surely the halves experiment is over?

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Re: surely the halves experiment is over?

Unread post by Russell » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 7:45 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:Experiment? What experiment? This is what we have. This is the combo the club has invested so much time and effort into, like it or lump it. I can cop Brooks cos he has showed glimpses, Moses on the other hand, well all i'll say about Moses is that i hear the raps people have on him and how he's gonna be a star, then i look at a kid like Jack Bird. Now that right there is a kid who is a star in the making. Idk if its just black, white and orange eyes seeing things in some of these kids that aren't there, or if some people are just genuinely bad judges.
GNR I think it is the grass is greener syndrome.

Bird will not be half the player Moses will be - I'm prepared for you to earmark this post and drag in back out in a couple of years.


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Unread post by Droppy » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 7:50 pm

We've got to try variations in the halves otherwise this season will slip by just like the previous seasons.

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Unread post by GNR4LIFE » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 7:50 pm

Russell wrote:
GNR4LIFE wrote:Experiment? What experiment? This is what we have. This is the combo the club has invested so much time and effort into, like it or lump it. I can cop Brooks cos he has showed glimpses, Moses on the other hand, well all i'll say about Moses is that i hear the raps people have on him and how he's gonna be a star, then i look at a kid like Jack Bird. Now that right there is a kid who is a star in the making. Idk if its just black, white and orange eyes seeing things in some of these kids that aren't there, or if some people are just genuinely bad judges.
GNR I think it is the grass is greener syndrome.

Bird will not be half the player Moses will be - I'm prepared for you to earmark this post and drag in back out in a couple of years.
But of course we have to wait to see it. That's how this club rolls. ''Just have patience, you'll see''.

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Unread post by Russell » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 8:01 pm

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clontarfkid wrote:Age has absolutely nothing to do with it..were not playing holden Cup.
This is the big time and its business...and some of these kids are simply not performing at this level regardless of whether theyre 20,30 or 40Were failing as a team & we need to address the issues.
You can carry maybe one of them ,but not 3 of them plus a centre who is incapable of making a line break
At last someone with the guts to speak the truth.
Simple question - The truth about what?

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Unread post by Russell » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 8:03 pm

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tsjonathan wrote:
clontarfkid wrote:We can all see Brooks potential in attack and cld live with the odd own goal if he actually made an effort in defence...but Moses adds very little in either department the way i see it.
Theres gotta be a better option in the club in the 6 jersey somewhere surely..and brooks needs an education that his game doesnt stop when the opposition has the ball
Wheres Benji...?

Did you watch Moses and Koro from round 12, 2014 when he debuted in NSW cup?
Actually i did watch both in NSW Cup quite a bit.
My conclusion re Moses its whilst jury still undecided,his size may be a major issue in his inability to reproduce his form at the NRL level..a bit like a certain WT fullback(Mullaney)..same deal I suspect.
As for Koro,hes exhibit A as to why Potter shld have been replaced(and throw in nayovoro as well)..we cld have had the best pair of wingers in the NRL(..well..)
They're gone - get over it.


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Unread post by Droppy » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 8:09 pm

Russell you are the type of supporter that is happy with their club irrespective of the facts. never wishing to citicise or suggest improvements.You need to be passiononate & not fear critising your team if warranted.

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Unread post by TrueTiger » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 8:09 pm

Russell,you and I had a good conversation the other day about our halves...you told me to be patient and don't let the frustration get to me....mate how can I watch the garbage that these two dished out today,once again a very winnable game.....22--0 after 25mins.....


Absolute disgrace,you did say that I had played the game before and yes,I have,however I was coached to shut down the opposition if you had a lead like that...these guys and not only Brooks and Moses but others clearly are not confident or smart enough to realise that you step up defence and be precise in your attack,cut down mistakes,don't give away penalties and keep the ball close to your chest...

I would like my team to give a fair show at any given game,they will have my support,how can I support the crap they dished out to a great home crowd at LO...I love the WTs and do support them fully,however today I feel the pain of having a fantastic team look like play school and people laughing at my very much loved team and club......

JT has quite abit of work to do if we are to be a force within the next 3-4 years......

Russell I have always respected your opinion and views...this ones mine..cheers...
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Unread post by Blake93 » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 8:10 pm

Moses out, drinkwater or moltzen in. All our attack revolves around brooks and teddy and it works, brooks has won us a lot more games than he's lost us. Moses on the other hand has done absolutely nothing this year.

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Unread post by Droppy » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 8:13 pm

Blake93 wrote:Moses out, drinkwater or moltzen in. All our attack revolves around brooks and teddy and it works, brooks has won us a lot more games than he's lost us. Moses on the other hand has done absolutely nothing this year.

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Unread post by Russell » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 8:15 pm

Droppy wrote:Russell you are the type of supporter that is happy with their club irrespective of the facts. never wishing to citicise or suggest improvements.You need to be passiononate & not fear critising your team if warranted.
Trouble is Droppy - be critical in the right direction.

It was not Moses, Brooks and Siro that lost the game today - as someone else said "we lost it up the middle"

Be critical for the right reason but don't crucify 20 year old kids.
The improvement is patience. putting crap on them because the team lost does not serve any purpose other than undermine their confidence.

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Unread post by Furious1 » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 8:15 pm

king sirro wrote:I'm in total shock that Moses is copping it over Brooks after that game today. ...shock.
Me too. Have you ever seen a softer attempt at tackling in the NRL than Brooks on Whighton ? Honestly I seen better efforts in the under 10's 3rd division yesterday

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Unread post by Russell » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 8:30 pm

TrueTiger wrote:Russell,you and I had a good conversation the other day about our halves...you told me to be patient and don't let the frustration get to me....mate how can I watch the garbage that these two dished out today,once again a very winnable game.....22--0 after 25mins.....


Absolute disgrace,you did say that I had played the game before and yes,I have,however I was coached to shut down the opposition if you had a lead like that...these guys and not only Brooks and Moses but others clearly are not confident or smart enough to realise that you step up defence and be precise in your attack,cut down mistakes,don't give away penalties and keep the ball close to your chest...

I would like my team to give a fair show at any given game,they will have my support,how can I support the crap they dished out to a great home crowd at LO...I love the WTs and do support them fully,however today I feel the pain of having a fantastic team look like play school and people laughing at my very much loved team and club......

JT has quite abit of work to do if we are to be a force within the next 3-4 years......

Russell I have always respected your opinion and views...this ones mine..cheers...
Agree with you TT to some extent - sometimes it is good to get it off your chest. I also respect your opinion. Believe me, I am not hurting any less than you.

They did get a few things wrong, and in a perfect world we should have gone on and won by 60.
Trouble was, we didn't and it's not a perfect world. They are trying hard and not giving up.

A few of the more experienced players let us down up the middle unfortunately.
I felt angry, disillusioned and frustrated at the game today - just like all the other Tiger supporters that were there - but Mate! as you see these gems unfold from time to time as in Brooks try today - Wow! who is going to stop these guys?

If it helps I liken these two kids load with - a 20 year old put in charge of running say Coles or David Jones with a minimum of experience. The expectation is absolutely massive on these guys.
However our Board made the decision and we as shareholders need to take a few small dividends before the shares jump to record highs and then we clean up.

We'll get there and when we do - it will be so much sweeter.

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Unread post by turnstyle » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 8:57 pm

the only thing that really gets to me is something i have banged on about for ages: tackling big guys high up when youre not big yourself!!

i just dont understand it. brooks today tried to tackle some monster high about 7 metres out, got pushed off and the guy scored.

i was never a big guy to play league, and unless i was trying to tie up the ball after a guy was going to score anyway, i always always hit them around the hips/upper thighs. no one can keep going forward if they are laying face first on the turf no matter how big they are!!

as for "experiment"? well, im speechless. obviously sheens has been obliterated from history; now lawrence, fitzhenry at 5/8th, farah and marshall at 7...recruiting jason moodie... now those are experiments dr frankenstein would be proud of!!
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Unread post by beachtiger » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 9:00 pm

I love Brooks in attack but the kid needs some commitment in defence, some of his attempts today just weren't good enough, shirt grabbing won't cut it at this level.

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Unread post by tsjonathan » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 9:05 pm

turnstyle wrote:
as for "experiment"? well, im speechless. obviously sheens has been obliterated from history; now lawrence, fitzhenry at 5/8th, farah and marshall at 7...recruiting jason moodie... now those are experiments dr frankenstein would be proud of!!
Matt Head at 7, Fulton at 6, Farah at 7 etc etc

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Unread post by clontarfkid » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 9:07 pm

turnstyle wrote:the only thing that really gets to me is something i have banged on about for ages: tackling big guys high up when youre not big yourself!!

i just dont understand it. brooks today tried to tackle some monster high about 7 metres out, got pushed off and the guy scored.

i was never a big guy to play league, and unless i was trying to tie up the ball after a guy was going to score anyway, i always always hit them around the hips/upper thighs. no one can keep going forward if they are laying face first on the turf no matter how big they are!!

as for "experiment"? well, im speechless. obviously sheens has been obliterated from history; now lawrence, fitzhenry at 5/8th, farah and marshall at 7...recruiting jason moodie... now those are experiments dr frankenstein would be proud of!!
Well..."experiment" is defined as conducting a series of tests to learn about something...
NEWSFLASH....the facts are in after 7 rounds....ie Right now the halves combination are uncompetitive at NRL level..and the team is failing
No more testing required

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Unread post by pHyR3 » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 9:37 pm

Newtown wrote:
pHyR3 wrote:kids will come good dont you worry.

there's no experiment this is our halves pairing till at least next year, most likely till 2017.

theyll start hitting their stride next year with experience and some off season work to beef em up.

youll see glimpses now, more and more towards the end of the year.

inconsistency is EXACTLY what immaturity and inexperience means. making decisions at the right time someitmes, and not at others.
Right. By the end of 2017;

1. Brookes will be able to tackle and stop tries due toplayers running straight at him.
2. Moses might stop playing as if he is completely out of his depth.

Good luck Wests Tigers fans we will have something to look forward to in 2018.
i said next year theyll come good, not 2018. Reductio ad absurdum

did you seriously expect two 20 year olds in the HALVES to put together dominating 80 minute performances in round 6? let me know if you see any other halves pairing like that doing any better.
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Unread post by pHyR3 » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 9:38 pm

clontarfkid wrote:
turnstyle wrote:the only thing that really gets to me is something i have banged on about for ages: tackling big guys high up when youre not big yourself!!

i just dont understand it. brooks today tried to tackle some monster high about 7 metres out, got pushed off and the guy scored.

i was never a big guy to play league, and unless i was trying to tie up the ball after a guy was going to score anyway, i always always hit them around the hips/upper thighs. no one can keep going forward if they are laying face first on the turf no matter how big they are!!

as for "experiment"? well, im speechless. obviously sheens has been obliterated from history; now lawrence, fitzhenry at 5/8th, farah and marshall at 7...recruiting jason moodie... now those are experiments dr frankenstein would be proud of!!
Well..."experiment" is defined as conducting a series of tests to learn about something...
NEWSFLASH....the facts are in after 7 rounds....ie Right now the halves combination are uncompetitive at NRL level..and the team is failing
No more testing required
yea fair enough. lets just cancel their contracts tell them to piss off, screw up our salary cap for the next few years again and then cry about how theyre playing SOO with a new club in a few years time while we're bottom 4 again.
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