Tim Sheens' payout could cost Tigers up to $1.5 million

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Tim Sheens' payout could cost Tigers up to $1.5 million

Post by willow » Thu 15 May, 2014 9:26 am

Former coach Tim Sheens' payout could cost Wests Tigers up to $1.5 million

Date May 14, 2014 - 10:50PM
Adrian Proszenko
Chief Rugby League Reporter


The decision to sack Tim Sheens could cost Wests Tigers up to $1.5 million after the premiership-winning coach pressed ahead with legal action against the joint-venture club.

Sheens was sacked from an estimated $450,000 a year deal after the Tigers slumped to a 12th-placed finish in 2012. He was contracted until the end of this season but has not been paid since July last year. The case will be heard on December 8 following a directions hearing in the Supreme Court on Tuesday.

According to court documents filed by Sheens' legal team, the plaintiff is demanding "the full value of his remuneration entitlements under the terms of the contract of employment from 1 July 2013 until the expiry of the term of his employment".

The Kangaroos mentor is also seeking "damages for loss of opportunity to earn bonus payments under the contract of employment", "damages for breach and repudiation of the contract of employment" and "damages for loss of enhancement of repudiation", as well as costs.

According to documents filed with the court, the contract contained an option for Sheens to renew the deal for a further year "subject to certain performance criteria of the first grade rugby league team being met".

It is understood the Tigers, who have a fortnight to submit their witness statements, asked for the case not to be heard until the end of the football season so the matter was not a distraction for the team.

After sacking Sheens, the Tigers appointed Mick Potter as his replacement. The team finished second-last in his first year in charge, which was badly disrupted by injury. However, they have improved markedly and now sit in the top eight, with Potter expected to be granted an extension to his deal.

It is understood Sheens' legal team will argue that the four-time premiership-winning coach is entitled to a payout of between $1.25 million and $1.5 million.

The Tigers are also contesting another matter that could prove costly if they do not mount a strong defence. Chief executive Grant Mayer confirmed the club will appeal against a $20,000 fine after an alleged breach of the NRL's new concussion laws.

The Tigers have been given an extension to the end of the week to respond to a breach notice for allowing Liam Fulton to remain on the field in the clash with Manly. The forward suffered head knocks in rounds one and three and was rested the following week on both occasions.

The NRL tightened the rules to put more onus on clubs to identify concussions after the Bulldogs escaped without sanction when their doctor and trainer claimed they did not witness a concussion to James Graham.

The Fulton incident occurred before the rule tweak and the Tigers will use a similar argument as part of their response. They will also point to the fact that they have erred on the side of caution throughout the season, including pointing to the fact that Pat Richards and Bodene Thompson were taken off during their loss to the Titans.

"Fundamentally, we believe our duty of care to our players since round one has been the game's benchmark. We've deliberately taken a leadership position on this," Mayer said.

"We're surprised by the determination on Liam Fulton, specifically because he's been stood down by the club twice before.

"We don't think [the fine] is fair and reasonable. We're going to challenge it based on a few issues in the breach notice. We're hopeful. Our staff see ourselves as the ones who have led the charge around the concussion rule because we take it so seriously."


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Post by Cosimo_Zaretti » Thu 15 May, 2014 9:54 am

So you know what happens if you don't pay your bills? They end up costing a whole lot more. That $200 phone bill that came while you were on holidays is now a $1000 letter of demand from a collection agency.

Most people have their heads around this concept by the time they're in the mid 20's. The Tigers board however are still under the impression that you can just pile up all the unopened mail and it will eventually go away.

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Post by Furious1 » Thu 15 May, 2014 10:22 am

We should be seeking damages from Sheens.

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Post by Black & Gold » Thu 15 May, 2014 10:43 am

I wanted Sheens sacked in 2011 but the Tigers stupidly extended his contract and then sack him a year after re-signing him? WTF?!

Sheens has every right to seek compensation.

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Post by NT Tiger » Thu 15 May, 2014 11:02 am

Just pay him and be done with it. Give the team a change to continue its progress without distraction.
"Quality Stupidity"


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Post by Juro » Thu 15 May, 2014 11:04 am

Surely there has to be some sensible logic to them not paying. Are they just putting it off for as long as they can, or do they have any sort of leg to stand on to refuse payment?
I've been a member since 2012. We last played finals football in 2011. Just saying...

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Post by NT Tiger » Thu 15 May, 2014 11:13 am

Juro wrote:Surely there has to be some sensible logic to them not paying.
You would have hoped so, but Sheen's case must have legs or he wouldn't be proceeding.
"Quality Stupidity"

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Post by OutbackJack » Thu 15 May, 2014 12:27 pm

NT Tiger wrote:
Juro wrote:Surely there has to be some sensible logic to them not paying.
You would have hoped so, but Sheen's case must have legs or he wouldn't be proceeding.
When lawyers are receiving a commission,or a slice of the settlement action, such as Sheen's team probably are, then logic and even common sense goes out the window.

Goes to show that 99.9% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.

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Post by magpiecol » Thu 15 May, 2014 1:05 pm

Weststigers, as I understand it, offered Sheens a job at the club in some capacity.

If he had accepted this role then he would have been paid. However, he declined. So effectively he sacked himself.

Once you get involved with Solicitors and other Legal Eagles then the only way is down for everyone ( except the aforesaid Solicitors and Legal Eagles).

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Post by WTDiehard » Thu 15 May, 2014 1:11 pm

The Tigers biggest mistake apart from not paying Sheens his salary was allowing him to walk around free of charge.

I would have made him coach Jersey Flegg at least and would have demanded he relinguish the Aust coaching job. After all the tigers are his primary coaching job, regardless of whether he was terminated. If he was under contract then financially we are obliged to pay him but we certainly can demand certain things from him as well.

Situation mismanaged and poorly handled by Mgmt.

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Post by RatedRKO » Thu 15 May, 2014 3:30 pm

WTDiehard wrote:The Tigers biggest mistake apart from not paying Sheens his salary was allowing him to walk around free of charge.

I would have made him coach Jersey Flegg at least and would have demanded he relinguish the Aust coaching job. After all the tigers are his primary coaching job, regardless of whether he was terminated. If he was under contract then financially we are obliged to pay him but we certainly can demand certain things from him as well.

Situation mismanaged and poorly handled by Mgmt.
Now this is all speculation, but as I understand it: WT offered Sheens new roles within the club after sacking him as coach. He refused them all and walked.

If this is the case, we made the right decision. If we just stopped paying him for no reason, then it was poor management for sure.

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Post by iofthetigers » Thu 15 May, 2014 4:17 pm

I thought at some stage in 2012 that Sheens said that if the Tigers didn't make the 8 he would walk.

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Post by AmericanHistoryX » Thu 15 May, 2014 4:38 pm

Black & Gold wrote:I wanted Sheens sacked in 2011 but the Tigers stupidly extended his contract and then sack him a year after re-signing him? WTF?!

Sheens has every right to seek compensation.
Totally agree. :wtf
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Post by happy tiger » Thu 15 May, 2014 6:28 pm

Surely we could put a hit on Sheens

Whats John Elias and Craig Field up to ??

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Post by tigerlogic » Thu 15 May, 2014 6:31 pm

[quote="happy tiger"]Surely we could put a hit on Sheens

Whats John Elias and Craig Field up to ??[/


Joking or not pretty stupid thing to say I usually admire your posts but this is a ridiculous thing to say

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Post by happy tiger » Thu 15 May, 2014 6:35 pm

tigerlogic wrote:
happy tiger wrote:Surely we could put a hit on Sheens

Whats John Elias and Craig Field up to ??[/


Joking or not pretty stupid thing to say I usually admire your posts but this is a ridiculous thing to say

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Sorry probably in poor taste , but Sheens is just dragging us through the mud because no club is interested in him

He created the mess and now he wants us to pay for it

He not the brightest , what club is going to be interested in an NRL coach that sued its last club ??

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Post by LaT » Thu 15 May, 2014 6:44 pm

Sheens should sleep with the fishes.....at Cronulla.

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Post by philgood » Thu 15 May, 2014 6:50 pm

happy tiger wrote:Surely we could put a hit on Sheens

Whats John Elias and Craig Field up to ??

i thought it was a Good idea

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