Official Moses Mbye signs till 2022..

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Re: Official Moses Mbye signs till 2022..

Post by The Patriot » Wed 20 Jun, 2018 8:58 pm

Love the WestsTigers wrote:
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 8:51 pm
greatodensraven wrote:
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 8:39 pm
What was Tedesco’s tackle efficiency?
For this year Tackle Efficiency 76.7% (Tedesco)

Tui is at Tackle Efficiency 72.2%
Thompson at Tackle Efficiency 76%
Kevin is 83.2%
Marsters 80.7%
MWZ 74.4%
Fanua 76.2%

Brooks Tackle Efficiency 73.6%
Benji Tackle Efficiency 75.7%

Twal Tackle Efficiency 95.4%
Matulino Tackle Efficiency 93.8%

Hold that thought !!

Nofoaluma
-TACKLES MADE 38
-MISSED TACKLES 16
-TACKLE EFFICIENCY 60.2%

Just to give an idea of how they are going this year

Trying to see if i can find 2017 Stats

People say stats dont mean much, think again
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Post by greatodensraven » Wed 20 Jun, 2018 9:05 pm

Love the WestsTigers wrote:
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 8:51 pm
greatodensraven wrote:
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 8:39 pm
What was Tedesco’s tackle efficiency?
For this year Tackle Efficiency 76.7% (Tedesco)

Tui is at Tackle Efficiency 72.2%
Thompson at Tackle Efficiency 76%
Kevin is 83.2%
Marsters 80.7%
MWZ 74.4%
Fanua 76.2%

Brooks Tackle Efficiency 73.6%
Benji Tackle Efficiency 75.7%

Twal Tackle Efficiency 95.4%
Matulino Tackle Efficiency 93.8%

Hold that thought !!

Nofoaluma
-TACKLES MADE 38
-MISSED TACKLES 16
-TACKLE EFFICIENCY 60.2%

Just to give an idea of how they are going this year

Trying to see if i can find 2017 Stats
Cheers for the research mate. I guess it all comes down to how Mbye compliments the team. Here’s hoping!

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Post by jirskyr » Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:45 pm

Love the WestsTigers wrote:
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 8:51 pm
greatodensraven wrote:
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 8:39 pm
What was Tedesco’s tackle efficiency?
For this year Tackle Efficiency 76.7% (Tedesco)

Tui is at Tackle Efficiency 72.2%
Thompson at Tackle Efficiency 76%
Kevin is 83.2%
Marsters 80.7%
MWZ 74.4%
Fanua 76.2%

Brooks Tackle Efficiency 73.6%
Benji Tackle Efficiency 75.7%

Twal Tackle Efficiency 95.4%
Matulino Tackle Efficiency 93.8%

Hold that thought !!

Nofoaluma
-TACKLES MADE 38
-MISSED TACKLES 16
-TACKLE EFFICIENCY 60.2%

Just to give an idea of how they are going this year

Trying to see if i can find 2017 Stats
I did an analysis a few years ago on fullbacks. Generally speaking I found that in teams that conceded more points, fullbacks had worse tackle efficiencies. There were some outliers, but it was also near impossible to factor in items like defending line breaks vs on-line defence, whether or not the fullback played more in line or out back, whether they played other positions during matches etc.

Two years ago Tedesco had one of the worst tackle efficiencies of all FBs, as bad as Ben Barba for Sharks. But Tedesco had somewhat of an excuse, that Tigers leaked a lot more points than Sharks did that GF year, hence he may have had to do more difficult mopping up.

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Post by Geo. » Wed 20 Jun, 2018 11:13 pm

Oh yeah we signed MBYE during the week...Good Luck in your debut in the Mighty WESTS Tigers jersey....
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Post by TCL » Wed 20 Jun, 2018 11:53 pm

The Patriot wrote:
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 8:25 pm
Love the WestsTigers wrote:
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 8:22 pm
This is the one thing that im worried about - Tackle Efficiency 66.4%
Lowest of all players in our squad
I had a good look at this during the week. its a major concern. Put it this way its worse than Thompson and Thompson just cant stop a man one on one.

My only hope is that the Dogs have been so bad that most of Mbye's tackles have had to be made in a two on one situation.

If not its going to be a long contract.
His coming out of a team that's sitting second last on the ladder. How many of those were 1 on 1 or 2 on 1.


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Post by The Patriot » Thu 21 Jun, 2018 7:31 am

TCL wrote:
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 11:53 pm
The Patriot wrote:
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 8:25 pm
Love the WestsTigers wrote:
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 8:22 pm
This is the one thing that im worried about - Tackle Efficiency 66.4%
Lowest of all players in our squad
I had a good look at this during the week. its a major concern. Put it this way its worse than Thompson and Thompson just cant stop a man one on one.

My only hope is that the Dogs have been so bad that most of Mbye's tackles have had to be made in a two on one situation.

If not its going to be a long contract.
His coming out of a team that's sitting second last on the ladder. How many of those were 1 on 1 or 2 on 1.

As suggested
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Post by yeti » Thu 21 Jun, 2018 8:33 am

GNR4LIFE wrote:
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851 wrote:
Tue 19 Jun, 2018 8:05 pm
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Tue 19 Jun, 2018 7:32 pm
Ahh they’ve tried offloading Woods. No one wants him. Mbye is the only player they were really willing to trade that another club wanted.
Parra wanted Klemmer, made an offer, the dogs rejected it, and I am sure Jackson would have attracted interest from quite a few, but the dogs chose to sell Mbye, great move. :o
Because Klemmer and Jackson were players that were off limits. Mbye was obviously not a priority. Don’t know why we’re complaining :?
That was Ennis' point. Mbye was the player who should have been off limits in preference to Klemmer and Jackson. In Ennis' view he was more important to the team and their current strengths/weaknesses.

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Post by yeti » Thu 21 Jun, 2018 8:35 am

Oh, and I certainly am not complaining - great pick up for us. FB has been an obvious problem for us all year, as has the DH role. Both 'sorted'. Now we just need the big boys up front to start kicking some butt again.

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Post by coivtny » Thu 21 Jun, 2018 8:55 am

Love the WestsTigers wrote:
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 8:51 pm
greatodensraven wrote:
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 8:39 pm
What was Tedesco’s tackle efficiency?
For this year Tackle Efficiency 76.7% (Tedesco)

Tui is at Tackle Efficiency 72.2%
Thompson at Tackle Efficiency 76%
Kevin is 83.2%
Marsters 80.7%
MWZ 74.4%
Fanua 76.2%

Brooks Tackle Efficiency 73.6%
Benji Tackle Efficiency 75.7%

Twal Tackle Efficiency 95.4%
Matulino Tackle Efficiency 93.8%

Hold that thought !!

Nofoaluma
-TACKLES MADE 38
-MISSED TACKLES 16
-TACKLE EFFICIENCY 60.2%

Just to give an idea of how they are going this year

Trying to see if i can find 2017 Stats
Interesting numbers. I don't get the calculation for Noffo, though. If tackle efficiency is 'tackles made' divided by 'tackles attempted' expressed as a percentage then his percentage would be 70.4% [38 / (38+16)]. Of course I could be wrong about the formula.

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Post by jirskyr » Thu 21 Jun, 2018 11:38 am

yeti wrote:
Thu 21 Jun, 2018 8:33 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 19 Jun, 2018 8:07 pm
851 wrote:
Tue 19 Jun, 2018 8:05 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 19 Jun, 2018 7:32 pm
Ahh they’ve tried offloading Woods. No one wants him. Mbye is the only player they were really willing to trade that another club wanted.
Parra wanted Klemmer, made an offer, the dogs rejected it, and I am sure Jackson would have attracted interest from quite a few, but the dogs chose to sell Mbye, great move. :o
Because Klemmer and Jackson were players that were off limits. Mbye was obviously not a priority. Don’t know why we’re complaining :?
That was Ennis' point. Mbye was the player who should have been off limits in preference to Klemmer and Jackson. In Ennis' view he was more important to the team and their current strengths/weaknesses.
I agree with Ennis on this one. I think Canterbury have treated Klemmer / Jackson the way they have, after the fallout from releasing Graham and Reynolds. Fans don't appear as tied to Mbye, so whilst it is potentially a weaker strategic situation, I can imagine ever worse fall-out if Josh Jackson is let go.

A counter-argument could be that Dogs are in the doldrums so might as well rip off the bandaid and make all the tough decisions at once.

I've always been of the opinion that go-forward is cheaper to pay and maintain than points-scoring. I.e. there are lots of meatheads around who can cart up a footy with reasonable ability, and there's not much skills training involved in it - just courage, toughness, stamina and size/strength. The difference between best and worst forwards isn't so large as best and worst spine players.

Certainly if the forwards are being dominated then your spine can't operate well, but there's normally 7 blokes contributing to the go-forward, so the workload should be distributed.

It really depends on what the Dogs thought about Mbye's longer-term potential. Maybe they are frustrated with what he's produced to date and think he's had his time. Maybe they feel they can spend his money better elsewhere, i.e. release an attacking footballer and buy another one.

Maybe the Tigers deal with Mbye was the most reasonable outcome; potential suitors for Klemmer or Jackson may have been very aggressive in negotiations. Tigers may have been more keen to take on Mbye than any other club, to suit our particular needs.

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