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Post by diedpretty » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 11:36 am

The trouble with the Wests Tigers
Mark Campbell Roar Pro
By Mark Campbell, 17 Dec 2017 Mark Campbell is a Roar Pro


The story or the Wests Tigers is an interesting one. The Wests Tigers are an amalgamation of two great foundation clubs who merged in the belief that survival instead of independence was their best option.

The Super League War wreaked havoc on the game, and the Western Suburb Magpies and the Balmain Tigers were both victims of its destruction.

However, the members of these two great clubs came together and to guarantee their place in the future and voted to merge as one. Since the 2000 season, a new club has operated.

Although, the club won a competition in 2005 under the guidance of Tim Sheens and came close a couple of years later the club has failed to achieve its potential. Why is this?

There are many variables to this question.

Although the club merged, it was in essence still two separate clubs trying to hold together a marriage when they still wanted to live the life of a bachelor. It was a single club in name only.

The Wests faction – of which there were Ashfield and Campbelltown – and the Balmain faction sat together at board level and tried to navigate their way forward.

Another issue was the club’s location. Wests Magpies based in Campbelltown operated out of the growing south-west. While the Balmain Tigers worked out of Leichhardt, the inner west of Sydney. Two polar opposites in the Sydney region. The club chose to train at Concord which is far closer to Balmain’s home then to the south-west.

As a neutral, I always found this decision boggling. I thought everyone would recognise that the south-west was going to be the growth area and so basing yourself in this area would have been beneficial.

In any case, success came after five years on the field when they won their maiden title in 2005. Unfortunately, progress was not occurring off it. The Balmain Leagues club faced battles and hurdles to stay solvent. Broken promises from the state government did the club no favours.


Furthermore, the Wests side of the joint venture was going through their own divisions. The foundations of the new club did appear to be built on sand.

In the end, the West Magpies disappeared from the NSW Cup, and the Balmain Tigers (who had partnered with Ryde – Eastwood much earlier) came together once more in 2013 and entered a Wests Tigers team in the NSW Cup.

This disjointed effort showed that it took 13 years for the club to try and solidify its branding as a single entity.

As always with rugby league, things are never so simple. The Balmain faction of the joint venture required funds from the NRL to stay afloat. The Wests side was travelling okay, and with Balmain struggling, this gave them the upper hand at board level.

From 2018 the Western Suburbs Magpies will re-join the NSW Cup. It will be the clubs 110th year in operation. They will act as the feeder team to the Wests Tigers. Unfortunately for Balmain fans, your day in the sun may be over.

Although the club still trains and operates out of Concord, apparently the club is looking to target the south-west with more intent. Yet, this refusal to make a permanent move highlights how the club struggles with itself.

I haven’t even mentioned all the internal dramas the club has faced. Players and coaches fight. The player and coach turnover do not help build a strong supporter base. This continuing revolving door does the young club no favours.

At the end of the 2017 season, the Wests Tigers boasted 17,686 members. This number had grown from its early origins; however, the Tigers should be a superpower of rugby league.

If they had held tight the old fans of Balmain – one of the code’s stronger teams regarding supporters – and the Magpies and unified them together from the outset, they would no doubt be a team that players would want to play for and that fans would want to support.

The solution to their problems is not easy. It may be painful. I’ll offer my two bobs worth as a neutral but, know that the hard-core fans will shoot them down. That’s okay. I get it. It’s your club. Despite this, my suggestions are as follows.

The Wests Tigers needs to move their administration out to the south-west of Sydney. Moreover, all training and all facilities associated with rugby league need to follow suit. The Campbelltown and MacArthur regions need to see and know that the club will represent them by being based among them. Serving an area when the club itself is based on the other side of Sydney does not work.

For the traditionalist, having the Western Suburbs Magpies and the Balmain Tigers operate at the NSW Cup level as separate single entities should be a goal. The two clubs could then act as a feeder into the elite level, but remember to keep those two clubs separate.

They are foundation clubs. They are proud clubs. They are clubs we should keep and honour. Playing in the NSW Cup alongside the likes of Newtown keeps tradition and the fans of those clubs in our game. Western Suburbs won four titles while Balmain 11. Losing these clubs is most certainly not in the interests of the game.

Finally, The Wests Tigers need to become independent from both the Balmain and Wests factions. Its board should consist of no one from these entities. It should be a real stand-alone organisation that has a single purpose and vision for itself, not for its predecessors.

It must strive to promote itself independently from the past while celebrating its short history. The club needs to engage the community and drive the membership model that is so successful around the world and with rugby leagues main competitor the AFL. If it does this, then the club going forward has a bright future.

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Post by Geo. » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 12:50 pm

What is a roar pro...?
Ivan's Laws

1. You are either on the Bus or you are off..
2. The Star of the Team is the Team
3. Be the player your teammates want to play with..

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Post by Telltails » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 1:08 pm

Who is Mark Campbell?

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Post by Balmain Boy » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 1:08 pm

Geo. wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 12:50 pm
Wgat is a roar pro...?
A bored teenager.

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Post by Don Kershane » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 3:56 pm

I didn't the article was too bad.Prefer to read an article like this which at least has some research,reason and suggestions.Much preferable to the half baked, biased, throw away "scoops" emanating from Rothfield and his lackeys.


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Post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 4:28 pm

Telltails wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 1:08 pm
Who is Mark Campbell?
I'll take garbage amateur website journalists for $200, thank Alex.
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Post by happy tiger » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 4:46 pm

Few issues he hits the mark

Two sides in NSWRL is complete stupidity

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Post by Russell » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 5:16 pm

If he had written this, maybe six months ago - the article may have had some relevance. Unfortunately for Mark Campbell he didn't and so he has become a "Roar Irrelevant" not a "Roar Pro."

* He fails to mention that a lot of players want to play for Wests Tigers. That it why we have the biggest recruitment year since the club started.

* That there is no infighting between Management, coaches, players or anyone else.

* Wests have put up the money - Wests are entitled to rule the board - (when and if Balmain ever become financial again - they may get their places on the board back).

* So... Wests Tigers have one Premiership in the past 17 years - Is that any different than St. George- Illawarra, Newcastle, Canterbury-Bankstown, Brisbane, South Sydney, Penrith, Cronulla- Sutherland and the Cowboys - obviously, Mark these clubs have failed to reach their potential as well (more than half of the teams in the competition. Let's single out the Tigers though.

* Wests Tigers are one of the most focused community oriented clubs in the NRL – spending a great deal of time in the SW of Sydney.

*Let's not get into the whole Macarthur/sw region v's inner west thing. Tigers have limited support in the Macarthur region - We have over 10,000 members for 2018 and are not into that year yet.

*Mark you say a couple of times you are neutral - I say you either have an axe to grind or you are an incompetent pretend journalist.

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Post by old man tiger » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 6:03 pm

Yawn, great research chump....I might go write an article on bitcoin, because I read something on the internet once.

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Post by helmesy » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 7:20 pm

Sick of hearing about it all tbh.

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 7:55 pm

Didn’t seem to be too far off reality, he did’nt expect to get much agreement here, but very few stories about us ,that isn’t just a syrupy love fest, wil ever get much support,
It’s funny though, that the league has talked and talked over the years, about the sleeping giant in Sydney’s South West being just waiting to be awakened.
The Giant is still snoring peacefully,
The League (and Wests and Balmain ), have never been serious about the South West being a part of Wests Tigers, at least that’s what it seems like from outside.
To me it always looked like a half hearted attempt to pick up some supporters without putting themselves out too much.
Just on one of Russell s points.
If reports of payments are even close, it could be said that being paid overs is one of the reasons for some players coming here. The question is that if they go ok; how many will stay,
When we see players taking even small unders to come here, we may have something to crow about, we may be on the way out of the basement, but there’s a long way to go

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Post by momo&medo » Mon 18 Dec, 2017 8:20 pm

We are doing OK ..... but we do need some people with influence and deep pockets to kick us along. Once on field success arrives we will show the NRL what powerbase we can achieve.
Just look at the crowds we were pulling in 2000.

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Post by Onthebus » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 8:51 am

Win games and all the BS he wrote will be thrown out the window

Simple

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Post by jirskyr » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 10:16 am

Don't take offence folks, just an opinion.

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Post by Russell » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 11:42 am

Onthebus wrote:
Tue 19 Dec, 2017 8:51 am
Win games and all the BS he wrote will be thrown out the window

Simple
I Threw it out the window anyway!!!!

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Post by Tigerdon » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 11:59 am

Geo. wrote:
Mon 18 Dec, 2017 12:50 pm
What is a roar pro...?
It’s a prostitute.



But they have misspelt roar.
Should be Raw Prostitute.
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Post by Abraham » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 1:04 pm

I don't think any of these points have been discussed on here before.

Ever.

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Post by happy tiger » Tue 19 Dec, 2017 3:01 pm

Can't work out how moving the administration out to the South West will help us with the Campbelltown /MacArthur region

Unless it is 50 % cheaper to do so , what benefit at all would be achieved

Will fans care , not really

Will it help recruitment and retention No

Will it help attract more sponsors No

Will it attract more memberships Not likely

I think it has an answer then

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