In and Out who makes the biggest difference

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In and Out who makes the biggest difference

Post by Boonboon2 » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 8:40 am

Thought I'd have a look at how we have gone when some of our individuals were out or in different positions

What it shows is how improtant Benji and Packer and Matulino are and what great signings Farah and Mbye were because THompson at FB and Taylor at hooker meant losses

Benji
In - 9 wins , 6 losses
Out- 0 wins, 3 losses

Packer
In - 8 wins, 6 losses
Out - 1 win, 3 losses

Eisenhuth
Starting Lock - 4 wins, 6 losses
Starting Prop - 1 win, 1 loss
Interchange - 4 wins, 2 losses

Aloia
Starting - 3 wins, 1 loss
Bench - 4 wins, 6 losses
Not Playing - 2 wins, 2 losses

Fonua
In - 2 wins, 5 losses
Out - 7 wins, 4 losses

Tim Grant
In - 0 wins, 5 losses
Out - 9 wins, 4 losses

Liddle
In- 5 wins, 3 losses
Out - 4 wins, 6 losses

Matulino
In - 9 wins, 8 Losses
Out 0 wins, 1 loss

Sue
In - 4 wins, 5 losses
Out - 5 wins, 4 losses

ET
Starting Hooker - 1 win, 4 losses
Starting Lock - 5 wins, 2 losses
Not Playing - 3 wins, 3 losses

Corey Thompson
Fullback -3 wins, 6 losses
Wing -6 wins, 3 Losses


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Post by Geo. » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 8:57 am

Lolohea
Ivan's Laws

1. You are either on the Bus or you are off..
2. The Star of the Team is the Team
3. Be the player your teammates want to play with..

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Post by teddy23 » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 9:30 am

Knew it all along

Tim Grant was the problem...

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Post by clifferdSH » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 9:49 am

Our spine was always the problem. Also I'm not sure if we'd be going any better if Reynolds was fully fit

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Post by Boonboon2 » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 10:46 am

When Packer or Benji are out we have 2 wins and 6 losses - If we can keen our starting props and spine on the field then we will finish the season strong


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Post by Russell » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 10:55 am

Well done - Thanks (it is a bit of an eye opener).

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Post by jirskyr » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 11:33 am

Russell wrote:
Mon 23 Jul, 2018 10:55 am
Well done - Thanks (it is a bit of an eye opener).
It's only half a story though. I do appreciate the work by OP but also single players in/out are misleading. E.g. how many games when Benji was out were we also missing other key players? Or who is the backup in that position if Player X is out.

I did an analysis of the "players we missed the most" up until end 2017 and the #1 player was Tim Simona. But I felt it wasn't so much Simona himself, as the lack of replacements in the centres, because we were calling on guys like Daniela, Hoeter and Milone.

Same with Brooks, we hardly ever win when he's out, but that's because the backup HB options in the past have been guys like Drinkwater and JLJ. Brooks also rarely gets injured, so we aren't talking a critical # of games.

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Post by matchball » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 11:38 am

Tim Grant lol. Look up plodder in the dictionary and his face should be there.

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Post by Chicken Faced Killa » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 11:40 am

What’s the stats for Reynolds?

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Post by steve-o » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 12:17 pm

Funny stats there with Fonua... purely cooincidental though
Year of last finals appearance:
2017 - Storm, Roosters, Broncos, Eels, Sharks, Sea Eagles, Panthers, Cowboys
2016 - Raiders, Bulldogs, Titans
2015 - Rabbitohs, Dragons
2013 - Knights
2011 - Tigers, Warriors

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Post by razzledazzle » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 12:21 pm

Really interesting post, thanks for taking the time.

No surprises regarding the likes of ET/Grant but good to confirm in numbers what instinct already knew.

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Post by larrycorowa » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 12:28 pm

clifferdSH wrote:
Mon 23 Jul, 2018 9:49 am
Our spine was always the problem. Also I'm not sure if we'd be going any better if Reynolds was fully fit
From the few minutes he has played, in my mind it was clear that he will make a positive contribution when fully fit.

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Post by jadtiger » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 1:52 pm

Timid Moltzen used to have good win/loss stats too especially at the start of his career.Stats are often misleading

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 3:32 pm

jadtiger wrote:
Mon 23 Jul, 2018 1:52 pm
Timid Moltzen used to have good win/loss stats too especially at the start of his career.Stats are often misleading
Wasn't Sauce the player who enjoyed the highest percentage of wins in his career here?
And she's turning cold, at fifteen years old,
Taken too much slow, minds gone out to sea on the P&O,
Don't know what to do, rotten shade of blue,
Another case of "stupid is as stupid does..."

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Post by TIGER » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 8:39 pm

This means zero.

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Post by Nucky Thompson » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 8:55 pm

Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Mon 23 Jul, 2018 11:40 am
What’s the stats for Reynolds?
3 gamss 1 season.

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Post by Chicken Faced Killa » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 8:59 pm

Nucky Thompson wrote:
Mon 23 Jul, 2018 8:55 pm
Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Mon 23 Jul, 2018 11:40 am
What’s the stats for Reynolds?
3 gamss 1 season.
😀 fair point.

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Post by Spud Murphy » Tue 24 Jul, 2018 1:32 pm

TIGER wrote:
Mon 23 Jul, 2018 8:39 pm
This means zero.
Was thinking the same. Too many other factors and extenuating circumstances involved for this to be a good guide into the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of certain players.

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