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Post by stevetiger » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 10:01 am

smoking gun wrote:Again Marshall bashing Jesus, yes drop the best rated half statistically last year and the one ranked #2 on kpi stats this year. Some of you are brain dead. You would probably drop thurston to after his last 2 games
I just don't get what posters are actually watching. He wasn't the problem. The team wasn't even that bad. It was just one of those things that happens when you are a team that isn't in top form or with the best squad playing against a top team.

I thought they gave it a good go and in time we might be able to match Manly or another top team.


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Post by Tiger_heart » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 10:21 am

The general sentiment seems to be that we need a 5/8 that can organize the team around the park, consistently takes the right options and stands up when it counts - Marshall has NEVER been any of those things. Not denying the ability but there is a difference between the occasional act of brilliance and consistency. What the team needs is the latter rather than the former. For the money that he and Blair are on, they are both CAPABLE of a lot more than they have delivered, IMHO.

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Post by TIGER » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 10:52 am

hybrid_tiger wrote:Marshall has stagnated or even gone backwards as a player. Never, ever thought I would say this but I think he's currently one of our biggest problems.
Has been for some time now, it seems people are slowly realising, I don't know what's taken you's so long I've been saying it for years. Welcome aboard and enjoy the week in week out rubbish that Benji delivers watch how good teams show up Benji for what he really is "a touch player" why do you think his kicking stinks? You can't kick in touch.

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Post by shadow » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 11:19 am

Boonboon2 wrote:Benji isn't too blame for tonight everybody's love child tedesco has been the biggest weakness responsible for 3 manly tries

Your name should be baboon2 , u have no idea
Teddy actually did the right thing in defense , he followed his inside man in

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Post by smoking gun » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 11:25 am

Benji has gone backwards? U guys who think this are idiots. Since 2010 (last 3 years) benji has been top 3 in LBA and TA in the league last year he was #1 in try assists (37) and #2 in line break assists and #5 for line breaks by a half. Yeah he's gone backwards


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Post by happy tiger » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 11:27 am

smoking gun wrote:Again Marshall bashing Jesus, yes drop the best rated half statistically last year and the one ranked #2 on kpi stats this year. Some of you are brain dead. You would probably drop thurston to after his last 2 games
And remind me again Gun ,who had the most errors play maker wise B Marshall 37

Thurston fires in the biggest games (SOO) every game

Benji goes missing against the top sides

Comparing Thurston and Marshall any more is ridiculous

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Post by smoking gun » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 11:30 am

Really?? How many premiership grand finals or grand final qualifying games has thurston won? ZERO. Big time performer? Dramatically failed as a club performer in big games

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Post by smoking gun » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 11:34 am

Also who currently holds the rugby league World Cup? Sure isn't Australia or thurston

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Post by happy tiger » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 11:48 am

And if we picked the Qld side to represent Australia I could guarantee we would win the World Cup undefeated

The problem is we start picking those NSW nuffies (bar Gallen) and thats where the problems start

Gun you find the 2010/2011 Benji and I will genuflect him until dawn :master:

But Benji Marshall isn't the 2010/2011 player anymore and I think if you asked Benji he would agree

Robbie creates half of Benji's tries with his decision making ,Benji just throws the last ball and about half of the time gets it right

36 try assists /37 errors
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Post by Tiger_heart » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 11:50 am

Yeah, he is such a valuable / inspirational player that they took the captaincy off him this year...

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Post by BenjiMagic96 » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 11:51 am

Tiger_heart wrote:Yeah, he is such a valuable / inspirational player that they took the captaincy off him this year...
Go out there and do what he does for 10 minutes ill be kind not 80 then talk.
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Post by willow » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 12:03 pm

Benji was poor last night, no two ways about it. Fact is, we really didn't look like scoring at all and a big part of that comes down to Farah and Benji who are our go-to men. We just played far too conservatively last night and had no speed on the edges.

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Post by exarkun » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 12:08 pm

My issue with Benji is that he has the No. 6 on his back but he insists on playing halfback! We haven't had a balanced side since Prince left. Benji can't control a team because he more often than not plays for himself, his own showreel. Let Miller play as a 7, and Benji as a 6. Ever since he got his channel 9 contract Benji's game has become confused and he's very conscious when the camera is on him. Cronk, Thurston and the Reynolds boys don't have an ego and are very focused when on the paddock (one may say they have the 'eye of the tiger').

His decision making has been very poor, particularly in his kicking game. He reverts to the grubber a lot these days and they're mostly ineffectual. He selfishly chips for himself rather than using his team mates, and he's had some shocking kicks recent (eg. missed goal last night, and out on the full last week). He's best when he runs the ball, we have enough other kickers in the team.

The major issue with a player like Benji controlling a team is that his teammates don't know what he's going to do so they're always flat footed. They all stare at him because he's making it up as he goes. The good teams today have good structure to make the hard yards, and flair/speed to break tough defences. Benji's antics does nothing to use the quality of the players he has at his disposal. For all the good things he does, there are just as many brain explosions. So on balance, why do we pay him so much?

If Benji doesn't improve i'd be putting Moltzen at 6, Tedesco at 1 and Benji at 14. Farah needs to pick up his tempo as well, he's looking a little sluggish the past 4 rounds. Some of his passes have been smothered because he's been late to get rid of it.

Easiest thing Benji can do is play the number on his back. Let Jacob control the team and take the majority of the kicks, and give Benji space to run and use his centres and wingers like he used to.

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Post by Cosimo_Zaretti » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 12:47 pm

Boonboon2 wrote:Benji isn't too blame for tonight everybody's love child tedesco has been the biggest weakness responsible for 3 manly tries
Hush child, every one of those tries was Moltzen's fault. If Teddy missed the Wolfman twice, Moltzen should have been there to back him up. If Teddy dropped the ball in goal, Moltzen should have been under it already. We should cut Moltzen immediately.

Welcome to West Tigers forum, try not to think too hard.

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Post by Irvine » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 1:01 pm

Cosimo_Zaretti wrote:
Boonboon2 wrote:Benji isn't too blame for tonight everybody's love child tedesco has been the biggest weakness responsible for 3 manly tries
Hush child, every one of those tries was Moltzen's fault. If Teddy missed the Wolfman twice, Moltzen should have been there to back him up. If Teddy dropped the ball in goal, Moltzen should have been under it already. We should cut Moltzen immediately.

Welcome to West Tigers forum, try not to think too hard.
It was Tedesco's first full game playing out of position and getting a late call up. It was almost Sheens like playing him out of position with little preparation. He was 2 on 1 with Lyons and Williams and did his best, where was Moltzen ? That's right he was contemplating how to kick the ball out on the full from the kick off AGAIN.

You obviously are a specialist at not thinking too hard. Moltzen does as little as possible. He does not cover defend and does not support the ball carrier. Yes He can kick out on the full on a regular basis but who can't.

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Post by gallagher » Fri 29 Mar, 2013 9:00 pm

happy tiger wrote:And if we picked the Qld side to represent Australia I could guarantee we would win the World Cup undefeated

The problem is we start picking those NSW nuffies (bar Gallen) and thats where the problems start

Gun you find the 2010/2011 Benji and I will genuflect him until dawn :master:

But Benji Marshall isn't the 2010/2011 player anymore and I think if you asked Benji he would agree

Robbie creates half of Benji's tries with his decision making ,Benji just throws the last ball and about half of the time gets it right

36 try assists /37 errors
You mention 2010/2011 as when Benji was playing well. Doesnt that mean last year was his first bad year for a number of years? One bad year (when he was played out of position) and he's of no worth? I find that a tad harsh.
A few years ago Farah wasnt playing well enough to get ahead of Ennis. I suppose he should have been punted aswell.

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Post by hybrid_tiger » Sat 30 Mar, 2013 12:29 am

smoking gun wrote:Again Marshall bashing Jesus, yes drop the best rated half statistically last year and the one ranked #2 on kpi stats this year. Some of you are brain dead. You would probably drop thurston to after his last 2 games
Coming from the person who wants to punt Galloway when we are missing about four props, that's a bit of a laugh.

Marshall was rubbish last night. Seems he is a protected species by some.

IMO he hasn't played an outstanding game against quality opposition for a good year and a half. And his kicking game is consistently dreadful.

Yet despite this he still has to play on both sides of the field and do most of the general play kicking. Why?

Just my opinion, you're entitled to disagree without insults.

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Post by kh_canada » Sat 30 Mar, 2013 12:50 am

hybrid_tiger wrote:When is the last time Marshall played an outstanding game against quality opposition, not garbage like Parramatta and Penrith?
For once, can we just forget about the team we played. If we have a great game against "garbage teams" we automatically downgrade the performance. Have you even thought about why Benji was on last week and off tonight? The whole team as a collective were disheartened after being unable to score points. If we aren't firing it's hard for one man to be on his game, we can't expect him to carry the team and play a blinder week in and week out. Do you ever see a quality player, play a good game if the rest of the team isn't? Very rarely. And Benji wasn't atrocious, he was just unevident. He made tackles like everyone else, he passed and kicked. He made few errors and few missed tackles. If anything thats a good game for anyone. At least he attempted a chip kick to spark the team, unfortunately he came out 2nd best.
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