Has this year been a success?

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Re: Has this year been a success?

Post by happy tiger » Thu 26 Jul, 2018 9:37 am

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2018 has been a very good year. Some might say I am easy pleased and set a very low bar,but in my eyes this has been a very good year.

At the start of the year, outside our supporters everyone had us bottom three with plenty thinking wooden spoon. Than we lost our no6 for the best part of a year before a ball was kicked off. Our planned no1 did not work out, we lost our possible centre combo before the start of the season and our no 9 did not come back from surgery as we expected. On top of that we got some very average calls in games that probably should have gone the other way.

Most players have improved, Brooks and Lawrence, two whipping boys on this forum in previous years have been in career best form. For the first time in yonks we have beaten the top sides. I doubt we will make the eight but we will be close.

Off the field we would be close to premiers. Memberships,sponsorships and attendances have all been very strong. This is a big effort for a club who have been down for a few years.

If we can jag a couple of quality recruits, I see this club making some bigger steps next year.
Again I agree depending on what happens the next 6 weeks

As you said the bar was set extremely low , no limbo dancer was getting under that :D


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Post by Swordy » Thu 26 Jul, 2018 3:32 pm

Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Thu 26 Jul, 2018 8:43 am
Swordy wrote:
Thu 26 Jul, 2018 7:28 am
Byron Bay Fan wrote:
Wed 25 Jul, 2018 9:57 pm
But seeing Farah out cold last week and with nothing else to prove if he hung up his boots tonight well done. Imagine how his dad, who escorted him onto the field, felt seeing him like that. I read "somewhere else" one of the posters did a count of how many times that Cammy was tackled in a game and it was only once - he gets rid of the ball one way or another so Cammy can go around safely for years extra.
He plays first grade. Im sure he's tough enough.
How did his Dad feel? Probably the same as Garners Dad and Nofo's Dad and ET's dad and Sue's Dad every other week. Really? Are we supposed to feel some extra pride because he got knocked out?
I can't figure out where I have implied pride anywhere. He could hang up his boots because he has nothing else to prove or really achieve and in a manner does not need any more severe knocks. He is targeted because he is a linchpin. He got an excellent 250th reception and a great game by the boys "for him" - a lot better than Sutton received. He can happily ride off into the sunset any time now.
I think your smart enough to understand what is written. Take it anyway you want. I don't play word games or semantics. You win, next topic.
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Post by jirskyr » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 12:51 pm

I was looking at the ladder this morning; after 20 matches we are 50% wins.

In the 18 previous seasons, WT have only had better than 50% win rate on 4 occasions (22%), which is obviously an ordinary record. 3/4 of those seasons were finals seasons where are 100% to get past Week 1 and 67% to get past Week 2 of the finals. 2009 we won 50% of matches, but were obviously pushed into 9th by Parra who went all the way to the GF.

So if we win 2/4 of remaining games, which is feasible if unfavoured, we would finish with 12/24 wins and probably miss out on the finals. This year is a little odd in that the Top 8 is very compressed - only 3 wins separate 1st and 8th. In that respect we are quite far off the pace, considering we are 2 wins adrift of 8th and a similar gap separates 8th from 2nd. That also makes it unfortunate for us, as it's difficult to sneak into 8th.

Of all seasons since 2005, 21 teams have finished the season with 50% win record and 14 of those (67%) made the Top 8 - i.e. it's more likely that not. In 2007 Canterbury finished 6th with 50% wins, but in 2006 and 2014 both Warriors and Parra (resp.) finished 10th.

In the same period, 15 teams finished the year with 54% wins (13/24) and 100% of those made the finals (excluding Parra who won 13/24 in 2016 but were docked points for salary cap).

In that respect, Tigers could still miss the 2018 finals quite conceivably with 13/24 wins (3 out of next 4), which has never happened in the last 14 seasons.

All that boils down to say that if we keep going on this trajectory, then 50% wins would be equal 3rd best result of all time for WT, if measured on wins alone. In that respect it would be an achievement, and improvement... possibly a success.

With respect to making the finals, it's unlikely we will do so, even though we might finish with a respectable win record. In 2005 we won just 14/24 games!!!

It appears though a quirky Top 8 will make it more difficult than usual to finish in the finals this year.

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Post by Tiger Steve » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 1:27 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Mon 06 Aug, 2018 12:51 pm
I was looking at the ladder this morning; after 20 matches we are 50% wins.

In the 18 previous seasons, WT have only had better than 50% win rate on 4 occasions (22%), which is obviously an ordinary record. 3/4 of those seasons were finals seasons where are 100% to get past Week 1 and 67% to get past Week 2 of the finals. 2009 we won 50% of matches, but were obviously pushed into 9th by Parra who went all the way to the GF.

So if we win 2/4 of remaining games, which is feasible if unfavoured, we would finish with 12/24 wins and probably miss out on the finals. This year is a little odd in that the Top 8 is very compressed - only 3 wins separate 1st and 8th. In that respect we are quite far off the pace, considering we are 2 wins adrift of 8th and a similar gap separates 8th from 2nd. That also makes it unfortunate for us, as it's difficult to sneak into 8th.

Of all seasons since 2005, 21 teams have finished the season with 50% win record and 14 of those (67%) made the Top 8 - i.e. it's more likely that not. In 2007 Canterbury finished 6th with 50% wins, but in 2006 and 2014 both Warriors and Parra (resp.) finished 10th.

In the same period, 15 teams finished the year with 54% wins (13/24) and 100% of those made the finals (excluding Parra who won 13/24 in 2016 but were docked points for salary cap).

In that respect, Tigers could still miss the 2018 finals quite conceivably with 13/24 wins (3 out of next 4), which has never happened in the last 14 seasons.

All that boils down to say that if we keep going on this trajectory, then 50% wins would be equal 3rd best result of all time for WT, if measured on wins alone. In that respect it would be an achievement, and improvement... possibly a success.

With respect to making the finals, it's unlikely we will do so, even though we might finish with a respectable win record. In 2005 we won just 14/24 games!!!

It appears though a quirky Top 8 will make it more difficult than usual to finish in the finals this year.
Thanks for this analysis.

So against our own standards, this year has been a success BUT are our own historical standards the yardstick we want to measure success against?
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Post by Byron Bay Fan » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 1:45 pm

Considering we the lost The Big Three and Liddle in the half-way house it is a reasonable result. Any more famous oldies we can drag in for another season at this level till we get over cap and injury problems well and truly?
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Post by Geo. » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 1:49 pm

No finals = FAIL..

you can put pretty bows around it all you like..

Improvement in defence and attitude is a big positive and something to build on...I think attack suffered from not having a settled 1 6 7 and 9 and the lack of strike out wide for the majority of the season..hard to build any sort of combo when you half rarely got the same 1 6 and 9 two weeks in a row...we have looked better in the last month with Mbye and Farah adding some stability..
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
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Post by hobbo » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 1:54 pm

Lay down sally’s
We need mongrel ..
No more plodders !

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 2:39 pm

It's a immediate fail if we do not make the eight. Given the way we dropped our bundle after the start to the year I would even say that if we get bundled out week 1 of the finals it is still a fail.

We had a golden run to start the year and then capitulated.

There's pleasing signs that the team is competing for full games now instead of drifting in and out (we're not totally over that yet either, but getting there,) defence looks better with only one serious thrashing dealt out this year and we took some pretty big scalps which shows we can mix it with the best when we are at ours.

In a competition where half the teams go into a finals series it's hard to mark a bottom eight finish as anything other than a fail.
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Post by clifferdSH » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 2:50 pm

I guess one positive spin is our defense. If youd have said coming into round 21 we'd have the 4th best D I'd have said you're smoking meth

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Post by Telltails » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 3:14 pm

Not sure you can call it a fail when all things are not equal. For a start we dont all play the same teams twice and the resources of each club are vastly different on and off the field as we all discuss regularly, yet still measure ourselves against them.
I would be measuring more against ourselves and I would say that we are in a far better position this year on and off the field than we were in the previous year, and vastly better than the year before that. Whether that equates to being successful is debatable, but we all have different levels of what a successful year is anyway.

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Post by Harvey » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 4:50 pm

If we measure ourselves against team outside the 8, it is a fall. A pass there would see us playing finals football

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Post by TigerSJ » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 6:08 pm

Telltails has a very good point. If you measure our success against recent seasons and whether we have achieved the best WE could be (taking into account who we are and what we have at our disposal), then we have had a mixed year. At times we have truly succeeded in reaching our potential and at other times we have let ourselves down. So reviewing our season in this light, it's been a mixed bag - definitely not a failure, certainly an improvement and possibly the beginning of future success!

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 6:25 pm

It’s ok to think that we were not going to amount to much before the season started, but that excuse went out the window after the start we made. If the question was posed after we thrashed Manly that if we didn’t make the 8 from that point, would the season be a failure, I think it would be almost a unanimous yes. We’ve won 3 of our last 4 and are giving ourselves a chance, but we shouldn’t be in this position. After the start we had, we should be fighting it out for a place in the top 4, not an outside chance of finishing 8th. From that point of view, it’s been a failure.

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Post by cqtiger » Mon 06 Aug, 2018 6:31 pm

I had been quite content with our season until results against Raiders, Titans and Bulldogs recently.

Memories of the good old Tigers came flooding back. So a “NO” from me.
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Post by trafford10 » Tue 07 Aug, 2018 11:32 am

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Mon 06 Aug, 2018 6:25 pm
It’s ok to think that we were not going to amount to much before the season started, but that excuse went out the window after the start we made. If the question was posed after we thrashed Manly that if we didn’t make the 8 from that point, would the season be a failure, I think it would be almost a unanimous yes. We’ve won 3 of our last 4 and are giving ourselves a chance, but we shouldn’t be in this position. After the start we had, we should be fighting it out for a place in the top 4, not an outside chance of finishing 8th. From that point of view, it’s been a failure.
You guys don't have a top 4 roster, not even close.
From outside looking in I think you have had a good season and if you win the next 4 games you make the finals.
You beat Souffs a few weeks ago so on your day you can beat the top teams.
Also you had that Brisbane game taken away from you by an really bad ref call, those 2 points would be handy now.
I don't think you will make the 8 this season, but you are in a good position with your roster to improve next season.

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Post by Mac » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 4:25 pm

What would this multi pay?

Tigers win last 4 games
Panthers lose last 4 games
Warriors win 2, lose 2
Broncos win 2, lose 2
Sharks win 2 lose 2

Then the ladder would look something like this after the last round -

1 Souths
2 Storm
3 Roosters
4 Dragons
5 Sharks
6 Brisbane
7 Tigers
8 Warriors
9 Panthers

Looks OK to me :)

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Post by momo&medo » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 4:57 pm

Thought we were going down the road to redemption.
But now ..... we are back to square one.
Oh well isnt that the way that things usually pan out in life? For us plodders!

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Post by Geo. » Wed 08 Aug, 2018 5:00 pm

Ivan's Laws

1. You are either on the Bus or you are off..
2. The Star of the Team is the Team
3. Be the player your teammates want to play with..
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
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