Player fire sale just weeks away

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Re: Player fire sale just weeks away

Unread post by cochise » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 1:23 pm

Knuckles wrote:
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 12:51 pm
cochise wrote:
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Cultured Bogan wrote:
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If I was in Woods' spot right now I would be keeping my mouth shut, if he backs out of the contract he saves the bulldogs skin. If the bulldogs backout they have to top up any potential shortfall in what another club pays him next year.

The perfect way for him to play it would be to let the Tigers know privately that he wants to stay (which I believe he has) and for the Tigers and the dogs to negotiate who is paying what in his contract. If the Tigers negotiate hard they could end up keeping him for much less than if he just walks away from his contract.
It seems the club has turned a corner with contract negotiations. They will not be prepared to pay full fare on Woods' contract. He'll have to agree to a more reasonable contract or he'll be playing for the Dogs (or sitting on the sidelines whilst being paid by them.)
He doesn't necessarily have to agree to a more reasonable contract, the bulldogs may have to pay part due to him having a binding contract with them. How much they are willing to pay will depend on how desperate they are to fix their mess, the longer it carries on the more desperate they may become.

As I said Woods' best tactic right now would to be to be quiet, let the clubs see if they can work out a solution. We may end up with a case where the Tigers are paying him $500K and the Bulldogs are paying $300K. Woods get his money, Tigers get him for very good value and the Bulldogs are stuck paying a player for 3 years who never even wore their jersey. Sounds perfect to me.
Sounds perfect to me too .... hahaha !!!
That sort of thing usually happens to us.
My mates a doggies fan so I really hope this happens lol


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Unread post by wt00 » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:05 pm

Cap has been agreed -
The star of the team is the team.

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Unread post by Cultured Bogan » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:06 pm

Haha, suck a bag Canterbury.
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Unread post by wt00 » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:10 pm

The star of the team is the team.

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Unread post by tiger05premier » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:12 pm

Awesome news


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Unread post by diedpretty » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:33 pm

wt00 wrote:
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So how many years at a club before your classed as a veteran. It's an extra 200k we have to spend if we just use it on Lawrences contract.

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Unread post by cqtiger » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:36 pm

If my math is correct then the Bulldogs, Penrith, Roosters and Raiders will only need to get rid of one decent player.
They planned for a $10M cap now its $9.4M - that's only $600k over.
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Unread post by TigerTiger » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:42 pm

cqtiger wrote:
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:36 pm
If my math is correct then the Bulldogs, Penrith, Roosters and Raiders will only need to get rid of one decent player.
They planned for a $10M cap now its $9.4M - that's only $600k over.
Depends on how much other clubs will let them off the hook.
I suspect Raiders and Penrith will have to release a couple of decent players each, as they don't have many big name players.
Dogs, I am hoping will have to release 2 bigger names as long as no club gives them a break.

Remember when we were trying to move Robbie on, Easts offered $10k a year, letting us pay something like $940k. That's the mindset the Bulldogs deserve.

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Unread post by tiger05premier » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 4:05 pm

TigerTiger wrote:
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:42 pm
cqtiger wrote:
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:36 pm
If my math is correct then the Bulldogs, Penrith, Roosters and Raiders will only need to get rid of one decent player.
They planned for a $10M cap now its $9.4M - that's only $600k over.
Depends on how much other clubs will let them off the hook.
I suspect Raiders and Penrith will have to release a couple of decent players each, as they don't have many big name players.
Dogs, I am hoping will have to release 2 bigger names as long as no club gives them a break.

Remember when we were trying to move Robbie on, Easts offered $10k a year, letting us pay something like $940k. That's the mindset the Bulldogs deserve.
I hope that's the mindset they get.

It would be awesome to see them suffer

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Unread post by Swordy » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 4:11 pm

Whilst it would be nice to jam the bulldogs up the blirter, id offer Woods whatever our last offer was to him. I wouldnt be interested in lowballing everyone, because that will always backfire. If it means dogs add some, then tell woods that is up to him to either get or forego.

Pay him what he is worth, make him happy, breed loyalty and good club ethic, and get on with life.
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Unread post by formerguest » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 4:22 pm

Swordy wrote:
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 4:11 pm
Whilst it would be nice to jam the bulldogs up the blirter, id offer Woods whatever our last offer was to him. I wouldnt be interested in lowballing everyone, because that will always backfire. If it means dogs add some, then tell woods that is up to him to either get or forego.

Pay him what he is worth, make him happy, breed loyalty and good club ethic, and get on with life.
Cannot see how the math would work balance wise when WT have spent more than a million a season on the front row for three years since he declined our offer. Would need at least twenty percent discount for mine.

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Unread post by Tigerles » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 4:34 pm

cqtiger wrote:
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:36 pm
If my math is correct then the Bulldogs, Penrith, Roosters and Raiders will only need to get rid of one decent player.
They planned for a $10M cap now its $9.4M - that's only $600k over.
for what its worth Reading the player has said that the dogs situation is worse than what's been reported. Even if the cap was set at 9.5mil the dogs would still be 1.1mil over that amount.

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Unread post by TYGA » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 4:57 pm

Tigerles wrote:
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 4:34 pm
cqtiger wrote:
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:36 pm
If my math is correct then the Bulldogs, Penrith, Roosters and Raiders will only need to get rid of one decent player.
They planned for a $10M cap now its $9.4M - that's only $600k over.
for what its worth Reading the player has said that the dogs situation is worse than what's been reported. Even if the cap was set at 9.5mil the dogs would still be 1.1mil over that amount.
You are close to the mark. They will have to heavily subsidise players to get 1.1m off the books.
I think NZ or Knights will take Graham at 450k saving 550k. The Morris boys will have takers at 300k which should save the Dogs another 800k.

Their team losing Kasiano, Graham, Morris x2 will be inferior even with Woods & Foran. If the players refuse to leave then it will get very interesting.

Woods, Foran, Brown and Elliot are all backended to make things worse moving forward.

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Unread post by bathursttiger » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 5:18 pm

cqtiger wrote:
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:36 pm
If my math is correct then the Bulldogs, Penrith, Roosters and Raiders will only need to get rid of one decent player.
They planned for a $10M cap now its $9.4M - that's only $600k over.
It's not quite as easy as that, for every player that you get rid of you need to replace him with another player to have 30 players in the top tier.
I think under the new agreement the lowest player payment is $100K.
Plus a club might/will have to subsidise the player/players they release. The clubs with cap space now know that some clubs will have to move players on they will not make it easy for the club nor should they.
Nathan Brown said that he was going to play hard ball and make the clubs that over spent sweat, and the other clubs with cap space should do the same.
Not give these greedy clubs an easy way out of their financial mess that they created for themselves, when they were warned by the NRL not to spend over $9.1million.
My heart bleeds for these greedy clubs.
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Unread post by Harvey » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 5:18 pm

Dogs also have a few players off contract that you assume will not be re-signed. They still need to have a squad of 30, even if 8 of them are on minimum contracts of 100k or so

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Unread post by bathursttiger » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 5:22 pm

TYGA wrote:
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 4:57 pm
Tigerles wrote:
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 4:34 pm
cqtiger wrote:
Thu 17 Aug, 2017 3:36 pm
If my math is correct then the Bulldogs, Penrith, Roosters and Raiders will only need to get rid of one decent player.
They planned for a $10M cap now its $9.4M - that's only $600k over.
for what its worth Reading the player has said that the dogs situation is worse than what's been reported. Even if the cap was set at 9.5mil the dogs would still be 1.1mil over that amount.
You are close to the mark. They will have to heavily subsidise players to get 1.1m off the books.
I think NZ or Knights will take Graham at 450k saving 550k. The Morris boys will have takers at 300k which should save the Dogs another 800k.

Their team losing Kasiano, Graham, Morris x2 will be inferior even with Woods & Foran. If the players refuse to leave then it will get very interesting.

Woods, Foran, Brown and Elliot are all backended to make things worse moving forward.
For every player that the Dogs get rid of they have to spend $100K to buy a replacement to fill their 30 players under the cap.

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Unread post by The_Doc » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 5:26 pm

I would think Woods would be a massive chance of having to play elsewhere now considering the 200k for long serving players wouldnt qualify any of their player bar Reynolds i would imagine. Of course that depends on if the stipulations are changed around the length of time. So effectively the dogs would be working off a $9.2 cap unless they spent the $200k on dev players, still massive issues either way.

Id take Woods back at 5ook for 4 seasons the dogs picking up the remainder how sweet would that be imagine his manager squirming back into Pascoe's office :lol:

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Unread post by Telltails » Thu 17 Aug, 2017 6:23 pm

Dib is very happy with the outcome - either foxing- or the player sale is not going to be anywhere near the scale that is being predicted.

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