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Post by Pawsandclaws » Sun 16 Aug, 2015 7:23 pm

If you are seeking a very short term halves pairing without any guarantee of success, you may go for Hodgkinson and Maloney.

But if you are building the foundation for the future success of the WTs, taking a gamble on the development of Cherrington, Brooks, Moses and Tedesco seems to me to be a reasonable option.


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Post by krayola » Sun 16 Aug, 2015 7:46 pm

lol let's get all worked up over some guy on a forum throwing random crap out there

The way the cap is going 600k, while being a lot of money, isn't going to be that crazy for young prospective talent. If we don't pay them that, someone else will. And it will be far from the worst contract in the league too. The cap goes up and clubs have to spend the money on someone...if you're off-contract in that period, the luck is yours.

A lot of old heads and regular folk are going to have difficulty understanding the money the average league player is about to be earning.
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Post by guyofthetiger » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 8:16 am

Milky wrote:WHO THE HELL PAYS AN UNPROVEN BACKROWER 600K?? Got to be kidding me, Mayer is an idiot if true.

Sorry I know this has gone off topic, but I guess - if it's true - it's the reality of competing with richer clubs who can easily lure away stars in the making, and can afford mistakes should they not reach potential, and simply rewrite their roster within 12 months...

We need to future-proof contracts when we can't compete TPA-wise but it does and has put us at risk business-wise....
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Post by THE POM » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 8:49 am

sparro wrote:You're 100% wrong Milky Moses and Sirro both will receive 600k 2017 plus THEY have the option to stay.....I know its hard to believe .Ive never heard of such contracts given to Rookies...Why do u think they sacked Grant Meyer....He got them into this salary cap mess...Why u think they wont drop Moses back to NSW Cup....cause they're paying him a fortune......The West Board left to sort out this mess....

Complete crap ! Sironen is no where near that kind of money for either 2016 or 2017. Grant Mayer didn't cause this current salary cap issues. It was created but previous management & stems from 4 players contract that are that heavenly backed ended it's screwed up 2016 & a small part of 2017's Cap.

We have a little money to spend in 2016 & a lot more to spend for 2017. This over exaggeration of 3 years to fix the salary cap from Marina Go is more proof she is out of her depth in this role, just like her stuff up of the Liverpool relocation announcement.

In relation to Grant Mayer leaving the club, it WAS his decision to leave, yes he could see the writing on the wall & jumped 1st but it had nothing to do with the salary cap. He was trying his hardest to great unity with the whole one club slogan, but there are too many inside the club that just simply won't let go & push too many personnel agendas either being Wests Or Balmain both are at fault. Mayer is responsible for this new Major Sponsor (Brydens Lawyers) & also for helping setting up the clubs future with the new facility at Liverpool. He brought in Phil Moss to do a Panthers style cleanout which did cause some tension like it would at any club & put forward some suggestions forward in regards to current players who should be moved on. He was trying to fix the salary cap & had it in good place to be more competitive in the market for 2016, but left before the final plan could be carried out & now the club is currently leaderless which needs to be sorted out ASAP as Phil Moss is NO CEO & its hurting things in regards to relationships with sponsors, share holders & player managers.

Ava agreed to terms over 2 weeks ago yet still has not contract infront of him to sign & is a great risk of leaving. The current board needs to pull there finger out & Marina Go needs to stop going into the spotlight & opening her mouth before clubs make the official announcement.

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Post by ryanda01 » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 9:00 am

^ Yes congrats to Mitch. Am hoping that with a big off season he can work on his D, put on a bit of weight, and we wrap him for all of 2016 for his constancy.

P.s. Would be interesting to see just how far off topic we can get posts. I fair dimkum had to reload the page to know what topic this was. Cmon WTF, lets do a Twitter like campaign.

#getbackontopic for anybody seen to be even remotely getting off topic.


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Post by Telltails » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 9:09 am

Milky wrote:WHO THE HELL PAYS AN UNPROVEN BACKROWER 600K?? Got to be kidding me, Mayer is an idiot if true.
Dont believe everything you read on here Milky.

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Post by Balmain Boy » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 10:41 am

Hodgo and Maloney would probably be on 6-800k a season, every season. Around 2 million over 3 years. There's the difference you're talking about between top youngsters and proven performers! Heck Tyrone Roberts is on 400k next season at the Titans!!

Moses has been very good for the past few months, whereas Brooks had a strong start and has faded away. Happens with young players. Moses' drive, attitude and arrogance is what sets him apart from many other young players, including Martin. His will to win, and get his team mates going is exceptional.

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 10:50 am

Balmain Boy wrote:Hodgo and Maloney would probably be on 6-800k a season, every season. Around 2 million over 3 years. There's the difference you're talking about between top youngsters and proven performers! Heck Tyrone Roberts is on 400k next season at the Titans!!

Moses has been very good for the past few months, whereas Brooks had a strong start and has faded away. Happens with young players. Moses' drive, attitude and arrogance is what sets him apart from many other young players, including Martin. His will to win, and get his team mates going is exceptional.
Good to see you deleted your first paragraph. Turning this into more Wests v Balmain crap could have turned it into another 10 page war.

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Post by formerguest » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 10:57 am

THE POM wrote:Complete crap ! Sironen is no where near that kind of money for either 2016 or 2017. Grant Mayer didn't cause this current salary cap issues. It was created but previous management & stems from 4 players contract that are that heavenly backed ended it's screwed up 2016 & a small part of 2017's Cap.

We have a little money to spend in 2016 & a lot more to spend for 2017. This over exaggeration of 3 years to fix the salary cap from Marina Go is more proof she is out of her depth in this role, just like her stuff up of the Liverpool relocation announcement.

In relation to Grant Mayer leaving the club, it WAS his decision to leave, yes he could see the writing on the wall & jumped 1st but it had nothing to do with the salary cap. He was trying his hardest to great unity with the whole one club slogan, but there are too many inside the club that just simply won't let go & push too many personnel agendas either being Wests Or Balmain both are at fault. Mayer is responsible for this new Major Sponsor (Brydens Lawyers) & also for helping setting up the clubs future with the new facility at Liverpool. He brought in Phil Moss to do a Panthers style cleanout which did cause some tension like it would at any club & put forward some suggestions forward in regards to current players who should be moved on. He was trying to fix the salary cap & had it in good place to be more competitive in the market for 2016, but left before the final plan could be carried out & now the club is currently leaderless which needs to be sorted out ASAP as Phil Moss is NO CEO & its hurting things in regards to relationships with sponsors, share holders & player managers.

Ava agreed to terms over 2 weeks ago yet still has not contract infront of him to sign & is a great risk of leaving. The current board needs to pull there finger out & Marina Go needs to stop going into the spotlight & opening her mouth before clubs make the official announcement.
Thanks pommy, pretty well the reality that I expected, though a little surprised you have such a low opinion of the chair.

Moses will be worth every cent we signed him up for and probably more.

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Post by THE POM » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 11:20 am

formerguest wrote:
THE POM wrote:Complete crap ! Sironen is no where near that kind of money for either 2016 or 2017. Grant Mayer didn't cause this current salary cap issues. It was created but previous management & stems from 4 players contract that are that heavenly backed ended it's screwed up 2016 & a small part of 2017's Cap.

We have a little money to spend in 2016 & a lot more to spend for 2017. This over exaggeration of 3 years to fix the salary cap from Marina Go is more proof she is out of her depth in this role, just like her stuff up of the Liverpool relocation announcement.

In relation to Grant Mayer leaving the club, it WAS his decision to leave, yes he could see the writing on the wall & jumped 1st but it had nothing to do with the salary cap. He was trying his hardest to great unity with the whole one club slogan, but there are too many inside the club that just simply won't let go & push too many personnel agendas either being Wests Or Balmain both are at fault. Mayer is responsible for this new Major Sponsor (Brydens Lawyers) & also for helping setting up the clubs future with the new facility at Liverpool. He brought in Phil Moss to do a Panthers style cleanout which did cause some tension like it would at any club & put forward some suggestions forward in regards to current players who should be moved on. He was trying to fix the salary cap & had it in good place to be more competitive in the market for 2016, but left before the final plan could be carried out & now the club is currently leaderless which needs to be sorted out ASAP as Phil Moss is NO CEO & its hurting things in regards to relationships with sponsors, share holders & player managers.

Ava agreed to terms over 2 weeks ago yet still has not contract infront of him to sign & is a great risk of leaving. The current board needs to pull there finger out & Marina Go needs to stop going into the spotlight & opening her mouth before clubs make the official announcement.
Thanks pommy, pretty well the reality that I expected, though a little surprised you have such a low opinion of the chair.

Moses will be worth every cent we signed him up for and probably more.
This is all I'll have to say in regards to Marina Go. She is a very smart & well connected business woman, but can't handle the pressure from fans & social media. The 3 year salary cap story was a knee jerk reaction to crap she was copping online about letting Te Marie Martin go. The whole Liverpool announcement was a mess, paper ate that up & turned into a whole neglecting Campbelltown story & to make matters worse she comes out with a story in the MacArthur Advertiser saying Campbelltown are still in the race WHEN THEIR NOT ! Liverpool is signed off & has been for nearly 4 months. She just keeps digging herself a hole & didn't tell anyone at the club about doing any of these stories, hence the crappy little statement sent out by the club in regards to relocation.

She's going to do great things for the club, just
needs to be more caring about sharing info properly instead of giving friends in the media a scoop.

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Post by VanillaThunder » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 1:05 pm

Good to hear Ava has had an offer at the very least. It'd be nice to have that solid piece of paper but we'll take what we can get for now.
Back on topic, not too fussed by the money Moses or Brooks are on. The salary cap is in line to go up, halves generally command the most money and if they both live up to their potential then (in two years time, mind you) they'll well and truly be worth it.

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Post by Magpie Magic » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 1:25 pm

VanillaThunder wrote:Good to hear Ava has had an offer at the very least. It'd be nice to have that solid piece of paper but we'll take what we can get for now.
Back on topic, not too fussed by the money Moses or Brooks are on. The salary cap is in line to go up, halves generally command the most money and if they both live up to their potential then (in two years time, mind you) they'll well and truly be worth it.

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Its debatable but not comfortable with this.
A massive gamble hoping 2 young halves come good in 2 years time and paying them on hopes.

It was mentioning on Sterlings show Moses has option in 2017.
I have heard 600k but if this is not correct how much is it.

Maloney or Hodgo if on similar money would win us games on their kicking games alone.
And sadly it looks like Mosrs detracts fom Brooks game and they don't seem to compliment each other.
No NRL club shows this much faith in 2 young halves with poor kicking games when other player are available .
We should have went with one and signed an experienced player with kicking game and stuck the other in seconds.

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Post by barra » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 1:59 pm

Magpie Magic wrote:
VanillaThunder wrote:Good to hear Ava has had an offer at the very least. It'd be nice to have that solid piece of paper but we'll take what we can get for now.
Back on topic, not too fussed by the money Moses or Brooks are on. The salary cap is in line to go up, halves generally command the most money and if they both live up to their potential then (in two years time, mind you) they'll well and truly be worth it.

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Its debatable but not comfortable with this.
A massive gamble hoping 2 young halves come good in 2 years time and paying them on hopes.

It was mentioning on Sterlings show Moses has option in 2017.
I have heard 600k but if this is not correct how much is it.

Maloney or Hodgo if on similar money would win us games on their kicking games alone.
And sadly it looks like Mosrs detracts fom Brooks game and they don't seem to compliment each other.
No NRL club shows this much faith in 2 young halves with poor kicking games when other player are available .
We should have went with one and signed an experienced player with kicking game and stuck the other in seconds.
Magic this is a sign of the times I reckon. A sign of how desperate all clubs are in regards to securing good halves, so in some degree this was a 'hands-off' to others.

Also a sign of how the players - especially young ones - seem to think these days. It seems that most good youngsters are quite ambitious, and often quite impatient as well. If they don't get shown 'the love' they don't want to hang around to wait their turn. Young fellas with all sorts of voices in their face all the time, especially their manager I would think.

It's easy to say what we shoulda/coulda in hindsight - and for what it is worth, I agree that the best option might have been to keep both, add another quality half and let one of the young guns mature in reggies. But the reality is that I doubt that was an option, both in regards to the first couple of comments, coupled with what we could afford.

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Post by hammertime » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 2:05 pm

THE POM wrote: This is all I'll have to say in regards to Marina Go. She is a very smart & well connected business woman, but can't handle the pressure from fans & social media. The 3 year salary cap story was a knee jerk reaction to crap she was copping online about letting Te Marie Martin go. The whole Liverpool announcement was a mess, paper ate that up & turned into a whole neglecting Campbelltown story & to make matters worse she comes out with a story in the MacArthur Advertiser saying Campbelltown are still in the race WHEN THEIR NOT ! Liverpool is signed off & has been for nearly 4 months. She just keeps digging herself a hole & didn't tell anyone at the club about doing any of these stories, hence the crappy little statement sent out by the club in regards to relocation.

She's going to do great things for the club, just
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Still better than what we have had in the past mate.

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Post by hammertime » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 2:07 pm

THE POM wrote: Complete crap ! Sironen is no where near that kind of money for either 2016 or 2017. Grant Mayer didn't cause this current salary cap issues. It was created but previous management & stems from 4 players contract that are that heavenly backed ended it's screwed up 2016 & a small part of 2017's Cap.
Always great to get the info Pommy. Love your work.

As for the above - Lawrence, Farah, Galloway & Woods?

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Post by tsjonathan » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 3:14 pm

hammertime wrote:
THE POM wrote: This is all I'll have to say in regards to Marina Go. She is a very smart & well connected business woman, but can't handle the pressure from fans & social media. The 3 year salary cap story was a knee jerk reaction to crap she was copping online about letting Te Marie Martin go. The whole Liverpool announcement was a mess, paper ate that up & turned into a whole neglecting Campbelltown story & to make matters worse she comes out with a story in the MacArthur Advertiser saying Campbelltown are still in the race WHEN THEIR NOT ! Liverpool is signed off & has been for nearly 4 months. She just keeps digging herself a hole & didn't tell anyone at the club about doing any of these stories, hence the crappy little statement sent out by the club in regards to relocation.

She's going to do great things for the club, just
needs to be more caring about sharing info properly instead of giving friends in the media a scoop.

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Still better than what we have had in the past mate.
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I'm pretty happy we have some stability in the halves now.

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Post by tsjonathan » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 3:19 pm

THE POM wrote:
formerguest wrote:
THE POM wrote:Complete crap ! Sironen is no where near that kind of money for either 2016 or 2017. Grant Mayer didn't cause this current salary cap issues. It was created but previous management & stems from 4 players contract that are that heavenly backed ended it's screwed up 2016 & a small part of 2017's Cap.

We have a little money to spend in 2016 & a lot more to spend for 2017. This over exaggeration of 3 years to fix the salary cap from Marina Go is more proof she is out of her depth in this role, just like her stuff up of the Liverpool relocation announcement.

In relation to Grant Mayer leaving the club, it WAS his decision to leave, yes he could see the writing on the wall & jumped 1st but it had nothing to do with the salary cap. He was trying his hardest to great unity with the whole one club slogan, but there are too many inside the club that just simply won't let go & push too many personnel agendas either being Wests Or Balmain both are at fault. Mayer is responsible for this new Major Sponsor (Brydens Lawyers) & also for helping setting up the clubs future with the new facility at Liverpool. He brought in Phil Moss to do a Panthers style cleanout which did cause some tension like it would at any club & put forward some suggestions forward in regards to current players who should be moved on. He was trying to fix the salary cap & had it in good place to be more competitive in the market for 2016, but left before the final plan could be carried out & now the club is currently leaderless which needs to be sorted out ASAP as Phil Moss is NO CEO & its hurting things in regards to relationships with sponsors, share holders & player managers.

Ava agreed to terms over 2 weeks ago yet still has not contract infront of him to sign & is a great risk of leaving. The current board needs to pull there finger out & Marina Go needs to stop going into the spotlight & opening her mouth before clubs make the official announcement.
Thanks pommy, pretty well the reality that I expected, though a little surprised you have such a low opinion of the chair.

Moses will be worth every cent we signed him up for and probably more.
The 3 year salary cap story was a knee jerk reaction to crap she was copping online about letting Te Marie Martin go.

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has it been established by Martin was let go?

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Post by VanillaThunder » Mon 17 Aug, 2015 3:24 pm

Magpie Magic wrote:
VanillaThunder wrote:Good to hear Ava has had an offer at the very least. It'd be nice to have that solid piece of paper but we'll take what we can get for now.
Back on topic, not too fussed by the money Moses or Brooks are on. The salary cap is in line to go up, halves generally command the most money and if they both live up to their potential then (in two years time, mind you) they'll well and truly be worth it.

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Its debatable but not comfortable with this.
A massive gamble hoping 2 young halves come good in 2 years time and paying them on hopes.

It was mentioning on Sterlings show Moses has option in 2017.
I have heard 600k but if this is not correct how much is it.

Maloney or Hodgo if on similar money would win us games on their kicking games alone.
And sadly it looks like Mosrs detracts fom Brooks game and they don't seem to compliment each other.
No NRL club shows this much faith in 2 young halves with poor kicking games when other player are available .
We should have went with one and signed an experienced player with kicking game and stuck the other in seconds.
I agree, but given the circumstances with us putting all our eggs in the rebuilding basket I'm not too fussed. These blokes have barely put together two years of footy each, and with a constantly shifting team around them. They've both had their moments, and Moses more so in recent times, but I'm willing to be patient and re-assess in two years time because by then they could be anything. It would be nice if the option was in our favour, but if in two years our halves haven't developed then it's probably likely the rest of our team wouldn't either.

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