Ivan Cleary - THREAD..

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Post by AnnandaleTiger » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 7:10 pm

Cleary catches up with Panthers chairman again

The whispers about Ivan Cleary making an early exit from the Wests Tigers won't go away. And this photo of the Tigers coach talking to Penrith chairman Dave O'Neill in the corporate boxes of ANZ Stadium prior to the Panthers-Warriors elimination final only added fuel to the fire.

If you look closely they weren't in the same box. O'Neill was in the NRL suite while Cleary was a guest of real estate giants Domain.

Speaking of real estate, it's interesting to note Cleary's Leonay home, which it was claimed O'Neill was interested in buying and was the reason they met up two months ago, is no longer on the market. Let the conspiracies begin!


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Post by Pawsandclaws » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 7:15 pm

AnnandaleTiger wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 7:10 pm
Cleary catches up with Panthers chairman again

The whispers about Ivan Cleary making an early exit from the Wests Tigers won't go away. And this photo of the Tigers coach talking to Penrith chairman Dave O'Neill in the corporate boxes of ANZ Stadium prior to the Panthers-Warriors elimination final only added fuel to the fire.

If you look closely they weren't in the same box. O'Neill was in the NRL suite while Cleary was a guest of real estate giants Domain.

Speaking of real estate, it's interesting to note Cleary's Leonay home, which it was claimed O'Neill was interested in buying and was the reason they met up two months ago, is no longer on the market. Let the conspiracies begin!
Could also have something to do with the state of the real estate market.

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Post by AnnandaleTiger » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 7:15 pm

Michael Chammas article, so probably dribble

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Post by Nucky Thompson » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 8:10 pm

Pawsandclaws wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 7:15 pm
AnnandaleTiger wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 7:10 pm
Cleary catches up with Panthers chairman again

The whispers about Ivan Cleary making an early exit from the Wests Tigers won't go away. And this photo of the Tigers coach talking to Penrith chairman Dave O'Neill in the corporate boxes of ANZ Stadium prior to the Panthers-Warriors elimination final only added fuel to the fire.

If you look closely they weren't in the same box. O'Neill was in the NRL suite while Cleary was a guest of real estate giants Domain.

Speaking of real estate, it's interesting to note Cleary's Leonay home, which it was claimed O'Neill was interested in buying and was the reason they met up two months ago, is no longer on the market. Let the conspiracies begin!
Could also have something to do with the state of the real estate market.
Cool know where to focus our attention when he leaves.

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Post by Muffstar » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 8:17 pm

Pawsandclaws wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 7:15 pm
AnnandaleTiger wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 7:10 pm
Cleary catches up with Panthers chairman again

The whispers about Ivan Cleary making an early exit from the Wests Tigers won't go away. And this photo of the Tigers coach talking to Penrith chairman Dave O'Neill in the corporate boxes of ANZ Stadium prior to the Panthers-Warriors elimination final only added fuel to the fire.

If you look closely they weren't in the same box. O'Neill was in the NRL suite while Cleary was a guest of real estate giants Domain.

Speaking of real estate, it's interesting to note Cleary's Leonay home, which it was claimed O'Neill was interested in buying and was the reason they met up two months ago, is no longer on the market. Let the conspiracies begin!
Could also have something to do with the state of the real estate market.
21st Birthday present to Nathan, so he does not have to travel too far to training.


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Post by jirskyr » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:12 pm

AnnandaleTiger wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 7:10 pm
Cleary catches up with Panthers chairman again

The whispers about Ivan Cleary making an early exit from the Wests Tigers won't go away. And this photo of the Tigers coach talking to Penrith chairman Dave O'Neill in the corporate boxes of ANZ Stadium prior to the Panthers-Warriors elimination final only added fuel to the fire.

If you look closely they weren't in the same box. O'Neill was in the NRL suite while Cleary was a guest of real estate giants Domain.

Speaking of real estate, it's interesting to note Cleary's Leonay home, which it was claimed O'Neill was interested in buying and was the reason they met up two months ago, is no longer on the market. Let the conspiracies begin!
Gee whiz Ivan doesn't talk to his mates at the footy when his team is no longer in finals contention and his son is playing, does he?

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Post by TYGA » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:15 pm

There are no conspiracies Cleary will be back at Penrith in 2021 and Nathan will sign there.
He will leave us in a better position than he started and we move on. He will resign Brooks, Marsters and bring in a few players.
We will be stronger and in a position to probably upgrade the coach.

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Post by happy tiger » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:21 pm

TYGA wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:15 pm
There are no conspiracies Cleary will be back at Penrith in 2021 and Nathan will sign there.
He will leave us in a better position than he started and we move on. He will resign Brooks, Marsters and bring in a few players.
We will be stronger and in a position to probably upgrade the coach.
IF that is the case , are we better off moving NOW and getting the best coach available NOW instead of seeing them all pinched off the market and being left with a lesser quality option at that stage

It's a tough question but it needs serious looking at and serious answers

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Post by The Patriot » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:24 pm

Even ill admit we are going around in circles now.

All i know is that i trust Justin Pascoe to do the right thing by this club not his mate Ivan.Whatever needs to be done, if it needs to be done.
Its an opinion!

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Post by innsaneink » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:34 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:21 pm
TYGA wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:15 pm
There are no conspiracies Cleary will be back at Penrith in 2021 and Nathan will sign there.
He will leave us in a better position than he started and we move on. He will resign Brooks, Marsters and bring in a few players.
We will be stronger and in a position to probably upgrade the coach.
IF that is the case , are we better off moving NOW and getting the best coach available NOW instead of seeing them all pinched off the market and being left with a lesser quality option at that stage

It's a tough question but it needs serious looking at and serious answers
Look...just let Ivan complete his ground work, weve a season and a half invested already...lets allow him to make us an even more attractive proposition in a few years time if he does leave....were improving I dont see that changing too drastically too soon
Plus...there may be better available in future...we just dont know

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Post by will1999 » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:46 pm

almost 200 pages

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Post by happy tiger » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:55 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:34 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:21 pm
TYGA wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:15 pm
There are no conspiracies Cleary will be back at Penrith in 2021 and Nathan will sign there.
He will leave us in a better position than he started and we move on. He will resign Brooks, Marsters and bring in a few players.
We will be stronger and in a position to probably upgrade the coach.
IF that is the case , are we better off moving NOW and getting the best coach available NOW instead of seeing them all pinched off the market and being left with a lesser quality option at that stage

It's a tough question but it needs serious looking at and serious answers
Look...just let Ivan complete his ground work, weve a season and a half invested already...lets allow him to make us an even more attractive proposition in a few years time if he does leave....were improving I dont see that changing too drastically too soon
Plus...there may be better available in future...we just dont know
I'm just putting it out their Ink

I still think it is way too early for IC and NC to link as player and coach , it looks great from the outside but whether it will work is another matter altogether

I think they would be far better off leaving it until a later stage , possibly even Nathan's last contract

My only other concern if IC leaves when do we take his power at the recruitment and retention table off him ??

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Post by Nucky Thompson » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 10:13 pm

Muffstar wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 8:17 pm
Pawsandclaws wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 7:15 pm
AnnandaleTiger wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 7:10 pm
Cleary catches up with Panthers chairman again

The whispers about Ivan Cleary making an early exit from the Wests Tigers won't go away. And this photo of the Tigers coach talking to Penrith chairman Dave O'Neill in the corporate boxes of ANZ Stadium prior to the Panthers-Warriors elimination final only added fuel to the fire.

If you look closely they weren't in the same box. O'Neill was in the NRL suite while Cleary was a guest of real estate giants Domain.

Speaking of real estate, it's interesting to note Cleary's Leonay home, which it was claimed O'Neill was interested in buying and was the reason they met up two months ago, is no longer on the market. Let the conspiracies begin!
Could also have something to do with the state of the real estate market.
21st Birthday present to Nathan, so he does not have to travel too far to training.

Who wouldn't want to live in penrith rather than northern beaches

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Post by TonyTiger » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 11:20 pm

Nucky Thompson wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 10:13 pm
Muffstar wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 8:17 pm
Pawsandclaws wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 7:15 pm
AnnandaleTiger wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 7:10 pm
Cleary catches up with Panthers chairman again

The whispers about Ivan Cleary making an early exit from the Wests Tigers won't go away. And this photo of the Tigers coach talking to Penrith chairman Dave O'Neill in the corporate boxes of ANZ Stadium prior to the Panthers-Warriors elimination final only added fuel to the fire.

If you look closely they weren't in the same box. O'Neill was in the NRL suite while Cleary was a guest of real estate giants Domain.

Speaking of real estate, it's interesting to note Cleary's Leonay home, which it was claimed O'Neill was interested in buying and was the reason they met up two months ago, is no longer on the market. Let the conspiracies begin!
Could also have something to do with the state of the real estate market.
21st Birthday present to Nathan, so he does not have to travel too far to training.

Who wouldn't want to live in penrith rather than northern beaches
Especially with all the plane noise in 10 years time, from Badgery’s Creek!

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Post by TYGA » Wed 12 Sep, 2018 11:41 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:21 pm
TYGA wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:15 pm
There are no conspiracies Cleary will be back at Penrith in 2021 and Nathan will sign there.
He will leave us in a better position than he started and we move on. He will resign Brooks, Marsters and bring in a few players.
We will be stronger and in a position to probably upgrade the coach.
IF that is the case , are we better off moving NOW and getting the best coach available NOW instead of seeing them all pinched off the market and being left with a lesser quality option at that stage

It's a tough question but it needs serious looking at and serious answers
No definitely not Cleary can attract talent even for 2-3 years. We should be a better team by then maybe better facilities someone within may be the option but we would be more attractive to coaches by then.
WT are trending upwards off the field.

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Post by tigertye » Thu 13 Sep, 2018 12:04 am

happy tiger wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:21 pm
TYGA wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:15 pm
There are no conspiracies Cleary will be back at Penrith in 2021 and Nathan will sign there.
He will leave us in a better position than he started and we move on. He will resign Brooks, Marsters and bring in a few players.
We will be stronger and in a position to probably upgrade the coach.
IF that is the case , are we better off moving NOW and getting the best coach available NOW instead of seeing them all pinched off the market and being left with a lesser quality option at that stage

It's a tough question but it needs serious looking at and serious answers
It’s a million dollar question happy.

1. Ivan sticks around and see’s out his contract, eventually signing on with Penrith. Does the job to the best of his ability and does his time amicably. Makes some progress, signs a couple of decent players and maybe we play some finals footy before he leaves to Penrith?

2. Ivan seems like the sort of coach who players like to play for. Could we see Ivan line up a few of our up and comers and his favourites and take them with him to Penrith? Could leaving him in charge or recruitment/retention end up being a conflict of interest?

3. His mind is elsewhere and the results follow. We end up having to flick him for poor performance and be financially worse off paying for a sacked coach and also have to pay a replacement?

4. Ivan re-signs and all the talk of him leaving goes out the window?

5. We let him go and achieve some form of compensation in doing so. Either player or financial compensation? We find a replacement now before the new season starts?

I think a inexperienced coach would fail.

Toovey is still around. There’s talk around Barrett, Flanagan, Arthur all moving on. Daley/Walters may consider a permanent role.

In my opinion the only coach available who could really keep us on the improve is Michael Maguire should Cleary leave.

The problem with waiting around for the answer is that this would surely be on players minds when it came to recruitment and a question most players would want some stability on.

Yes, we’re a proud club and expect Ivan to honour his contract. Yes, we won’t be pushed into releasing our coach....that’s all well and good, but by delaying the potentially inevitable are we actually worse off?

Could a a coach like Maguire come in and do the same job or better? We get some sort of compensation as an added incentive? Or do we risk missing out on a quality coach that’s available now hoping Cleary re-signs with us and we end up with a dud when Cleary walks?

Those are all the potential options I can see playing out. I just hope and trust that Pascoe and Go make the right call.

Myself. If he wants to go, get compensated and let him go. He’ll lose a tonne of credibility and go back to being Gould’s puppet. Hire Maguire and the show goes on. Experienced, tough, respected by players which will ease recruitment concerns, won a premiership and proven to get results quickly.

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Post by Snake » Thu 13 Sep, 2018 6:37 am

tigertye wrote:
Thu 13 Sep, 2018 12:04 am
happy tiger wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:21 pm
TYGA wrote:
Wed 12 Sep, 2018 9:15 pm
There are no conspiracies Cleary will be back at Penrith in 2021 and Nathan will sign there.
He will leave us in a better position than he started and we move on. He will resign Brooks, Marsters and bring in a few players.
We will be stronger and in a position to probably upgrade the coach.
IF that is the case , are we better off moving NOW and getting the best coach available NOW instead of seeing them all pinched off the market and being left with a lesser quality option at that stage

It's a tough question but it needs serious looking at and serious answers
It’s a million dollar question happy.

1. Ivan sticks around and see’s out his contract, eventually signing on with Penrith. Does the job to the best of his ability and does his time amicably. Makes some progress, signs a couple of decent players and maybe we play some finals footy before he leaves to Penrith?

2. Ivan seems like the sort of coach who players like to play for. Could we see Ivan line up a few of our up and comers and his favourites and take them with him to Penrith? Could leaving him in charge or recruitment/retention end up being a conflict of interest?

3. His mind is elsewhere and the results follow. We end up having to flick him for poor performance and be financially worse off paying for a sacked coach and also have to pay a replacement?

4. Ivan re-signs and all the talk of him leaving goes out the window?

5. We let him go and achieve some form of compensation in doing so. Either player or financial compensation? We find a replacement now before the new season starts?

I think a inexperienced coach would fail.

Toovey is still around. There’s talk around Barrett, Flanagan, Arthur all moving on. Daley/Walters may consider a permanent role.

In my opinion the only coach available who could really keep us on the improve is Michael Maguire should Cleary leave.

The problem with waiting around for the answer is that this would surely be on players minds when it came to recruitment and a question most players would want some stability on.

Yes, we’re a proud club and expect Ivan to honour his contract. Yes, we won’t be pushed into releasing our coach....that’s all well and good, but by delaying the potentially inevitable are we actually worse off?

Could a a coach like Maguire come in and do the same job or better? We get some sort of compensation as an added incentive? Or do we risk missing out on a quality coach that’s available now hoping Cleary re-signs with us and we end up with a dud when Cleary walks?

Those are all the potential options I can see playing out. I just hope and trust that Pascoe and Go make the right call.

Myself. If he wants to go, get compensated and let him go. He’ll lose a tonne of credibility and go back to being Gould’s puppet. Hire Maguire and the show goes on. Experienced, tough, respected by players which will ease recruitment concerns, won a premiership and proven to get results quickly.
Your last paragraph is spot on ,I do not see the fascination about Cleary and the conjecture if he stays or moves on in two seasons .
The ball is in the clubs court here ..if he wants out good get the compo and go after Maguire,to be frank the capitulation of the team in the last month of the competition when there was a real chance to make the finals really showed to me Cleary is not the coach to take the team to the next level.

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Post by supercoach » Thu 13 Sep, 2018 7:59 am

Coaches like players are all replaceable. So when the time comes there will be plenty of people keen to take on the role. IMO I would be looking at the next generation of coaches rather than the tried and trusted. The bloke at Souths has done a brilliant job this year and last year he was a nobody.

In a way I hope the Panthers get knocked out this weekend so all this can be put to bed as you would think they would announce what coaching direction they are taking.

Anyway if he stays, and he is long odds he will, two years is a lifetime in the NRL and anything could happen. So I would not be worrying about what our coaching situation is two years down the track

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