is no where to hide. It is everyone for himself.

Peats is NOT good enough - no creativity whatsoever, no kicking game - passes ok and tackles ok - but this is SOO not NRL where you can get away with that. The only DH we have that is good enough at this stage is Peter Wallace. Hopefully he can last out until one of these young guys stands up.

As for someone making 10 changes - What!!! Let's just let QLD have it for another year.

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Unread post by tig_prmz » Sun 22 Oct, 2017 9:44 pm

peter wallace is my choice tooo
My Round 1 Team 2018

1. lolo 2. noffa 3. suli 4. milne 5. fonua
6. reynolds 7. brooks
8. packer 9. ET 10. Twal
11. McQuen 12. Lawrence 13. Eiso
14. Matulino 15. McIllwrick 16. Sue 17. Aloiai
18. Marsters 19. Benji 20. Grant 21. K Naiqama
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Unread post by colmcd » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 7:21 am

WestsBenTigers wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 7:12 pm
TigerSkins wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 6:24 pm
NSW has to start blooding some new players into the team Mitchell, Cleary, Moses, RCG, Brailey, McLean, the Turbo brothers and Creighton are our players for the future. They are all full time 1st graders now, they seasoned hard and have all played big games .. now's the time for them to see what SOO is all about. There's a good blend of experience there to show these guys the ropes, we've got some big boppers, Cleary will kick goals, and both halves have good kicking games.

1. Tedesco
2. Mansour
3. Bird
4. Mitchell
5. Trbojevic
6. Moses
7. Cleary
8. Campbell-Gillard
9. Brailey
10. McLean
11. Cordner (c)
12. Klemmer
13. Frizel

14. Vaughan
15. Creighton
16. Trbojevic
17. Fifita
18. Gutherson
No utility!

And Moses over Gutherson!!!

Also, I think J Liddle is a better hooker than Brailey. So if we are talking about hookers of the future. Liddle should be in the team.
Yes, too many Origin noobs. There needs to be a transition from old to new. I think they should pick Reynolds to lead the halves with Maloney for consistency for one game. Then bring Moses if his form is still very good or Blake Austin. Yes I know we hate Moses but he is probably one of the form 5/8ths at the moment and roughly the same height as Reynolds.

There needs to be a shakeup in the front row, but we need to see who is playing with Energy. Mclean may be a good pick because we need an energizer bunny in the front and Melbourne tend to make those. but at most 2x front rowers get the axe and two come in Vaughan is one of those.

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Unread post by kevinmcguiness » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 11:32 am

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My game 1 team 2018 1 Tedesco. 2.A Johnson. 3.Bird. 4.Jennings. 5.Mansour. 6. Moses. 7.Reynolds. 8. Klemmer. 9. Peats. 10. Merrin. 11. Cordner.(c). 12. Jackson. 13.Frizell. 14.Trbojevic. 15. Trbojevic . 16. Fifita. 17. Vaughan. Coach. B. Fittler .

Dugan is a NO for at least game 1. Fergusson is a total NO.
Swap Dugan for Jennings. Then Bird or walker for Centers.
Hooker. EPeats, although I would like to see Rein take the job off him.
Moylan is a NO, definate NO for starting. He has issues that stopped him from a final, cmon.
Adam Reynolds has been awesome for the Bunnies and should have been selected ahead of Pearce.
Maloney is borderline for 5/8 and it's up too other contenders to push him out. Oooh this is tough... Ok I know who should be in at 5/8 if he keeps his current form and the forum will hate me! But he has a combo with Tedesco and can do it. Otherwise move Pearce to 5/8... he is not an origin 7.
Vaughan and Frizell should be in there.
Bird has to perform. If he shows another game of nothing then he should be dropped. If there was another center I would push them in.

Now this will sound weird. Teddy is going to the bench while T. man starts at fullback (maybe swap these two). Alex Johnson coming in on the wing because he is a gun winger for souths and usually across the try line, also because he might have a club combo with Reynolds.
Teddy is on another level to Tommy Turbo and it's not even close. The kid is good but it's ridiculous to think he starts ahead of Teddy. Adam Reynolds should stay far away from a Blues jersey he is the most one dimensional halfback in the game.
i'd still prefer tommy turbo over tedesco

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Unread post by goldcoast tiger » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 11:46 am

innsaneink wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 9:12 pm
Wallace...hes tough, can go 80 in Origin (which these kids the kid here is talking about would be lucky to do in NRL), can kick, direct play, has experience, hes tough and wont let you down
I could live with Wallace being the hooker, he's been very good since switching to
That spot.
Plus if Cleary gets the halfback spot( as I hope), the combination is there.
We could do a lot worse.

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Unread post by Tigerdon » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 2:52 pm

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Mon 23 Oct, 2017 11:46 am
innsaneink wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 9:12 pm
Wallace...hes tough, can go 80 in Origin (which these kids the kid here is talking about would be lucky to do in NRL), can kick, direct play, has experience, hes tough and wont let you down
I could live with Wallace being the hooker, he's been very good since switching to
That spot.
Plus if Cleary gets the halfback spot( as I hope), the combination is there.
We could do a lot worse.
Wallace was talked up for 2017 SOO but got an injury at just the wrong time. 2018 he might have more luck.
i'd go for a tough seasoned player at 9. Wallace is certainly that. If Reynolds or Pearce played some 9 before SOO in season 2018 then they could be considered as well. No rookie 9 is up to it yet.
As for rookies : either Gutherson on the bench as a utility or Cleary at 7.
I think 2019 will be Cleary's year. hopefully he is at the Tigers by then.
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Unread post by formerguest » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 3:51 pm

Tigerdon wrote:
Mon 23 Oct, 2017 2:52 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Mon 23 Oct, 2017 11:46 am
innsaneink wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 9:12 pm
Wallace...hes tough, can go 80 in Origin (which these kids the kid here is talking about would be lucky to do in NRL), can kick, direct play, has experience, hes tough and wont let you down
I could live with Wallace being the hooker, he's been very good since switching to
That spot.
Plus if Cleary gets the halfback spot( as I hope), the combination is there.
We could do a lot worse.
Wallace was talked up for 2017 SOO but got an injury at just the wrong time. 2018 he might have more luck.
i'd go for a tough seasoned player at 9. Wallace is certainly that. If Reynolds or Pearce played some 9 before SOO in season 2018 then they could be considered as well. No rookie 9 is up to it yet.
As for rookies : either Gutherson on the bench as a utility or Cleary at 7.
I think 2019 will be Cleary's year. hopefully he is at the Tigers by then.
Not so sure about Reynolds, but reckon Pearce would excel at nine.

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Unread post by Harvey » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 4:58 pm

Wallace would be good. McInnes had a much better season than last year. I would consider Korisau. Lichaa has could be a smokey under a new coach and Rein needs to find regular first grade football

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Unread post by colmcd » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 5:51 pm

formerguest wrote:
Mon 23 Oct, 2017 3:51 pm
Tigerdon wrote:
Mon 23 Oct, 2017 2:52 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Mon 23 Oct, 2017 11:46 am
innsaneink wrote:
Sun 22 Oct, 2017 9:12 pm
Wallace...hes tough, can go 80 in Origin (which these kids the kid here is talking about would be lucky to do in NRL), can kick, direct play, has experience, hes tough and wont let you down
I could live with Wallace being the hooker, he's been very good since switching to
That spot.
Plus if Cleary gets the halfback spot( as I hope), the combination is there.
We could do a lot worse.
Wallace was talked up for 2017 SOO but got an injury at just the wrong time. 2018 he might have more luck.
i'd go for a tough seasoned player at 9. Wallace is certainly that. If Reynolds or Pearce played some 9 before SOO in season 2018 then they could be considered as well. No rookie 9 is up to it yet.
As for rookies : either Gutherson on the bench as a utility or Cleary at 7.
I think 2019 will be Cleary's year. hopefully he is at the Tigers by then.
Not so sure about Reynolds, but reckon Pearce would excel at nine.
Maybe Pearce would excel at 9, but Robbie Farah excel's at 9 and his problem is not getting the ball to the halves. What's Pearce, a number 7 going to do? He will run, kick play as a halfback.

There is no way Selectors should select Cleary as half. He is no where near ready. However if they pick Cleary, they need to pick him with Wallace and then pick a great 5/8. I am hoping Blake Austin will show some good form, because I reckon he has a good size and go forward for Origin (out of form, forget it). Otherwise we may be talking Maloney or Moses.

I am sure that Pearce will form a great combination with Cronk if he stays at the Roosters. But what will a "normal" halfback think of this half playing hooker? We removed Robbie Farah because he was too involved and did not give good ball, Pearce would be worse unless he stays at hooker for 2 years.

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Unread post by westTAHger » Mon 23 Oct, 2017 8:12 pm

Only when NSW improve their mindset, will they win another series.
They had the game in control, at halftime in game 2 of the series, and let it slip away.
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Unread post by Geo. » Wed 25 Oct, 2017 4:53 pm

Mitchell Moses hoping Brad Fittler association extends to State of Origin

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Mitchell Moses is hoping his association with Brad Fittler extends beyond their time in Lebanon camp, revealing his desire to impress his long-time hero and likely NSW coach as part of his push for a maiden State of Origin berth next year.

Moses will partner former Wests Tigers teammate Robbie Farah in the halves for the Cedars in their World Cup opener this weekend. It's a chance for the Parramatta playmaker to forge a strong bond with Lebanon mentor Fittler, tipped to take over from Laurie Daley as Blues coach from next month.

The 23-year-old's stocks are on the rise after a strong finish to the season culminated in the Eels playing finals football for the first time since 2009. He will be able to show how much his game has matured in clashes with France, England and Australia in what could prove to be an invaluable opportunity to bond with Fittler.

With long-time NSW halfback Mitchell Pearce again under pressure to retain the NSW No.7 jersey after another failed campaign, Moses said he was keen to crack the Origin arena.

"Definitely, 100 per cent. It's my goal every year," Moses said.

"If I keep playing the footy I was playing towards the end of the year, that stuff will sort itself out. We'll see what happens."

Moses said the opportunity to impress the likely NSW coach wasn't lost on him.

"Exactly. Whatever [selectors] do, I grew up idolising Freddie, he was one of the best five-eighths in the game.

"Whatever advice he can give me, I'm really going to listen in this camp. I'll take a lot out of this; whatever he has to say, I'll be listening.

"I'm not looking at it as in he's going to get the Blues job, I'll look at it as him being a world-class coach and a world-class player when he was playing. Whatever advice he has for me, I'll take in on board."

Fittler has already made his mark with the Cedars. The Panthers and Roosters legend has asked his squad to learn the Lebanese national anthem, orders his players to do 50 push-ups a day and encourages them to finish training by taking their boots off in an attempt to get back to nature.

Moses is buying in.

"It's a bit different, he's a pretty relaxed bloke," he said.

"For myself, I looked up to Freddie when I was younger and I'll take as much as I can out of this camp.

"He's one of the best five-eighths to play the game so whatever he says and whenever he gives you a few pointers about the game, you're always going to listen."

The opportunity to come into Lebanon camp with a mix of NRL players and semi-professionals is just the tonic to help Moses overcome the heartbreak of Parramatta's finals exit.

"It's brought my spirits back up," he said. "It was pretty shattering the way we finished and being here has helped me get over it.

"I've learned a lot [playing finals football]. The speed of the game, how much it changed, it's going to be the best thing for us as a team at Parramatta. We'll look to have a big year and take that experience into next season.

"I feel I've got a fair bit of improvement to go from this pre-season. Once this tournament is over I'll get straight back into training and get that full pre-eason under my belt. It will be massive."


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