Reallistic Assesment....

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Re: Reallistic Assesment....

Post by TrueTiger » Mon 02 Jul, 2018 9:01 am

Eddie wrote:
Sun 01 Jul, 2018 8:34 pm
Snake wrote:
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Thinking that 2019 is already shaping itself as a non event ...a forward pack with mostly non performing players on long contracts and will be a year older ,Reynolds who knows how many games in him,Farah -Benji gone ,Liddle big question mark ,KevN gone ...unless there is a substantial influx of top line players I see next season as a goner already ...Cleary seems to be struggling to get anything out of them ATM .So depressing!
Thats the risk with this sort of rebuild- Signing a number of experienced players who were coming off average seasons.

You get an early siege mentality but it doesn't last. IF it starts to go to turd early then you can dig a hole for a couple of years to come.

In hindsight i wonder how many of the players be bought were great signings?

The only only I kind of liked was Packer and he is turning into a dud.

Cleary has had 12 months I want to see the team improving slowly (like they did back end of last year)
I did say in the opening thread that most people continue to view our team as fringe first graders and jouneymen...Ivan gets 10/10 for changing the atrocious culture we had within the club,he has tried to recruit well while getting the cap sorted,he has bought Mbye and Farah in mid season to strengthen the spine..
To be honest RF,Mbye and Reynolds played well considering they had a very short period of time to train together for this game....they did do very well first up together..Although Corey had a shocker with errors,can we honestly bag the hell out of him when all season he has been shuffled from FB to wing and vice versa,but has been performing fantasticlly and earning coudos for his guts and determination..
Brooks may have been a little off due to Robbies return and who really knows what Ivans instructions were prior to the game...for once Ivan has got a specialist DH on the field...Lawrence,Kev,Twal all played well...
Packer may still be value,I honestly think he is still playing injured but Ivan plays him for the leadership value(Im really not sure why)..
Overall the performance yesterday was an error filled game that usually those that made that many errors dont...
Do we continue to view this team as a rabble or do we keep supporting them in the hope that they will all gel and finish the season off well.?..after all they are no team of superstars like Storm or Roorters...
The last comment I would make is...when Packer,Reynolds,Tui and Benj got injured early on in the season after the good victories we had,I think the wind was knocked out of their sails and have lacked confidence since those close losses..
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Post by Onthebus » Mon 02 Jul, 2018 9:05 am

We will end up with the spoon if we continue to dish up performances like yesterday

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Post by TrueTiger » Mon 02 Jul, 2018 9:30 am

Marshall_magic wrote:
Sun 01 Jul, 2018 8:08 pm
At the start of the season, even though we were winning the results didn't matter. Our guys were working hard for each other, and everyone was putting in. Even if we were scraping 78th minute wins the performances were acceptable. That's long gone now and we are reverting to the mediocrity of the previous 5 seasons. I don't think we can make the finals, we probably don't have the talent, but if we can find that steel again then this season can go down as a success, and if we build on it in 2019 that can be a success too.
If our performances were very stellar at the start of the season,can you or anybody else tell me why we have gone backwards so quickly these last few weeks..??
To be fair we were all behind the team and Ivan was an inspiration getting our team to beat Storm and Chooks early...the loss to Broncos still leaves a bad taste in my mouth...but they were going well..I will agree that the team lacks talented players in key roles such as a potent second rower and centre...the DH may now be fixed and with Mbye at the back with Grub back at 5/8 things just may improve in the next few weeks..I dont know the answer ...bar an influx of money and another roster cleanout...
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Post by Geo. » Mon 02 Jul, 2018 9:33 am

Simply not good enough on all levels FAIL
Ivan's Laws

1. You are either on the Bus or you are off..
2. The Star of the Team is the Team
3. Be the player your teammates want to play with..

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Post by TrueTiger » Mon 02 Jul, 2018 9:35 am

Geo. wrote:
Mon 02 Jul, 2018 9:33 am
Simply not good enough on all levels FAIL
Do you mean the game yesterday or the club as a whole,from coaching staff,players and admin.....
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Post by magpiecol » Tue 03 Jul, 2018 12:42 am

We need a couple of centres, a winger or two, a smart halfback and about four forwards.

All of the above need to be able to hold onto a football.

Speaking of the forwards I would keep the following in first grade or on the bench:-

Packer, Materlino, Lawrence, Liddle/Farah, Marsters, Garner.

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Post by Needaname » Tue 03 Jul, 2018 6:40 am

TrueTiger wrote:
Mon 02 Jul, 2018 9:30 am
Marshall_magic wrote:
Sun 01 Jul, 2018 8:08 pm
At the start of the season, even though we were winning the results didn't matter. Our guys were working hard for each other, and everyone was putting in. Even if we were scraping 78th minute wins the performances were acceptable. That's long gone now and we are reverting to the mediocrity of the previous 5 seasons. I don't think we can make the finals, we probably don't have the talent, but if we can find that steel again then this season can go down as a success, and if we build on it in 2019 that can be a success too.
If our performances were very stellar at the start of the season,can you or anybody else tell me why we have gone backwards so quickly these last few weeks..??
To be fair we were all behind the team and Ivan was an inspiration getting our team to beat Storm and Chooks early...the loss to Broncos still leaves a bad taste in my mouth...but they were going well..I will agree that the team lacks talented players in key roles such as a potent second rower and centre...the DH may now be fixed and with Mbye at the back with Grub back at 5/8 things just may improve in the next few weeks..I dont know the answer ...bar an influx of money and another roster cleanout...
I think we are too concerned with our attack.
We have gone back to panicking and trying to pull a play out of our bum.

Titans were all over us from the 2nd set. We had one good defensive set first up. From then on it was the Titans.
Every player was bending the first man in defence, finding their front and quickly playing the ball. We were very lucky to get those tries. Absolute run always with no possession. But then once the grind was needed we dropped our handle.
Mbye was good, but our defencive positioning on our goal line was terrible. Partly the individuals are to blame for having no clue of where to stand, but part of that falls on the fullback to organise that line.
I’d say Ivan would of picked up on that and being an unknown at fullback prior to the start of this season, Ivan, Hodgson and Mbye can still build of that.
Ryan James’ first try was appalling and an example of above.

We can turn it around but it will take work. Maybe with the pressure of making the finals removed we can get back to being able to find a game style with a balance in attack and defence that works for us.

1) Ivan, pick a fit team, no players with niggles, if Packer, Matolino and McQueen can’t make an impact and play longer than 30 minutes in first grade without sucking in the big ones. Rest them until they are ready. Packer looks like he needs to regain his match fitness. Hopefully the bye will help.
2) Hit and stick. Use those shoulders, hurt the opposition. Get aggressive.
We have lacked that especially from our front row pretty much since the Melbourne game!
3) Build pressure. We have gone away from setting up plays to allow for a grubber into the line.
4) Teach our halves the low / mid cross field Kick. Every other team has this at it’s disposal. I’m starting to think Brooks can only kick along the ground or straight into the air.
5) Time to Blood Garner. Bring him in. Straight into right 2nd row. There is no better option so no time like the present. We had McQueen start and play 30mins in total. What’s up with that?
6) Benji slots back into 5/8. Reynolds to Supersub.

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Post by happy tiger » Tue 03 Jul, 2018 6:50 am

magpiecol wrote:
Tue 03 Jul, 2018 12:42 am
We need a couple of centres, a winger or two, a smart halfback and about four forwards.

All of the above need to be able to hold onto a football.

Speaking of the forwards I would keep the following in first grade or on the bench:-

Packer, Materlino, Lawrence, Liddle/Farah, Marsters, Garner.
Your going to keep Garner in 1st grade Col :?

He hasn't even debuted in 1st grade yet , at this stage we have no idea if he will even cope with the step up

Deserves a shot yes

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Post by Snake » Tue 03 Jul, 2018 7:12 am

No one can say they are happy with what has payed out over the last 2.5months after such a positive start .
What is over achieving ,last Sunday 2 class players added probable the best team selected that has previously performed well ,sell out ground ...so what is dished up !
Paragraphs after paragraphs can be written why this team has overachieved ,IMO I do not think they overachieved at all .
The start of the season was played with a totally different attitude and conviction that has been displayed over the last 2.5months , whether the team make the 8 or not is not the issue ,when the Overachieved word is rolled out that is just an excuse for Underachievement . There is more going on behind the scenes that has attributed to the downward spiral the team is in it is not overachievement that is for sure.

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Post by TIGER » Tue 03 Jul, 2018 8:38 am

magpiecol wrote:
Tue 03 Jul, 2018 12:42 am
We need a couple of centres, a winger or two, a smart halfback and about four forwards.

All of the above need to be able to hold onto a football.

Speaking of the forwards I would keep the following in first grade or on the bench:-

Packer, Materlino, Lawrence, Liddle/Farah, Marsters, Garner.
You're keeping the 2 worst offenders. Packerlino are the problem, zero go forward.
Both of them need to be dropped.

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Post by TrueTiger » Tue 03 Jul, 2018 8:45 am

TIGER wrote:
Tue 03 Jul, 2018 8:38 am
magpiecol wrote:
Tue 03 Jul, 2018 12:42 am
We need a couple of centres, a winger or two, a smart halfback and about four forwards.

All of the above need to be able to hold onto a football.

Speaking of the forwards I would keep the following in first grade or on the bench:-

Packer, Materlino, Lawrence, Liddle/Farah, Marsters, Garner.
You're keeping the 2 worst offenders. Packerlino are the problem, zero go forward.
Both of them need to be dropped.
I have to agree to a point,however in Packers defense,he played very well at the start of the season until he got injured...not making excuses but maybe his injury is still not right,he needs to lift when in fg or be sidelined until he is fit...but who do we replace him with...
Materlino has to step up or step out,he does seem to be dissapointing considering he was a great purchase in the begining..
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Post by Cultured Bogan » Tue 03 Jul, 2018 9:45 am

TIGERPOWER wrote:
Wed 27 Jun, 2018 1:40 pm
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The bar was raised at the beginning of the year. You can't see us play that well then turn around and say this squad needs time. Excuses excuses.
So your saying injuries to key players have had no impact on us? Or key players like your favourite lolohea not turning up has had no impact. Or key refereeing decisions that have cost us at least 2 games. Your agenda is so obvious, start supporting the team mate not ex coaches who are no longer here.
Gunners has a point. We were knocking off teams that will go on to play finals footy. We hit a wall and then fell off a cliff. We don't need time, the players need to find the form they had at the start of the year. It starts with the forwards aiming up again and having a go.
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Post by Marshall_magic » Tue 03 Jul, 2018 8:45 pm

TrueTiger wrote:
Mon 02 Jul, 2018 9:30 am
Marshall_magic wrote:
Sun 01 Jul, 2018 8:08 pm
At the start of the season, even though we were winning the results didn't matter. Our guys were working hard for each other, and everyone was putting in. Even if we were scraping 78th minute wins the performances were acceptable. That's long gone now and we are reverting to the mediocrity of the previous 5 seasons. I don't think we can make the finals, we probably don't have the talent, but if we can find that steel again then this season can go down as a success, and if we build on it in 2019 that can be a success too.
If our performances were very stellar at the start of the season,can you or anybody else tell me why we have gone backwards so quickly these last few weeks..??
To be fair we were all behind the team and Ivan was an inspiration getting our team to beat Storm and Chooks early...the loss to Broncos still leaves a bad taste in my mouth...but they were going well..I will agree that the team lacks talented players in key roles such as a potent second rower and centre...the DH may now be fixed and with Mbye at the back with Grub back at 5/8 things just may improve in the next few weeks..I dont know the answer ...bar an influx of money and another roster cleanout...
Teams get a little slicker in attack and become a little tougher to hold out? Players can't maintain that level of intensity in defence for an entire season? I guess it's up to Ivan and co to figure it out.

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Post by Donald Trump » Wed 04 Jul, 2018 7:05 pm

We suck
Let's make the Tigers great again!

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