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Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Mon 27 Mar, 2017 10:18 pm
by happy tiger
ALX22 wrote:
Mon 27 Mar, 2017 10:13 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Thu 16 Feb, 2017 11:22 pm
Looks like our juniors will lose 3 sides this year Under 16 ,Under 17's and Under 14's

Yet the Under 6's at our club had over 36 kids and will field 5 teams

Do any other junior clubs across the country have the same issues that they know of ??
This problem has been going on for many years with these age groups. Has some of your key players left to join bigger clubs???

Not sure how to fix the problem, but obviously the hierarchy needs to sit down with all clubs/parents to determine a suitable arrangement.
Traditionally Brothers have been a strong club , they made the GF in every grade in Juniors bar my boys

No one has left the club , we've been lucky in a sense last two weeks have been rained out , we may have had to forfeit on the weekend

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Mon 15 May, 2017 12:35 am
by Doc Tiger
Joondalup Giants under 16s here have 29 registered players here but only one team as there's always around 5 or so that are either sick or can't get to games due to distance they have to travel, or work schedule of parents etc. Our neighbouring club North Beach under 16s have 8 or 9 registered. A more centrally controlled registration system might need to be considered. Maybe maximum number to be allocated to each team to ensure a more even spread. I don't know, surely some clever people out there can work something out.
A trial against the Fremantle roosters 2 weeks ago ended in a 20 all draw and today's game finished at 22 all with our goal kicker missing a conversion from in front after the siren. Both great games....bring on the rest of the season.

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Mon 15 May, 2017 12:45 am
by Doc Tiger
A fantastic show by the under 14s freo roosters boys today. They were far too strong for their competitors and we're up by 30 odd. The tigers got one back late with a great solo try. Then the roosters kicked off and the ball was picked up by a kid who was obviously way out of his depth but definitely part of his team. He ran straight through the defence and the roosters chased him all the way to the try line, but never getting close. The young fella put it down and his team mates all celebrated like they'd won a gf. The try scorer (we think) was challenged in some way as the defensive lapse was obviously put on. Brilliant show Roosters. Very, very impressive.

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Sun 31 Dec, 2017 12:52 am
by happy tiger
Boys start training next Thursday arvo

New coach , few new players from rugby

Just wish I could work out a way to have work and football mix for the young bloke and coach him for at least one year

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Sat 17 Feb, 2018 6:48 pm
by goldcoast tiger
Not good news from the RL this week. Nothing in the wind about the inequity of size and experience in the lower ages. Rugby is already addressing the problem so is the Afl , or so I’m told. But nothing from the ostriches wlth their heads in the sand the GOod Ole RL.

Our club on the GC (one of the biggest) is starting to feel the loss of 10, 11, and 12 teams, easily the biggest problem is the increase of the bigger and in some cases older, kids and the fear of parents for their kids.
If they don’t wake up soon, junior league is going to be feeling the backlash of a lot of mums and Dads
The coming discussions about concussion won’t be helping us either,
I know that kids are really safe in the young ages, they would be just as likely to get a bruise or two in the playground ,

Buy we have to fight the perception in the parents minds.
There’s an add for kids from the RL on TV which does nothing to allay any parents fears, As well as being the most boring add for kids sport that I’ve ever seen.
Whose running the asylum at the Nrl, get some money and decent people into the junior clubs, or we will continue to lose players,
As well as that Stop kids from playing UNLESs they have a legit Birth Certificate.
There aresome families who look at rep teams as a way into a better family future.and anything goes to get their kids there is good, some of their birthdays are loose at the least,
But the clubs are too busy getting their rego money in,

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Fri 23 Feb, 2018 11:33 am
by happy tiger
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 6:48 pm
Not good news from the RL this week. Nothing in the wind about the inequity of size and experience in the lower ages. Rugby is already addressing the problem so is the Afl , or so I’m told. But nothing from the ostriches wlth their heads in the sand the GOod Ole RL.

Our club on the GC (one of the biggest) is starting to feel the loss of 10, 11, and 12 teams, easily the biggest problem is the increase of the bigger and in some cases older, kids and the fear of parents for their kids.
If they don’t wake up soon, junior league is going to be feeling the backlash of a lot of mums and Dads
The coming discussions about concussion won’t be helping us either,
I know that kids are really safe in the young ages, they would be just as likely to get a bruise or two in the playground ,

Buy we have to fight the perception in the parents minds.
There’s an add for kids from the RL on TV which does nothing to allay any parents fears, As well as being the most boring add for kids sport that I’ve ever seen.
Whose running the asylum at the Nrl, get some money and decent people into the junior clubs, or we will continue to lose players,
As well as that Stop kids from playing UNLESs they have a legit Birth Certificate.
There aresome families who look at rep teams as a way into a better family future.and anything goes to get their kids there is good, some of their birthdays are loose at the least,
But the clubs are too busy getting their rego money in,
The weight issue is being looked at GCT , the NSWRL have a committee at the moment I believe

The hardest problem is working out what to do with the big kids

Many are just gentle giants , but you stick them up against kids 4 years older and they will get eaten alive

And what happens to the really talented little kids that don't have growth spurts until 14-15 , they play under 9/10's and go nowhere skill wise for a few years

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Sat 24 Feb, 2018 12:05 am
by goldcoast tiger
happy tiger wrote:
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 11:33 am
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 6:48 pm
Not good news from the RL this week. Nothing in the wind about the inequity of size and experience in the lower ages. Rugby is already addressing the problem so is the Afl , or so I’m told. But nothing from the ostriches wlth their heads in the sand the GOod Ole RL.

Our club on the GC (one of the biggest) is starting to feel the loss of 10, 11, and 12 teams, easily the biggest problem is the increase of the bigger and in some cases older, kids and the fear of parents for their kids.
If they don’t wake up soon, junior league is going to be feeling the backlash of a lot of mums and Dads
The coming discussions about concussion won’t be helping us either,
I know that kids are really safe in the young ages, they would be just as likely to get a bruise or two in the playground ,

Buy we have to fight the perception in the parents minds.
There’s an add for kids from the RL on TV which does nothing to allay any parents fears, As well as being the most boring add for kids sport that I’ve ever seen.
Whose running the asylum at the Nrl, get some money and decent people into the junior clubs, or we will continue to lose players,
As well as that Stop kids from playing UNLESs they have a legit Birth Certificate.
There aresome families who look at rep teams as a way into a better family future.and anything goes to get their kids there is good, some of their birthdays are loose at the least,
But the clubs are too busy getting their rego money in,
The weight issue is being looked at GCT , the NSWRL have a committee at the moment I believe

The hardest problem is working out what to do with the big kids

Many are just gentle giants , but you stick them up against kids 4 years older and they will get eaten alive

And what happens to the really talented little kids that don't have growth spurts until 14-15 , they play under 9/10's and go nowhere skill wise for a few years
Happy,
Last year,I was put in touch with the bloke who was organising the push for a dual competition for the NSW League ,and he sent me the information that he had gathered about the system that Penrith and some others had tried experimentally last year, I didn’t read it all as I’d got it for my son to have a look at it for our club and Coaches,

He was confident that there would be some changes. This year.
. I recently heard that a big carnival was intended for around this time this year, but most of the clubs that had shown interest last season had pulled out; so nsw are back to scratch.,

I know the difficulties involving the big difference in sizes and weight. , but in the proposed competition players could not go up more than two weight divisions,, and the more experienced or skilful kids could continue to remain in their team if they wanted to.
It was a dual competition one graded and one Open, is probably the dest way to describe it.

Basically it the same system that Nathan Cleary has said publicly that it was the only thing that kept him in the game. Because he wasn’t going to play in an open Division
There has to be something done to make the game safer for the younger , smaller kids or we will lose them.

One alarming Development on the Coast was that in one club here this season , theygave out to all kids that signed up, a paper to put down which divion of their age did they want to play,
Hardly any of those kids didn’t want to play DIV 1. The number of them who did could be counted on one hand.
Despite the fact that there was enough for about 4teams and almost enough rep players to fill a team on their own
Times have changed Hap some of its good, some not so good,
But unless the RL stop having meetings and come up with a solution there’s going to be a drain away from the game. There already is in some places

The Gold Coast is an extremely strong area in RL but when you have a couple of kids that are each the size of the average garden shed , in an under 11 team , parents are going to drag their kids away
I don’t pretend to know the answer, but Nathan Cleary is a pretty good advertisement for the kiwi dual competitions.

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Sat 24 Feb, 2018 12:44 am
by formerguest
My young fella has decided to sign up to play RL for the first time this season, so will be back around junior league regularly again for the first time in many years.

He is tall and skinny, so will most likely struggle a bit against the really big kids in some areas, but they will have no hope of catching him with a bit of space, so swings and roundabouts for mine.

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Sat 24 Feb, 2018 12:58 am
by happy tiger
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 12:05 am
happy tiger wrote:
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 11:33 am
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sat 17 Feb, 2018 6:48 pm
Not good news from the RL this week. Nothing in the wind about the inequity of size and experience in the lower ages. Rugby is already addressing the problem so is the Afl , or so I’m told. But nothing from the ostriches wlth their heads in the sand the GOod Ole RL.

Our club on the GC (one of the biggest) is starting to feel the loss of 10, 11, and 12 teams, easily the biggest problem is the increase of the bigger and in some cases older, kids and the fear of parents for their kids.
If they don’t wake up soon, junior league is going to be feeling the backlash of a lot of mums and Dads
The coming discussions about concussion won’t be helping us either,
I know that kids are really safe in the young ages, they would be just as likely to get a bruise or two in the playground ,

Buy we have to fight the perception in the parents minds.
There’s an add for kids from the RL on TV which does nothing to allay any parents fears, As well as being the most boring add for kids sport that I’ve ever seen.
Whose running the asylum at the Nrl, get some money and decent people into the junior clubs, or we will continue to lose players,
As well as that Stop kids from playing UNLESs they have a legit Birth Certificate.
There aresome families who look at rep teams as a way into a better family future.and anything goes to get their kids there is good, some of their birthdays are loose at the least,
But the clubs are too busy getting their rego money in,
The weight issue is being looked at GCT , the NSWRL have a committee at the moment I believe

The hardest problem is working out what to do with the big kids

Many are just gentle giants , but you stick them up against kids 4 years older and they will get eaten alive

And what happens to the really talented little kids that don't have growth spurts until 14-15 , they play under 9/10's and go nowhere skill wise for a few years
Happy,
Last year,I was put in touch with the bloke who was organising the push for a dual competition for the NSW League ,and he sent me the information that he had gathered about the system that Penrith and some others had tried experimentally last year, I didn’t read it all as I’d got it for my son to have a look at it for our club and Coaches,

He was confident that there would be some changes. This year.
. I recently heard that a big carnival was intended for around this time this year, but most of the clubs that had shown interest last season had pulled out; so nsw are back to scratch.,

I know the difficulties involving the big difference in sizes and weight. , but in the proposed competition players could not go up more than two weight divisions,, and the more experienced or skilful kids could continue to remain in their team if they wanted to.
It was a dual competition one graded and one Open, is probably the dest way to describe it.

Basically it the same system that Nathan Cleary has said publicly that it was the only thing that kept him in the game. Because he wasn’t going to play in an open Division
There has to be something done to make the game safer for the younger , smaller kids or we will lose them.

One alarming Development on the Coast was that in one club here this season , theygave out to all kids that signed up, a paper to put down which divion of their age did they want to play,
Hardly any of those kids didn’t want to play DIV 1. The number of them who did could be counted on one hand.
Despite the fact that there was enough for about 4teams and almost enough rep players to fill a team on their own
Times have changed Hap some of its good, some not so good,
But unless the RL stop having meetings and come up with a solution there’s going to be a drain away from the game. There already is in some places

The Gold Coast is an extremely strong area in RL but when you have a couple of kids that are each the size of the average garden shed , in an under 11 team , parents are going to drag their kids away
I don’t pretend to know the answer, but Nathan Cleary is a pretty good advertisement for the kiwi dual competitions.
Not arguing with you , GCT , but the youngers bigger kids need to have a limit as well

As I said a few years ago at the 1st JH cup that EB played in Noosa had a giant young fella easily 6 ft 2 and probably around 100kgs in under 12

Nicest kid as well , remember he came over when one of our players made a terrific try saving one on one tackle in absolutely bucketing rain and shook his hand and said great tackle after the game

You stick him in Under 15's and they'd tear him apart physically and mentally

Next question is when do you end it Under 18 ??

Then when do the smaller kids get a chance to test themselves against bigger kids , when they are 18 ??

School comps are dead , you'd never get the numbers together because of weights divisions

Things are different , AFL wasn't a concern 40 years ago , Football wasn't a concern 40 years ago

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Sat 24 Feb, 2018 7:24 pm
by goldcoast tiger
Same here Happy, i m not arguing about anything just trying to let you know about the situation up here and about one group in NSW attempts to come up with a solution .

I havent explained exactly how the proposal worked, but it touches on some of your concerns .

A bigger player can ONLY go up a maximum of two age divisions, and actually most would only go up One division. So the example that you spoke of, could not occur.
An u/12 kid could not go too u/15's.
The proposal was for Two competitions to run competitions in parallel.

One under under the new rules(and there would be some rule changes, but i cant remember exactly what)
And one run under the normal competitions that we now have.
It would be just another division

Take the u/11s at our Club last year. we had 4 teams in that age group
Under the new proposal we would have a div 1, div 2,div 3, OF U/11 and a separate division for the restricted weight , And less experienced kids to go in.

I agree if a club doesnt have enough to have at least two or three teams in an age group, it will be harder to work.
As it is now when a club does have a couple of teams, in an age group, there is already MOSTLY grading into an A team, B team,etc.

Another important thing was that if a bigger kid was found to be better and more experienced than at first thought , he could be dropped back to his own age but in a weaker division as already happens up here now.

As for the smaller kids who want to play in the open, comps, they still can,
for instance my g\sons team, most (probably all)of the kids would stay in A Division,
and as the majority of them also play up an age whenever they can,in any of the u/13s
teams this year, it wont have any effect on their developement at all
.
Thats the main points that I can remember .
But i can promise that there is a hell of a lot of kids just at our own club that would rather play in one of those low u/13 -14 divisions than to play in this years u/12's division 1.

I think theres a lot of us who played a while,( in my case a LONG WHILE AGO)
And just turned up and played and didnt worry about anything,
And a lot of the kids now would happily do the same
there was no duty of care when i played.
there was no concussion tests , or any other tests, (which could explain some things now)lol.

But thats not now, and parents are continually being bombarded with the risks to their kids, and in some cases with good reason.
R.L. cant afford afford to ignore Parents concern, as the other codes are pushing hard to
show that they are addressing the problem, and how much safer their game is than ours even if its not.

Perception is everything when some Mothers are involved
I believe that WTs and THE DRAGS and Penrith were some of the clubs , who originally were involved in discussions at the end of last year.

As i said earlier , it didnt hurt Nathan Cleary to come through a similar system' without it, "he wasnt going to keep playing".

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Sat 24 Feb, 2018 8:40 pm
by happy tiger
Fine for big cities GCT , doesn't help up here

But then again not too many issues with big islander boys at this stage

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Sat 24 Feb, 2018 9:40 pm
by goldcoast tiger
happy tiger wrote:
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 8:40 pm
Fine for big cities GCT , doesn't help up here

But then again not too many issues with big islander boys at this stage
What area are you in Happy

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Sat 24 Feb, 2018 9:46 pm
by happy tiger
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 9:40 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Sat 24 Feb, 2018 8:40 pm
Fine for big cities GCT , doesn't help up here

But then again not too many issues with big islander boys at this stage
What area are you in Happy
Gladstone CQ , we might get 5 sides if we are lucky , probably only 4 from word of mouth

Number wise this will be our best season in three years , at least we won't be borrowing from the lower age group (touch wood )

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Sun 25 Feb, 2018 10:45 pm
by goldcoast tiger
I do a lot of short time road trips, up to Rocky, Gladstone Emerald,and Blackwater each year. as well as trips to parts of Northern NSW.
The number of sets of AFL goal posts that are appearing around those places is scary.
The money that they are pouring into those areas is amazing, as is the number of people that they are getting into paid positions. as schools and club liason officers.

the league is spending a dribble in the country compared to the AfL
One of the suggestions that I heard a little while back was for the NRL to pay the registration for kids in country areas, which would help parents in those areas who can travel a hell of a long way for games ,

Theres no simple answer though, but something has to be done soon to look seriously at ALL of the problems that the juniors face in a lot of areas.
They look at the numbers that are playing on the gold Coast,( and there is a lot,) but the schools are being bombarded by Afl, and it is working.

The clubs here Do have their heads in the sand.

Most of them havent got any idea of whats happening under their noses.
Their idea of getting an idea of what the parents are thinking, is to send out a letter asking their opinions, and as this is AFTER the season is finished. most of the really Peed off people, have already decided to leave the Club or the sport , and dont even bother to reply.

The ones who do, is mainly the ones who complain about their Coach, as they think that their little johnnie should have been in an A team, or should have been the MVP in their team.

The Coast will continue to churn out players for quite a while, but we are not immume TO the AfL influence.There is a lot of kids going to AfL ALREADY
The League need to get some decent programes to attract kids , especially in the country,and I dont just mean about sizes.

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Sun 25 Feb, 2018 11:39 pm
by tiga4eva
Not sure about QLD, but NSW Govt has issued a $100 rebate on kids sports. So to join my JRLFC only costs a family $45 per child and the kid keeps the jersey,shorts,socks and training shirt. We’ll be fielding 7 extra teams this year across the age groups

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Mon 26 Feb, 2018 12:15 am
by happy tiger
tiga4eva wrote:
Sun 25 Feb, 2018 11:39 pm
Not sure about QLD, but NSW Govt has issued a $100 rebate on kids sports. So to join my JRLFC only costs a family $45 per child and the kid keeps the jersey,shorts,socks and training shirt. We’ll be fielding 7 extra teams this year across the age groups
$200 this season , and you only get the $100 rebate if you have a health care card the Mrs tells me

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Fri 09 Mar, 2018 10:42 am
by happy tiger
Young fellas first game tonight , he is a bit happier now , back in the forwards after two years in the centres

Re: Kids Footy

Posted: Sat 10 Mar, 2018 12:42 am
by happy tiger
Boys have knocked off last years premiers in Rd 1 24-20

EB got Parents MOTM , scored 1 set up another ( according to Mum)and was excited for the first time in two years about playing footy back in the forwards

The assistant coach from last year swung a heap of changes (not a parent ) and the team really responded from all reports