We Must Do this.

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Re: We Must Do this.

Post by gallagher » Thu 05 Jul, 2018 7:22 pm

Newtown wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 5:48 pm
Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 1:30 pm
I would love to see Farah with 300 NRL FG games after his name but who knows where or when. Like waiting for Serena Wlliams break Margaret Court's record.
Wests Tigers have a lot more problems than having Farah break 300 games. This club has to be run a lot more like a business than a charity. That's why the club is where it is now.
This is the bottom line.


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Post by innsaneink » Thu 05 Jul, 2018 7:30 pm

TIGER wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 7:05 pm
old man tiger wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 5:55 pm
Icon wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 5:00 pm
innsaneink wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 4:40 pm
It seems some people here need to constantly remind others of what they thought or predicted earlier, they need to be proven right constantly...is it an ego thing or justification issues?
Knowing your stuff here is very very important...LOL
well said,

also, the way we turn on our players is depressing, footy is a great pass time, but its just a sport. I'm not being dismissive, I actually go to all the games while in Oz, but it's just a game, and these people you follow are real people with real life issues. Be a bit kinder in your comments.
Great post Icon, especially the last bit.

I get frustrated with players and have given up after having faith until last week, but these are just people at the end of the day. In fairness this thread has been mostly ok in the comments imo, but some of the other threads are in pretty poor taste. I hope the "realists" are happier with actual reality!

Not meaning to single you out because you used that word Tiger. Since the Farah debacle version 1.0 I have stopped judging people for their posts on any single topic because most of the time I agree with them on some things and on others I don't.

I'm commenting more on how the mood gets here when the season is over prematurely year after year. I get why, but we are still responsible for what we say or type, game day thread excluded imo because the games are periods of heightened stress and major disappointment.
Well said

But I have no problem with people giving their opinion about a "football player".

Some need to distinguish the difference between commenting on a players ability as a footballer and them as a "person".

I understand they are people, I've had friends in the past who have played NRL, I've driven them to and from training, I've hung out with them on their days off etc
I'm not criticising them as a person, I don't know them so why would I.

I have a question for anyone who doesn't like others giving their opinion on players when they're not performing.

Is it OK to give a player a wrap when they play well?
If your answer is Yes (which it should be)

What's your problem with pointing out when they play crap?


Some only seem to notice the negative things people say and ignore the positive.
I give credit when it's deserved and I'll comment when I see the opposite and I won't apologize for doing so.

It's not as if I'm writing and sending players hate mail to their house.
Just to be clear, Ive no problem with this.
Im probably less critical now than I used to be, I think Im just tired and its an ongoing thing here at WTs year after year= futile really.
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Post by TigerTiger » Thu 05 Jul, 2018 7:40 pm

We needed a hooker badly, Liddle injured, so IC got Robbie back. Great move, builds culture, builds public faith, hopefully improves Liddle

We needed a fullback, Lolo didnt work out, so IC got MBye. Again great move, high quality, Dogs even paying some of his wage. I'll repeat, Bulldogs are paying someone to play at Wests Tigers! Good to have it this way for a change.

It's pretty clear what Ivan's plan is, we just got to let him do it:
  • Build a squad of average guys who work hard
  • Make them work harder, develop that working hard mentality, so they can actually sustain it, build a culture
  • Upgrade players individually, where need be (just about all of them barring a very few)
  • Profit (Finals)
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Post by KevB » Thu 05 Jul, 2018 7:49 pm

TIGER wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 12:02 pm
tonza wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 11:30 am
TIGER wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 11:12 am
It's a bit concerning that we've signed 3 players with injury problems that we already knew about on long term deals.

Matulino
McQueen
Reynolds

Then we've got
Lolo - who is finished as far as I'm concerned

Nofo - Injury and form problems, Best is behind him

Taylor - Who is also done as a footballer, just has no zip in his legs at all.

Eiso - I can't see him improving

Sue - Stagnant

Garlic sauce - Is a mystery

Chee cam - Can't see improvement

Liddle - ????

Rochow - We've seen his best and it's average at best.

Twal - Even have my doubts although he's been solid I'm not sure he gets much better

Benji - Probably retires

Gamble - ????

Packer - A dud

Our engine room looks like its got oil leaks everywhere and has been patched up with sticky tape, and its flooded.

We have massive problems scoring points, we've gone from being known as an attacking team to a defensive team (for 6 weeks) to a team that can't do either well, we're all at sea at the moment.
And dry land isn't on the horizon.

I'll make a prediction now that we won't make the 8 for the next 3 years and we'll go closer to getting the spoon than we will 8th spot.

And Ivan will be sacked or not re-signed.
I see you are definitely a " glass half empty " sort of guy. Why do you bother following the side at all. Must be depressive?
Well I guess if the glass looks half empty to me I'll say it's half empty.
Just call it how I see it.

Have you got something to add that I might have missed that might sway me to see it half full?
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Post by NT Tiger » Thu 05 Jul, 2018 8:16 pm

KevB wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 7:49 pm
Zoloft
I laughed
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Post by timmings01 » Thu 05 Jul, 2018 9:42 pm

So did I.

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Post by Russell » Thu 05 Jul, 2018 10:18 pm

TIGER wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 7:05 pm
old man tiger wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 5:55 pm
Icon wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 5:00 pm
innsaneink wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 4:40 pm
It seems some people here need to constantly remind others of what they thought or predicted earlier, they need to be proven right constantly...is it an ego thing or justification issues?
Knowing your stuff here is very very important...LOL
well said,

also, the way we turn on our players is depressing, footy is a great pass time, but its just a sport. I'm not being dismissive, I actually go to all the games while in Oz, but it's just a game, and these people you follow are real people with real life issues. Be a bit kinder in your comments.
Great post Icon, especially the last bit.

I get frustrated with players and have given up after having faith until last week, but these are just people at the end of the day. In fairness this thread has been mostly ok in the comments imo, but some of the other threads are in pretty poor taste. I hope the "realists" are happier with actual reality!

Not meaning to single you out because you used that word Tiger. Since the Farah debacle version 1.0 I have stopped judging people for their posts on any single topic because most of the time I agree with them on some things and on others I don't.

I'm commenting more on how the mood gets here when the season is over prematurely year after year. I get why, but we are still responsible for what we say or type, game day thread excluded imo because the games are periods of heightened stress and major disappointment.
Well said

But I have no problem with people giving their opinion about a "football player".

Some need to distinguish the difference between commenting on a players ability as a footballer and them as a "person".

I understand they are people, I've had friends in the past who have played NRL, I've driven them to and from training, I've hung out with them on their days off etc
I'm not criticising them as a person, I don't know them so why would I.

I have a question for anyone who doesn't like others giving their opinion on players when they're not performing.

Is it OK to give a player a wrap when they play well?
If your answer is Yes (which it should be)

What's your problem with pointing out when they play crap?

Some only seem to notice the negative things people say and ignore the positive.
I give credit when it's deserved and I'll comment when I see the opposite and I won't apologize for doing so.

It's not as if I'm writing and sending players hate mail to their house.
I have no problem with fair criticism - what racks me off is the name calling of players. Say what you like (not you in particular Tiger) but why do we have to name call?

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Post by sideline eye » Fri 06 Jul, 2018 10:18 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 4:40 pm
It seems some people here need to constantly remind others of what they thought or predicted earlier, they need to be proven right constantly...is it an ego thing or justification issues?
Knowing your stuff here is very very important...LOL
Couldn't agree more. Cringeworthy.

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Post by Byron Bay Fan » Fri 06 Jul, 2018 11:37 pm

Russell wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 10:18 pm
............
I have no problem with fair criticism - what racks me off is the name calling of players. Say what you like (not you in particular Tiger) but why do we have to name call?
But Tiger did name player Garlic Sauce so Tiger is guilty your Honour - I am still trying to figure who he is referring to?
Malcolm Knox: What has happened this week is a pity for the Tigers, a pity for Jason Taylor and a pity for Robbie Farah, who had achieved more than the Big Four put together but was somehow turned into collateral damage. (SMH 25-26 March, 2017)

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Post by TIGER » Tue 10 Jul, 2018 4:15 pm

Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Fri 06 Jul, 2018 11:37 pm
Russell wrote:
Thu 05 Jul, 2018 10:18 pm
............
I have no problem with fair criticism - what racks me off is the name calling of players. Say what you like (not you in particular Tiger) but why do we have to name call?
But Tiger did name player Garlic Sauce so Tiger is guilty your Honour - I am still trying to figure who he is referring to?
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Post by Silentio » Tue 10 Jul, 2018 4:28 pm

I spent most of my law degree looking at cute girls and don't know the fine print on NRL contracts, but I suspect it might be difficult to cut some of these guys from our apron strings.

Remember, we were the club that sacked Tim Sheens mid-contract and seemed surprised when he wanted the contract paid out.

It does raise the question, do we have adequate measures in place to avoid signing up medical basket cases? The club's pre-season promo flick seemed to show we have some well-qualified medical and sports science staff.

Knowing this, the evidence points to a mega fail from management and the board asleep at the wheel.

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