Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

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Re: Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

Post by Nelson » Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:37 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:25 pm
Luke Lewis was asked on 360 tonight if hed have a problem if he were a WTs player and Ivan was off to Penrith.
He said it wouldnt concern him one bit..hed give 100%!
So those suggesting this could be some obstacle to recruitment Id say are barking up the wrong tree.
Because one guy who is retiring said he wouldn't care? Bit of a long bow...some won't care and some may care as a matter of ordinary human experience.


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Post by Tiger Steve » Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:42 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:25 pm
Luke Lewis was asked on 360 tonight if hed have a problem if he were a WTs player and Ivan was off to Penrith.
He said it wouldnt concern him one bit..hed give 100%!
So those suggesting this could be some obstacle to recruitment Id say are barking up the wrong tree.
Well only if we were recruiting Luke Lewis
“Peanuts! Get ya peanuts - in the shell or sugar coated!” Leichhardt memories.

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Post by TYGA » Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:47 pm

We should give Wayne Bennett 4 years Penrith will take Cleary some sort of deal can be worked out which would reduce Bennett’s cost. Wayne would leave the Broncos early with their blessing.

If you can get Bennett or Maguire we are improving otherwise even though it’s untenable Cleary is still a better coach than the rest of the field.

I hope we are smart about the coaching move losing Cleary and replacing home with a rookie we are back to JT days.

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Post by Needaname » Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:50 pm

Tiger Steve wrote:
Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:42 pm
innsaneink wrote:
Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:25 pm
Luke Lewis was asked on 360 tonight if hed have a problem if he were a WTs player and Ivan was off to Penrith.
He said it wouldnt concern him one bit..hed give 100%!
So those suggesting this could be some obstacle to recruitment Id say are barking up the wrong tree.
Well only if we were recruiting Luke Lewis
Luke Lewis never wanted to come to the tigers either way.
So it wouldn’t impact his decision one i ota as he still would have said NO!

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Post by jirskyr » Tue 25 Sep, 2018 10:18 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:25 pm
Luke Lewis was asked on 360 tonight if hed have a problem if he were a WTs player and Ivan was off to Penrith.
He said it wouldnt concern him one bit..hed give 100%!
So those suggesting this could be some obstacle to recruitment Id say are barking up the wrong tree.
Darius Boyd and Uncle Wayne, yes.

I otherwise fail to see the mass exodus of players any time a coach is sacked, or the distinct lack of signings when a coach doesn't have >2 years to run on his contract.

Not ideal to lose a popular coach but clubs appear to get by.


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Post by formerguest » Tue 25 Sep, 2018 10:34 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:25 pm
Luke Lewis was asked on 360 tonight if hed have a problem if he were a WTs player and Ivan was off to Penrith.
He said it wouldnt concern him one bit..hed give 100%!
So those suggesting this could be some obstacle to recruitment Id say are barking up the wrong tree.
Pretty sure Lewis' captain spoke if it being an issue for players just this week, so would seem to be a live point for some.

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Post by Cairnstigers » Tue 25 Sep, 2018 10:53 pm

I dont think anyone is upset that Ivan wants to coach his son even if it's at the Panthers some time in the future
But it's the Fact that Ivan is being linked to the Panthers next year
Or now in 2021
It's hard to accept so far out from 2021 when Ivan himself more or less demanded that the players either get on the bus or get off it
He didnt give them two years to decide now did he

It's just the way the whole story has erupted
And the media are playing a huge part in this

But who leaked the story and what was the motive behind the leak

It had to come from a Penrith source to try and gain an early release for Ivan
But that didnt work so now its plan B
And that is
Ciraldo as caretaker until Ivan gains a release

Next move is anyone's guess

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Post by supercoach » Tue 25 Sep, 2018 11:07 pm

Can someone PM me when something actually happens or changes. Basically 239 pages and nothing has changed since day one. Just re hashing the same thing, don’t get me wrong I have been guilty of it to, it’s a emotional topic, but would love to actually read something new in the saga

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Post by alistair » Tue 25 Sep, 2018 11:16 pm

The drama over the coach is painful after all the other drama the Club has copped, but if Ivan wants to sign for the Panthers in 2021 (or sooner) good luck to him and let's extract maximum value and keep going. At least Luke Brooks knows he can build his career at the Tigers, with NC having signed long-term for the Panthers.

If Ivan wants to go to fulfill a dream of coaching his son, then extract full value and grab another coach. All the "we expected the wooden spoon but narrowly missed the eight" talk which the media is promoting around the Tigers of late is defeatist nonsense. We should have been in the finals and dropping games to weak teams cost us. We beat the Roosters and we beat Melbourne (twice) and they're playing in the GF. We also beat Souths and the Dragons, and they were the other major contenders.

I wouldn't mind a coach trying to win the comp in 2019 instead of more talk of a rebuilding process.

From where I'm sitting the board has done a good job. IC was a good signing (even though he was fired from his last job and has a <50% win record), getting Benji and Robbie back was good work. Mbye was a great acquisition and the forward pack has a nice mix of experienced professionals and young bulls. Whatever happens, I hope the board plays it out fairly quickly so the squad and coach get an uninterrupted pre-season and we can go out aiming to go deep into the competition in 2019.

Good luck to young NC, but to be honest if I was IC I think I'd want to let the kid flourish on his own. He's making Origin and on a good contract... why upset that? Especially as Phil Gould is a narcissistic megalomaniac who can bleat all he wants about the Panthers, but was perfectly happy to take the best player of a generation away from the club to the Rorters when it suited his own purposes. Phil Gould's personal interests will always be placed before any player's, any coach's, any club's or the game's and that makes him a dangerous and unpredictable employer. That is only amplified with the father/son dynamic at a club he controls.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out but for the first time in a long time I am confident the Tigers' board will work the angles as best we can for the Tigers and bugger anyone else!

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Post by TIGERPOWER » Tue 25 Sep, 2018 11:39 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:25 pm
Luke Lewis was asked on 360 tonight if hed have a problem if he were a WTs player and Ivan was off to Penrith.
He said it wouldnt concern him one bit..hed give 100%!
So those suggesting this could be some obstacle to recruitment Id say are barking up the wrong tree.
Thanks so much for this. This really changes our perspective on it. Luke Lewis just spoke on behalf of all players coming off contract. Thank god for that. Because luke Lewis said it won’t be issue we can’t sleep easy. Thank you,

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Post by Needaname » Tue 25 Sep, 2018 11:48 pm

TIGERPOWER wrote:
Tue 25 Sep, 2018 11:37 pm
Needaname wrote:
Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:28 pm
TIGERPOWER wrote:
Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:06 pm
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Tue 25 Sep, 2018 9:00 pm


Hey Tigerpower,in your humourous post regarding what Ivan has done or hasnt done you mentioned that the players could find it difficult to play for him if he signed with penrith for 2021....they didnt find it difficult in 2018 beating some very astute and formitable teams along the way after being heralded wooden spooners at the commencement of the season...that particular player was Brooks and funnily enough he played the best he has since his debut...all knowing Ivan had only signed a 3 year contract,so why wouldnt they be professional enough to play well for him for the remainder of his contract.....I really think you do see the picture but want to keep stirring the pot for some reason...let it go...
Not stirring, as I’ve said previously I was actually one of Ivan’s vocal supporters. But in my opinion I think his integrity and judgement has been clouded by his obsession to coach his son. If he has signed with Penrith in 2021, How can you sell the dream when you’ve basically told your players your only here for the short term. Again just my take on things and happy to agree to disagree.
Um, whose clouded? You just posted ‘IF’ Ivan has signed on with Penrith 2021
Needaname it sounds like you Needalife. Do you know if Ivan has signed ????? It’s fact he met with panthers and pissed Pascoe off while he had a game to coach that week. Clouded or not clouded???? Until your mate comes out and tells us his intentions we don’t know what’s going on.
I do actually, I know that his signed but I’m not going to bore you with the details. You can do your own digging around and see what you can come up with. Let me know when you find something thanks.

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Post by willow » Wed 26 Sep, 2018 7:25 am

I've given people every chance to have their say on this topic and yet still some members can't help but make personal attacks against others, make trolling comments and widely speculate on something they have no idea about - resulting in a couple of hundred pages of meaningless crap. Well that ends now as this thread is closed until something official is announced.

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