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Unread post by GNR4LIFE » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 1:44 pm

jirskyr wrote:
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GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 10 Oct, 2017 5:34 pm
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We need to build a wall! !!
I know it doesn't matter to you being anti Ctown and anti LO, but to some of us it does. That's all I'm saying. If Souths took a game to Leichhardt I reckon a fuss would be made.
Well it's not the same, how long have Wests been playing out of CSS in some incarnation? Since 1987. They relocated from a torally different area of Sydney. Newtown played games out of CSS before Wests did, and if they hadn't folded, might still be there.

Balmain played out of LO since 1934, nobody else has held the ground and Balmain didn't relocate to LO.
I don't get what you are saying. Are you trying to say Balmain have a longer history at LO? That has nothing to do with what's being discussed.


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Unread post by jirskyr » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 5:02 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 1:44 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 11:47 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 10 Oct, 2017 5:34 pm
gallagher wrote:
Tue 10 Oct, 2017 5:19 pm
We need to build a wall! !!
I know it doesn't matter to you being anti Ctown and anti LO, but to some of us it does. That's all I'm saying. If Souths took a game to Leichhardt I reckon a fuss would be made.
Well it's not the same, how long have Wests been playing out of CSS in some incarnation? Since 1987. They relocated from a torally different area of Sydney. Newtown played games out of CSS before Wests did, and if they hadn't folded, might still be there.

Balmain played out of LO since 1934, nobody else has held the ground and Balmain didn't relocate to LO.
I don't get what you are saying. Are you trying to say Balmain have a longer history at LO? That has nothing to do with what's being discussed.
Yes that is what I am saying. If Souths took a game to LO there would be a fuss because it's been the Tigers HG since it existed in 1934. Tigers have been the local side since 1908.

If Souths take games to CSS, they would be in a list of clubs to have done so and not even the first one to play there. There'd be a fuss but I'd understand if it's less so.

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Unread post by jirskyr » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 5:07 pm

bathursttiger wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 12:05 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 11:47 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 10 Oct, 2017 5:34 pm
gallagher wrote:
Tue 10 Oct, 2017 5:19 pm
We need to build a wall! !!
I know it doesn't matter to you being anti Ctown and anti LO, but to some of us it does. That's all I'm saying. If Souths took a game to Leichhardt I reckon a fuss would be made.
Well it's not the same, how long have Wests been playing out of CSS in some incarnation? Since 1987. They relocated from a torally different area of Sydney. Newtown played games out of CSS before Wests did, and if they hadn't folded, might still be there.

Balmain played out of LO since 1934, nobody else has held the ground and Balmain didn't relocate to LO.
I thought that Balmain relocated to LO from Birchgrove.
On a technicality yes they did, but LO didn't exist when the club started and Balmain did not relocate as a district.

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Unread post by GNR4LIFE » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 6:21 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 5:02 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 1:44 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 11:47 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 10 Oct, 2017 5:34 pm

I know it doesn't matter to you being anti Ctown and anti LO, but to some of us it does. That's all I'm saying. If Souths took a game to Leichhardt I reckon a fuss would be made.
Well it's not the same, how long have Wests been playing out of CSS in some incarnation? Since 1987. They relocated from a torally different area of Sydney. Newtown played games out of CSS before Wests did, and if they hadn't folded, might still be there.

Balmain played out of LO since 1934, nobody else has held the ground and Balmain didn't relocate to LO.
I don't get what you are saying. Are you trying to say Balmain have a longer history at LO? That has nothing to do with what's being discussed.
Yes that is what I am saying. If Souths took a game to LO there would be a fuss because it's been the Tigers HG since it existed in 1934. Tigers have been the local side since 1908.

If Souths take games to CSS, they would be in a list of clubs to have done so and not even the first one to play there. There'd be a fuss but I'd understand if it's less so.
Let's forget about Balmain and the Magpies for a minute. In regards to WT's who were established in 2000 and who we all like to claim are a different club to its parent clubs, both Ctown and Leichhardt are equal, as they have been the two heartlands of the club since the beginning.

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Unread post by formerguest » Wed 11 Oct, 2017 10:59 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 6:21 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 5:02 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 1:44 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 11:47 am

Well it's not the same, how long have Wests been playing out of CSS in some incarnation? Since 1987. They relocated from a torally different area of Sydney. Newtown played games out of CSS before Wests did, and if they hadn't folded, might still be there.

Balmain played out of LO since 1934, nobody else has held the ground and Balmain didn't relocate to LO.
I don't get what you are saying. Are you trying to say Balmain have a longer history at LO? That has nothing to do with what's being discussed.
Yes that is what I am saying. If Souths took a game to LO there would be a fuss because it's been the Tigers HG since it existed in 1934. Tigers have been the local side since 1908.

If Souths take games to CSS, they would be in a list of clubs to have done so and not even the first one to play there. There'd be a fuss but I'd understand if it's less so.
Let's forget about Balmain and the Magpies for a minute. In regards to WT's who were established in 2000 and who we all like to claim are a different club to its parent clubs, both Ctown and Leichhardt are equal, as they have been the two heartlands of the club since the beginning.
And they are being treated as equals again this season, for better or for worse, despite the distance from longevity and financial base.


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Unread post by jirskyr » Thu 12 Oct, 2017 10:49 am

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 6:21 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 5:02 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 1:44 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 11:47 am

Well it's not the same, how long have Wests been playing out of CSS in some incarnation? Since 1987. They relocated from a torally different area of Sydney. Newtown played games out of CSS before Wests did, and if they hadn't folded, might still be there.

Balmain played out of LO since 1934, nobody else has held the ground and Balmain didn't relocate to LO.
I don't get what you are saying. Are you trying to say Balmain have a longer history at LO? That has nothing to do with what's being discussed.
Yes that is what I am saying. If Souths took a game to LO there would be a fuss because it's been the Tigers HG since it existed in 1934. Tigers have been the local side since 1908.

If Souths take games to CSS, they would be in a list of clubs to have done so and not even the first one to play there. There'd be a fuss but I'd understand if it's less so.
Let's forget about Balmain and the Magpies for a minute. In regards to WT's who were established in 2000 and who we all like to claim are a different club to its parent clubs, both Ctown and Leichhardt are equal, as they have been the two heartlands of the club since the beginning.
Honestly don't think you can do that. Either we forget Maggies and Tigers and play everything out of Homebush, or we recognise the heritage.

You can't say Leichhardt and Campbo are our heartlands but only give them consideration since 2000. Tell that to the supporters who turn up in Leumeah wearing Wests jerseys. By that argument Melbourne has an older heartland than WT do.

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Unread post by Harvey » Thu 12 Oct, 2017 5:11 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Thu 12 Oct, 2017 10:49 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 6:21 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 5:02 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Wed 11 Oct, 2017 1:44 pm

I don't get what you are saying. Are you trying to say Balmain have a longer history at LO? That has nothing to do with what's being discussed.
Yes that is what I am saying. If Souths took a game to LO there would be a fuss because it's been the Tigers HG since it existed in 1934. Tigers have been the local side since 1908.

If Souths take games to CSS, they would be in a list of clubs to have done so and not even the first one to play there. There'd be a fuss but I'd understand if it's less so.
Let's forget about Balmain and the Magpies for a minute. In regards to WT's who were established in 2000 and who we all like to claim are a different club to its parent clubs, both Ctown and Leichhardt are equal, as they have been the two heartlands of the club since the beginning.
Honestly don't think you can do that. Either we forget Maggies and Tigers and play everything out of Homebush, or we recognise the heritage.

You can't say Leichhardt and Campbo are our heartlands but only give them consideration since 2000. Tell that to the supporters who turn up in Leumeah wearing Wests jerseys. By that argument Melbourne has an older heartland than WT do.
Based on that argument don't we have more of a heartland at Allianz than ANZ?

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Unread post by gallagher » Thu 12 Oct, 2017 10:08 pm

Do the Broncos fund a junior nursery? Or do they just have the top 25 and the 20's , which has stopped anyway?

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Unread post by Geo. » Thu 12 Oct, 2017 10:13 pm

gallagher wrote:
Thu 12 Oct, 2017 10:08 pm
Do the Broncos fund a junior nursery? Or do they just have the top 25 and the 20's , which has stopped anyway?
Bronco Junior Clubs..Norths; Redcliffe; Wynumm; Wests Arana Hills; Toowoomba All Whites; Cannon Hill Stars; Banyo; Souths Logan; Souths Acacia Ridge...
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Geo nailed it...

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Unread post by gallagher » Thu 12 Oct, 2017 10:40 pm

Geo. wrote:
Thu 12 Oct, 2017 10:13 pm
gallagher wrote:
Thu 12 Oct, 2017 10:08 pm
Do the Broncos fund a junior nursery? Or do they just have the top 25 and the 20's , which has stopped anyway?
Bronco Junior Clubs..Norths; Redcliffe; Wynumm; Wests Arana Hills; Toowoomba All Whites; Cannon Hill Stars; Banyo; Souths Logan; Souths Acacia Ridge...
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Unread post by Chunk » Fri 13 Oct, 2017 6:35 pm

magpiecol wrote:
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What a rubbish article. The sooner we move away from being a suburban team the better. We want to be appealing to a much broader fan base than the local government area of MacArthur.
Have you seen the size of the MacArthur area? Methinks not.

It is HUGE and getting bigger every week. Wests (at present) have FOUR clubs within that area. There is also a very big Catholic Club and some others.

Have a drive down Camden Valley Way and check out the amount of new housing being developed.

A goldmine going to waste.

:crazy :crazy

Leichhardt Oval?? Give me a break.
That is sooo funny, we've been hearing the same line for the past 30 fricken years. There's no money or supporters at Macarthur and there never has been

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Unread post by Nucky Thompson » Wed 18 Oct, 2017 6:44 pm

Any one heard of the Oasis project . Joint venture between Liverpool council , the bulldogs leagues club, and Macquarie Bank. ??

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Unread post by Geo. » Wed 18 Oct, 2017 6:55 pm

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Any one heard of the Oasis project . Joint venture between Liverpool council , the bulldogs leagues club, and Macquarie Bank. ??
Yes pin pulled in 2002 and led to the Dogs being exposed as Salary Cap Cheats...
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Unread post by Nucky Thompson » Wed 18 Oct, 2017 8:34 pm

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/08/ ... 51214.html


Oasis or mirage

August 19 2002

The Bulldogs, already in strife for breaching the salary cap for rugby league players, now face scrutiny over a $900 million stadium and unit project with Liverpool Council. Anne Davies and Kate McClymont report.

The Oasis project was always ambitious. Heroic even. A 35,000-seat football stadium with retractable roof, indoor basketball stadium with a permanent ice rink under the floor, a water park with a surf beach, 2500 apartments and a club that never closes.

It's a big vision by anyone's standard, let alone one that is being undertaken by a council and a leagues club.

But now the vision is looking decidedly shaky.

The Oasis development is already highly controversial because the Bulldogs League Club wants to build a massive new club on one corner of the site, with 600 or more poker machines.

Now a jilted partner in the project, Macquarie Bank, has threatened to sue both Liverpool Council and the Canterbury Bulldogs for $1.2 million in fees; the Bulldogs have been forced to rewrite agreements with ADCO - the building company that happens also to be the Bulldogs' sponsor - to remove any suggestion the club was gaining a secret benefit from the project; and Liverpool Council has sent in the auditors.

What's more, work stopped last week on the first stage - the $33 million Arena, planned home to the Razorbacks basketball team - after it was discovered that Oasis did not have the necessary permissions from the council.

The pouring of the massive slab was halted last Tuesday after it was found there was no construction certificate.

Liverpool Council's general manager, Brian Carr, said it was likely the paper work would be remedied this week, but added: "Such documentation is always a serious matter."

Such a hiccup is embarrassing for the council, which has invested $22.5 million - equivalent to more than half a year's rates - in the development.

But now the council is digesting the news that its partner, the Bulldogs, is under investigation from the National Rugby League for breaches of the salary cap. The Herald revealed on Saturday that over the past two years the Bulldogs have paid players $1.5 million over the salary cap. The paper has since learned that a company associated with Al Constantinidis, International Sports Marketing, was used by the leagues club to make payments to players. The club transferred the money to ISM, which then wrote cheques to players, relatives or companies associated with players.

Mr Constantinidis, who rose to prominence as a result of his business dealings with the former prime minister Paul Keating, refused to comment on the allegations yesterday.

Following the revelations of payments above the salary cap, the competition leaders are now being branded cheats and accused of buying their way to the premiership. Bulldog officials will meet with NRL executives today to discuss their position. It is understood the club will fully co-operate with the NRL but on the condition that other clubs are rigorously examined as well.

Meanwhile, relations between Liverpool Council and the Bulldogs have already been strained. Two months ago, the council discovered its joint venture vehicle, controlled by the Bulldogs, had awarded the $33 million Arena project to ADCO, the building company whose logo appears on players' sleeves.

But the Bulldogs did not inform the council that they stood to gain additional sponsorship funds from ADCO.

The contract dated May 9, 2001, had a formula for bonus sponsorship payments: the more work ADCO got - from either renovations of the Bulldogs current club at Belmore or on the Oasis - the more the Bulldogs stood to gain. If ADCO got more than $50 million in work, the Bulldogs would receive about $400,000.

When council officials expressed their concern recently, the contract was cancelled and replaced with a new one.

"I got legal advice from Clayton Utz some time ago and they said there was no problem," said the president of the Bulldogs leagues club, Gary McIntyre. "But the perception might not be good and we crossed it out. It was 100 per cent legal and proper."

The Bulldogs also had sponsorship arrangements with telecommunications company NTG and electrical supplier Clipsal, which gave the firms a first and last right to bid for work on the Oasis project. If successful, they would give the Bulldogs more sponsorship.

"With regard to [these] two, there was only an option, so it didn't apply to this year," Mr McIntyre said. "The advice on both was that they were unenforceable clauses, and we went on record with the council telling them of it."

Also causing problems for the Bulldogs is their acrimonious split with Mr Constantinidis, the instigator of the Oasis project. The Bulldogs have sent faxes to sponsors and other parties telling them not to speak with or be seen with Mr Constantinidis.

The council has also learned that Mr Constantinidis, as well as being former project consultant to the Oasis, was a consultant to ADCO. "One of the reasons we parted company with him is that he would not disclose [his sponsorship arrangements] to us in writing," Mr McIntyre said.

Mr Constantinidis's presence was also causing consternation in Macquarie Street. The Herald understands that two government ministers met Bulldogs officials in June to tell them that unless Mr Constantinidis was removed from the project, the Government would not hand over a crucial piece of crown land.

Macquarie Bank, once a partner in the development, has fallen out with the Bulldogs and is alleging it is owed $1.2 million in past fees.

Following the bank's departure, the Bulldogs approached the Arab Bank, but that too fell through. To date, there has been no announcement as to how the Bulldogs plan to finance their share of the project.

There has been a stream of acrimonious letters leading to Macquarie Bank writing to the council and Bulldogs saying it is preparing a formal notice of a breach, which constitutes the first step toward litigation.

The Bulldogs are also waiting on their new club licence, which was rejected in March on the grounds that more poker machines would have a severe social impact on Liverpool, one of the poorest municipalities in Sydney. The appeal is due to be heard in November.

However, the Oasis has many high-profile supporters, including Steve and Mark Waugh and top-rating breakfast radio host Alan Jones. All appear on the promotional video. In his schoolmaster voice, Jones tells politicians to get behind this wonderful project.

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Unread post by Harvey » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 5:14 pm

The heartlands have been treated equitably. Both given games in crap time slots against opponents that will not bring a crowd with them

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Unread post by formerguest » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 7:57 pm

Nucky Thompson wrote:
Wed 18 Oct, 2017 6:44 pm
Any one heard of the Oasis project . Joint venture between Liverpool council , the bulldogs leagues club, and Macquarie Bank. ??
Wow, that's a blast from the past. Was building a home for a bank director at the time and things were said to be very shady to say the least.

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Unread post by Nucky Thompson » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 8:44 pm

formerguest wrote:
Thu 19 Oct, 2017 7:57 pm
Nucky Thompson wrote:
Wed 18 Oct, 2017 6:44 pm
Any one heard of the Oasis project . Joint venture between Liverpool council , the bulldogs leagues club, and Macquarie Bank. ??
Wow, that's a blast from the past. Was building a home for a bank director at the time and things were said to be very shady to say the least.
Yeah reading book on Eddie obied and was surprised to hear bull dogs had a crack at Liverpool already.

shady characters involved opens your eyes to corruption in Sydney.

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Unread post by TrueTiger » Thu 19 Oct, 2017 8:46 pm

formerguest wrote:
Thu 19 Oct, 2017 7:57 pm
Nucky Thompson wrote:
Wed 18 Oct, 2017 6:44 pm
Any one heard of the Oasis project . Joint venture between Liverpool council , the bulldogs leagues club, and Macquarie Bank. ??
Wow, that's a blast from the past. Was building a home for a bank director at the time and things were said to be very shady to say the least.

And guess whose name was linked to this shady deal and financial gain....the one and only

EDDY OBIED...who is now a disgraced Minister....
You may see me struggle...but you will never see me quit... :D

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