Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

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Re: Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

Post by hobbo » Sun 09 Sep, 2018 2:19 pm

851 wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 1:06 pm
hobbo wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 9:55 am
If Ivan had any brains he’d talk Marshall into retiring.....

Marshall.....”honing his game “
:roll
Why he re-signed him I will never know, way past it
Benji’s got the gift of the gab and Ivan doesn’t know who his best 17 are ..

Say no more :lol:
We need mongrel ..
No more plodders !


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Post by innsaneink » Sun 09 Sep, 2018 2:25 pm

Pawsandclaws wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 1:41 pm
851 wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 9:56 am
Pawsandclaws wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 9:49 am
851 wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 9:27 am
So it confirms Gus lied, penrith wanted/offered him a deal for next year
Are you at all surprised with the lack of values? Strong get stronger.

I am still trying to think of another example of a club losing three above average Australian Schoolboy juniors in one off season.
West’s lost 3 internationals to Manly, another international and a player who would play origin the next year to Newtown, all at the end of the 1979 season.
Wests actually had made the top 5 for the past 2 years, and again in the 1980 season after they all left.
I do remember that now. No wonder the ill feeling between Wests and Manly. Funny, quite the opposite between Balmain and Manly with the links of Frank Stanton, Steve Martin, Ian Thompson etc.
Les Boyd, Ray Brown, John Dorahy to Manly & Tommy, Graeme O'Grady to the Jets.
I was 16 or so and really bought into the whole fibros/silvertails things as well, funny how your outlook on things changes as you mature

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Post by greatodensraven » Sun 09 Sep, 2018 3:06 pm

Cultured Bogan wrote:
Fri 07 Sep, 2018 7:35 pm
greatodensraven wrote:
Fri 07 Sep, 2018 7:33 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Fri 07 Sep, 2018 7:23 pm
greatodensraven wrote:
Fri 07 Sep, 2018 7:20 pm


How was their body language?
Haha. I asked him if it was frosty and he said it didn't look like they were upset with each other. He was seated at Pascoe's table.
Cheers CB, hope your dad had a good night!

Anything else happen worth sharing?
Lawrence wants to keep going. That was the only thing that really stood out for me.

I wasn't upset to hear that.
Good to hear. I’d give him 2 more years & outright captaincy. We could do a lot worse!

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Post by yeti » Sun 09 Sep, 2018 3:43 pm

greatodensraven wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 3:06 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Fri 07 Sep, 2018 7:35 pm
greatodensraven wrote:
Fri 07 Sep, 2018 7:33 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Fri 07 Sep, 2018 7:23 pm


Haha. I asked him if it was frosty and he said it didn't look like they were upset with each other. He was seated at Pascoe's table.
Cheers CB, hope your dad had a good night!

Anything else happen worth sharing?
Lawrence wants to keep going. That was the only thing that really stood out for me.

I wasn't upset to hear that.
Good to hear. I’d give him 2 more years & outright captaincy. We could do a lot worse!
Sounds about right.

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Sun 09 Sep, 2018 3:45 pm

Lawrence hasn’t been off contract since early 2011.


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Post by Geo. » Sun 09 Sep, 2018 6:07 pm

cochise wrote:
Sat 08 Sep, 2018 5:19 pm
jadtiger wrote:
Sat 08 Sep, 2018 1:43 pm
rex2ce wrote:
Sat 08 Sep, 2018 12:56 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Fri 07 Sep, 2018 7:35 pm


Lawrence wants to keep going. That was the only thing that really stood out for me.

I wasn't upset to hear that.
Lawrence took a financial hit to help the club, now deserves a payday
Lawrence was overpaid for many years because of his terrible injury so he would still be a mile in front financialy
He wasn't overpaid, he was worth every cent when he signed that contract, he then suffered an injury that would have ended a lot of people's career while representing the club you profess to support. Then for the good of the club took a pay cut, when he could have stayed on the big money. He has more than earned his $ from the Wests Tigers and will probably suffer greatly from his injuries later in life.
It is true to a degree he took a paycut as his deal was due to end in 2017 on over 600k in cap space that year buy extending till 2019 on 300k a year he got an extra year as he had an option at another year in his favour for blizzaro dollars thx Sheens/Humph....then at the time Rowdy took our long term players allowance so cap wise this year virtually played for free....damn good effort by him.. 2 more years
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
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OK I was wrong

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Post by Red88 Tiger » Sun 09 Sep, 2018 6:15 pm

greatodensraven wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 3:06 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Fri 07 Sep, 2018 7:35 pm
greatodensraven wrote:
Fri 07 Sep, 2018 7:33 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Fri 07 Sep, 2018 7:23 pm


Haha. I asked him if it was frosty and he said it didn't look like they were upset with each other. He was seated at Pascoe's table.
Cheers CB, hope your dad had a good night!

Anything else happen worth sharing?
Lawrence wants to keep going. That was the only thing that really stood out for me.

I wasn't upset to hear that.
Good to hear. I’d give him 2 more years & outright captaincy. We could do a lot worse!
X2 well deserved imo

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Post by gallagher » Sun 09 Sep, 2018 6:16 pm

Geo. wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 6:07 pm
cochise wrote:
Sat 08 Sep, 2018 5:19 pm
jadtiger wrote:
Sat 08 Sep, 2018 1:43 pm
rex2ce wrote:
Sat 08 Sep, 2018 12:56 pm

Lawrence took a financial hit to help the club, now deserves a payday
Lawrence was overpaid for many years because of his terrible injury so he would still be a mile in front financialy
He wasn't overpaid, he was worth every cent when he signed that contract, he then suffered an injury that would have ended a lot of people's career while representing the club you profess to support. Then for the good of the club took a pay cut, when he could have stayed on the big money. He has more than earned his $ from the Wests Tigers and will probably suffer greatly from his injuries later in life.
It is true to a degree he took a paycut as his deal was due to end in 2017 on over 600k in cap space that year buy extending till 2019 on 300k a year he got an extra year as he had an option at another year in his favour for blizzaro dollars thx Sheens/Humph....then at the time Rowdy took our long term players allowance so cap wise this year virtually played for free....damn good effort by him.. 2 more years
Rowdys on $300k? He's getting ripped off.

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Post by The P man » Sun 09 Sep, 2018 8:55 pm

Off topic, but I love Chris Lawrence. Incredible club man, intelligent, always portrays the club in a good light, still a hugely valuable player for us. Now.. back to Ivan.

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Post by Geo. » Mon 10 Sep, 2018 2:14 am

gallagher wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 6:16 pm
Geo. wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 6:07 pm
cochise wrote:
Sat 08 Sep, 2018 5:19 pm
jadtiger wrote:
Sat 08 Sep, 2018 1:43 pm


Lawrence was overpaid for many years because of his terrible injury so he would still be a mile in front financialy
He wasn't overpaid, he was worth every cent when he signed that contract, he then suffered an injury that would have ended a lot of people's career while representing the club you profess to support. Then for the good of the club took a pay cut, when he could have stayed on the big money. He has more than earned his $ from the Wests Tigers and will probably suffer greatly from his injuries later in life.
It is true to a degree he took a paycut as his deal was due to end in 2017 on over 600k in cap space that year buy extending till 2019 on 300k a year he got an extra year as he had an option at another year in his favour for blizzaro dollars thx Sheens/Humph....then at the time Rowdy took our long term players allowance so cap wise this year virtually played for free....damn good effort by him.. 2 more years
Rowdys on $300k? He's getting ripped off.
For Cap purposes even less...i remember when a section in high polictcal places and liked toast reckoned he wasnt worth minimum wage so i guess he's getting overs.
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
happy tiger wrote:
Thu 25 Oct, 2018 12:17 am

OK I was wrong

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Post by tigerap » Mon 10 Sep, 2018 6:12 am

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 9:35 am
851 wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 9:27 am
So it confirms Gus lied, penrith wanted/offered him a deal for next year
I thought that was already proven when he told Weedler, that they had no plan B if Ivan doesn’t sign.
What happened to the 12 applications he got overnight after he sacked Griffen?... :roll ....I suppose they never existed, just another Gus media manipulation statement

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Mon 10 Sep, 2018 7:31 am

WT2K wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 1:39 pm
851 wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 1:06 pm
hobbo wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 9:55 am
If Ivan had any brains he’d talk Marshall into retiring.....

Marshall.....”honing his game “
:roll
Why he re-signed him I will never know, way past it
300 game milestone is my guess. Same with Robbie.
If he’s past it , there’s a few more further past it than him

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Post by 2041 » Mon 10 Sep, 2018 8:19 am

gallagher wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 6:16 pm
Geo. wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 6:07 pm
cochise wrote:
Sat 08 Sep, 2018 5:19 pm
jadtiger wrote:
Sat 08 Sep, 2018 1:43 pm


Lawrence was overpaid for many years because of his terrible injury so he would still be a mile in front financialy
He wasn't overpaid, he was worth every cent when he signed that contract, he then suffered an injury that would have ended a lot of people's career while representing the club you profess to support. Then for the good of the club took a pay cut, when he could have stayed on the big money. He has more than earned his $ from the Wests Tigers and will probably suffer greatly from his injuries later in life.
It is true to a degree he took a paycut as his deal was due to end in 2017 on over 600k in cap space that year buy extending till 2019 on 300k a year he got an extra year as he had an option at another year in his favour for blizzaro dollars thx Sheens/Humph....then at the time Rowdy took our long term players allowance so cap wise this year virtually played for free....damn good effort by him.. 2 more years
Rowdys on $300k? He's getting ripped off.
If memory serves, the club "extended" him basically as a means of spreading out the money he was already owed at a time where he was really struggling to meet first-grade standard. He wasn't yet a worthwhile back rower but was already clearly too slow to play in the backs - it was basically a case of the club preferring to take a $300k cap hit for five years than a $500k one for three (not saying those were the actual numbers, BTW). And Lawrence obviously thought this would be his last contract whatever the length so wasn't fussed (and maybe there's an incentive around something after he finishes up or whatever).

In the end it seems to have worked out well for the club as Lawrence has had something of a second wind in the back row - much against almost every expectation going back a couple of years. TBH if he was off contract now it's hard to imagine anyone throwing a huge deal at him anyway, but having a perfectly serviceable player on a relatively small deal can't be bad for the Tigers.

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Post by TYGA » Tue 11 Sep, 2018 8:13 pm

https://www.9now.com.au/60-minutes/rewi ... r0yz/sport

Bring back Roy Masters Harden these blokes up.

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Post by jadtiger » Tue 11 Sep, 2018 8:19 pm

TYGA wrote:
Tue 11 Sep, 2018 8:13 pm
https://www.9now.com.au/60-minutes/rewi ... r0yz/sport

Bring back Roy Masters Harden these blokes up.
Pass

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Post by sideline eye » Tue 11 Sep, 2018 10:22 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 2:25 pm
Pawsandclaws wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 1:41 pm
851 wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 9:56 am
Pawsandclaws wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 9:49 am


Are you at all surprised with the lack of values? Strong get stronger.

I am still trying to think of another example of a club losing three above average Australian Schoolboy juniors in one off season.
West’s lost 3 internationals to Manly, another international and a player who would play origin the next year to Newtown, all at the end of the 1979 season.
Wests actually had made the top 5 for the past 2 years, and again in the 1980 season after they all left.
I do remember that now. No wonder the ill feeling between Wests and Manly. Funny, quite the opposite between Balmain and Manly with the links of Frank Stanton, Steve Martin, Ian Thompson etc.
Les Boyd, Ray Brown, John Dorahy to Manly & Tommy, Graeme O'Grady to the Jets.
I was 16 or so and really bought into the whole fibros/silvertails things as well, funny how your outlook on things changes as you mature
My outlook on this particular thing hasn't changed one iota; Manly are still No.1 on my hate list.

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Post by Russell » Tue 11 Sep, 2018 10:27 pm

TYGA wrote:
Tue 11 Sep, 2018 8:13 pm
https://www.9now.com.au/60-minutes/rewi ... r0yz/sport

Bring back Roy Masters Harden these blokes up.
No thanks

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Post by The Patriot » Tue 11 Sep, 2018 10:28 pm

tigerap wrote:
Mon 10 Sep, 2018 6:12 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 9:35 am
851 wrote:
Sun 09 Sep, 2018 9:27 am
So it confirms Gus lied, penrith wanted/offered him a deal for next year
I thought that was already proven when he told Weedler, that they had no plan B if Ivan doesn’t sign.
What happened to the 12 applications he got overnight after he sacked Griffen?... :roll ....I suppose they never existed, just another Gus media manipulation statement

Thats a good point. where did those 12 applications go :)
Its an opinion!

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