Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

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Re: Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

Post by Russell » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 10:46 am

Lozza wouldn't be telling us to let Ivan go so he would be a chance would he?

If we have Ivan signed for the next two years - fact. and won't let him go.

If Nathan has a clause (as reported by Read?) in his new contract that unless Ivan is the coach at Penriff - he has an out.

Does that mean they both end up here.

Just a thought - don't believe it myself.

Wouldn't have Madge at any price by the way.


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Post by bathursttiger » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 10:48 am

Jux wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 8:32 am
If Brent Reads get out clause tweet is correct, it's game, set and match Ivan
It virtually guarantees Ivan a contract ANYWHERE after 2020 because Nathan will be going with him.
It will suit Weststigers because his commitment to our cause can't be questioned.
If we do well next season, then we can offer an upgrade.
An odd apostrophe wouldn’t go astray.
“Brett Read’s” it changes the the whole context of how your post.
As I’m sure that there are millions of Brett’s that read Tweets.
If you haven’t seen that Tweet it makes it a bit hard to understand.
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Post by TonyTiger » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 10:49 am

bigsiro wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 10:17 am
If I may, I want to talk about us fans for a moment.

We loved Ivan but that has turned sour. He hasn't yet taken us to the finals but a vast majority of us believed in him and wanted him long term.

Over 200 pages now suggest that as fans, many of us have not only lost the love but resent him being our head coach any longer.

The meeting with Penrith (however harmless we want to believe it was) was the catalyst for this extreme about face from the fans. Silly Ivan.

Right now we are a very disillusioned mob and the club needs to step up.

Ivan has a job now to convince players that he wants to build a winning dynasty here - an impossible task, considering he wants to coach his son at Penrith and build his real winning dynasty over there.
Our position on the open market is shot and the faith of his own players here must be highly dubious. I don't see how this point is arguable. (Note: Benji's comments in this regard are moot. He is only staying for another season and he would play under any coach, surely!)

Whether or not Ivan sits or goes to Panthers is a separate question. So, let's no think of it as conceding to the Panthers just yet.

But we all need to now Ivan is a sitting duck. If he stays on this year and maybe even next year he will bear the brunt from the fans, regardless of results. Being that it will be really difficult to improve our team (based on the above) it is a matter of time before poor results follow and "Ivan Out" signs appear at games. That seems harsh, but it will happen. We are a passionate lot and we want what is best for the Tigers. We all want and need a stable coaching environment, and that cannot be achieved as long as Ivan is about.
The damage is done. I think a good proportion of the fan's appreciate it is irreparable.
As such it is a pretty simple, but really sad equation; if Tigers management want the fans back, Ivan has to go.
Good points, I’m with you.

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Post by hugh1954 » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 10:58 am

I really think we should stay strong on enforcing Ivan's contract for the next 2 years, call Gus's bluff and give him the option of hiring a new coach in 2020 or firing Ceraldo after he has enjoyed a year with his players and staff. We always only had the terms of Ivans contract so its business as usual and if Ivan does not commit for 2021 and beyond we have the time to source a new coach in our time NOT Gus's

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Post by hobbo » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 10:59 am

Pascoe should call Gus today and say
“Show me the money “

Ivan should be frog marched out of Concord this arvo !

Seriously....who wants to put up with all this crap for 2 more seasons ?!
We need mongrel ..
No more plodders !


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Post by tiger05premier » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:03 am

Swordy wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 10:30 am
tiger05premier wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 8:12 am
TYGA wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 8:03 am
Maybe the POM can confirm but I’m hearing
WT management will sit down with Cleary in the next 2 weeks to table an extension to his contract. If he refuses and commits to the Panthers in 2021 they will sign Maguire and only release Cleary under their own terms.

Tigers prepared to let Cleary sit on the sidelines for 2 years playing full freight.
Panthers will pay to get it done now I feel cash is no concern to them.

The bus has reached the depot time to get on the Maguire Metro.
On Newcastle radio this morning the sports update said Manly were deciding on whether to appoint Madge or Cartwright as new head coach

I hope if IC is going we are talking to Madge
Because I have zero trust in the media, I will take from Maguires mouth when he was interviewed a few weeks ago that Manly for him is almost no chance.
Really?

I didn't know that

Maybe a sign that we have shown interest in him if in fact we know IC is on his way out

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Post by The Patriot » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:08 am

hobbo wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 10:59 am
Pascoe should call Gus today and say
“Show me the money “

Ivan should be frog marched out of Concord this arvo !

Seriously....who wants to put up with all this crap for 2 more seasons ?!
Someone gets it.

I dont know about frog marched but if he signs with Penrith its done. There is no way back.

This club cant handle another 2 years of media drama. It really cant.

Ivan was brought in to sort out this kind of rubbish, unfortunately he has only added to it.
Its an opinion!

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Post by bigsiro » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:11 am

hobbo wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 10:59 am
Pascoe should call Gus today and say
“Show me the money “

Ivan should be frog marched out of Concord this arvo !

Seriously....who wants to put up with all this crap for 2 more seasons ?!
Not I hobbo
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Post by Balmainian » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:12 am

NT Tiger wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 8:19 am
tiger05premier wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 8:08 am
Im probably wrong with what I'm about to say and i don't like what's going on one little bit but here goes

Wouldn't it be funny if IC never ever had any intentions of ever going back to Penrith

The problem being NC sees himself as having unfinished business at Penrith with his mates

Both IC and NC work on getting the best deal they can for NC at Penrith with a clause regarding IC future

Once NC has agreed to the deal IC than recommits to tiger's

When NC goals at Penrith are reached he joins his dad at tiger's

Unlikely but would be nice just to see gus played for the fool
It is no more fanciful than some of the other propositions being put forward.
Sadly I feel the fools that are being played are us.

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Post by TonyTiger » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:14 am

hobbo wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 10:59 am
Pascoe should call Gus today and say
“Show me the money “

Ivan should be frog marched out of Concord this arvo !

Seriously....who wants to put up with all this crap for 2 more seasons ?!

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Post by tiger05premier » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:16 am

Balmainian wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:12 am
NT Tiger wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 8:19 am
tiger05premier wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 8:08 am
Im probably wrong with what I'm about to say and i don't like what's going on one little bit but here goes

Wouldn't it be funny if IC never ever had any intentions of ever going back to Penrith

The problem being NC sees himself as having unfinished business at Penrith with his mates

Both IC and NC work on getting the best deal they can for NC at Penrith with a clause regarding IC future

Once NC has agreed to the deal IC than recommits to tiger's

When NC goals at Penrith are reached he joins his dad at tiger's

Unlikely but would be nice just to see gus played for the fool
It is no more fanciful than some of the other propositions being put forward.
Sadly I feel the fools that are being played are us.
You are most likely right

We always lose out

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Post by bigsiro » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:16 am

hugh1954 wrote:
Thu 20 Sep, 2018 10:58 am
I really think we should stay strong on enforcing Ivan's contract for the next 2 years, call Gus's bluff and give him the option of hiring a new coach in 2020 or firing Ceraldo after he has enjoyed a year with his players and staff. We always only had the terms of Ivans contract so its business as usual and if Ivan does not commit for 2021 and beyond we have the time to source a new coach in our time NOT Gus's
I think that getting back at Gus in this manner only does further harm to our club.
I get the need to dig our heels in and exact vengeance, but I feel the best play would be hiring a coach who wants long term success and then provides it, especially ensuring beating Penrith every time we play them :)
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Post by Balmainian » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:25 am

Is there any chance of getting Sheens back?
Does anybody know if it’s a possibility?
With Sheens, Hodgo and Marshall and maybe Farah as assistant coaches I’d feel is the only way to secure people who would not want to leave or be bought off.
Not sure how Sheens would feel but if a few of his 05 troops with him and the new board maybe he would come back.

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Post by WT2K » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:26 am

No more plodders!
:sign:

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Post by bigsiro » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 11:32 am

Who is Tigercast and where does he/she get his/her intel?
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Post by TheDaBoss » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 12:17 pm

time will only tell tbh
:sign: + :deadhorse: = Ivan in a nutshell

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Post by THE POM » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 12:20 pm

Simply if Ivan does not agree to extend his current deal with the club he WILL NOT be the head coach for 2019. Everything should be finalized one way or the other prior to pre-season, but this is affecting recruitment big time & has already cost us one signing.

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Post by matchball » Thu 20 Sep, 2018 12:27 pm

Yossarian wrote:
Wed 19 Sep, 2018 1:33 pm
Spartan117 wrote:
Wed 19 Sep, 2018 11:54 am
Yossarian wrote:
Wed 19 Sep, 2018 11:43 am

We went 12-12 this year with our $700k half off the field pretty much all season. Surely if you're Nathan Cleary you'd think you're good for a couple more wins at least.
Yoss - Really respect your insight as you know.

Im not sure Reynolds Would have /Will add that much to us when fit next year.

Our Fwds are still not formidable enough IMO
Don't get me wrong - we have many faults. But based on results we're not far off. A 14-10 season is usually solid top 6. All I'm saying is that on that basis we're shouldn't be a no go for recruits. It's not like we need massive changes just selective tweaking.

We need back row metres. Taylor and Eisenhuth don't cut it. Some of the defence in the Souths game would have been embarrassing at Schoolboy level.

Packer started well but faded. Matulino was the opposite. Clearly we're a prop down. Twal is solid but developing. There needs to be someone else to come off the bench.

We need a centre who can defend. Fonua has the attitude but not the smarts. Marsters looked great at times but poor and his low points.

Long story short we have too many tryers and not enough dynamism.
Doesn't help the rotation playing a hooker on the bench.

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