We overachieved in 2018.

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Re: We overachieved in 2018.

Post by The Patriot » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 6:38 pm

The Farah saga killed our top 8 chances in 2016.
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Post by GNR4LIFE » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 6:46 pm

The Patriot wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 6:35 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 6:15 pm
Similar season to 2016, yet everyone believed that year was a big fat failure. Go figure.
For the hundredth time that season we had a good squad. Many of us thought we were a top top 8 team.
So we had a better squad when our cap was a mess? Maybe we need to screw up our cap again.

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Post by The Patriot » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 7:09 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 6:46 pm
The Patriot wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 6:35 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 6:15 pm
Similar season to 2016, yet everyone believed that year was a big fat failure. Go figure.
For the hundredth time that season we had a good squad. Many of us thought we were a top top 8 team.
So we had a better squad when our cap was a mess? Maybe we need to screw up our cap again.

Im happy to never agree on this subject as its pretty pointless trying to argue opinions.
Its an opinion!

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 7:15 pm

The Patriot wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 7:09 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 6:46 pm
The Patriot wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 6:35 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 6:15 pm
Similar season to 2016, yet everyone believed that year was a big fat failure. Go figure.
For the hundredth time that season we had a good squad. Many of us thought we were a top top 8 team.
So we had a better squad when our cap was a mess? Maybe we need to screw up our cap again.

Im happy to never agree on this subject as its pretty pointless trying to argue opinions.
I thought you respected unpopular opinions. You made a big point of that in the Cleary thread, when you came to the rescue of someone who was accused of trolling.

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Post by hodgo » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 7:29 pm

Hard to argue with Lot of peeps on this forum sooooo much negativity. We literally let go the core of our club. If those players wanted to stay they wpuld have have and for sooooo much coin.

Like everyone else i have an opinion. We turned over our best players. Purchased a few has beens and some dudes to change our culture. Our big signing got injured and we were blessed with a has been that exceeded expectation.

Now if we add up our injuries the dudes we took punt on and our deadwood surely people see we overachieved. We screamed last year for people to be held accountable for their play... for the most part they have been..... we screamed for better defense.... we got it. Its hard to say this was unsuccessful truth is if we dont win those early games peoples expectations are not realistic.


Well done Ivan and the boys to be still in it now and have a rough offense is fair play


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Post by The Patriot » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 8:10 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 7:15 pm
The Patriot wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 7:09 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 6:46 pm
The Patriot wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 6:35 pm


For the hundredth time that season we had a good squad. Many of us thought we were a top top 8 team.
So we had a better squad when our cap was a mess? Maybe we need to screw up our cap again.

Im happy to never agree on this subject as its pretty pointless trying to argue opinions.
I thought you respected unpopular opinions. You made a big point of that in the Cleary thread, when you came to the rescue of someone who was accused of trolling.

Snore.
Its an opinion!

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 8:42 pm

The Patriot wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 8:10 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 7:15 pm
The Patriot wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 7:09 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 6:46 pm

So we had a better squad when our cap was a mess? Maybe we need to screw up our cap again.

Im happy to never agree on this subject as its pretty pointless trying to argue opinions.
I thought you respected unpopular opinions. You made a big point of that in the Cleary thread, when you came to the rescue of someone who was accused of trolling.

Snore.
I have you pretty well scouted. When you have no decent comeback you scurry away under the guise of the argument being not worth your time. Creative strategy, but pretty transparent.

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Post by gallagher » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:07 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 8:42 pm
The Patriot wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 8:10 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 7:15 pm
The Patriot wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 7:09 pm



Im happy to never agree on this subject as its pretty pointless trying to argue opinions.
I thought you respected unpopular opinions. You made a big point of that in the Cleary thread, when you came to the rescue of someone who was accused of trolling.

Snore.
I have you pretty well scouted. When you have no decent comeback you scurry away under the guise of the argument being not worth your time. Creative strategy, but pretty transparent.
Oh yeah. He's done this twice in last two days. He told me he could easily tear apart my point of view but couldn't be bothered.
Hes clueless.

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Post by The Patriot » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:15 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 8:42 pm
The Patriot wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 8:10 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 7:15 pm
The Patriot wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 7:09 pm



Im happy to never agree on this subject as its pretty pointless trying to argue opinions.
I thought you respected unpopular opinions. You made a big point of that in the Cleary thread, when you came to the rescue of someone who was accused of trolling.

Snore.
I have you pretty well scouted. When you have no decent comeback you scurry away under the guise of the argument being not worth your time. Creative strategy, but pretty transparent.

Lets get real, reality now ok.

I suggested that we would never see eye to eye on this topic because we are debating opinion. It was an olive branch. You werent happy with that and brought up this other rubbish.

Snore is the correct response.
Its an opinion!

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Post by TCL » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:20 pm

Unless we play play finals it's a failure however we did overachieve.

Personally don't think it was anything like 2016. 2016 we should have played finals. This year many thought we would do well not to get the spoon.

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Post by gallagher » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:25 pm

So if the team overachieved in coming 9th (at best)something is wrong at the club. The last coach was sacked ti stop another season sliding. That season slid and this season slid.

So what's going wrong?

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Post by TCL » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:32 pm

gallagher wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:25 pm
So if the team overachieved in coming 9th (at best)something is wrong at the club. The last coach was sacked ti stop another season sliding. That season slid and this season slid.

So what's going wrong?
Pascoe did make that statement. Let's see what the off season brings?

Pascoe and Go may request a review of the football department......

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Post by gallagher » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:43 pm

TCL wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:32 pm
gallagher wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:25 pm
So if the team overachieved in coming 9th (at best)something is wrong at the club. The last coach was sacked ti stop another season sliding. That season slid and this season slid.

So what's going wrong?
Pascoe did make that statement. Let's see what the off season brings?

Pascoe and Go may request a review of the football department......
I think Cleary will end up at Penrith and that will be the excuse this time next year if we miss the 8.

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Post by Eddie » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:50 pm

gallagher wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:25 pm
So if the team overachieved in coming 9th (at best)something is wrong at the club. The last coach was sacked ti stop another season sliding. That season slid and this season slid.

So what's going wrong?
We don't have good enough players. Honestly Gallagher which roster sucks more then ours? Maybe 2-3 sides at best.

It really is that simple.

In 2016 several pundits had us in the Top 8 or fringe Top 8.

With Addo Carr and Tedesco this year we would have been a Top 4 team.

But it was all screwed up.

Its a miracle we finished 9th this year with the rubbish that went on in 2017. Thought we would be hopeless this year. I thought they did ok. Most people had us pencilled in for the spoon. I'm not saying lets all celebrate finishing 9th again but in the context of where our club was in the beginning of 2017 its something. Sadly I think next year we could be backwards.

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Post by Eddie » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:55 pm

gallagher wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:43 pm
TCL wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:32 pm
gallagher wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:25 pm
So if the team overachieved in coming 9th (at best)something is wrong at the club. The last coach was sacked ti stop another season sliding. That season slid and this season slid.

So what's going wrong?
Pascoe did make that statement. Let's see what the off season brings?

Pascoe and Go may request a review of the football department......
I think Cleary will end up at Penrith and that will be the excuse this time next year if we miss the 8.
Wouldn't at all surprise me if something happens around October when everyone has forgotten about Rugby League.

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Post by gallagher » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:58 pm

Eddie wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:50 pm
gallagher wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 9:25 pm
So if the team overachieved in coming 9th (at best)something is wrong at the club. The last coach was sacked ti stop another season sliding. That season slid and this season slid.

So what's going wrong?
We don't have good enough players. Honestly Gallagher which roster sucks more then ours? Maybe 2-3 sides at best.

It really is that simple.

In 2016 several pundits had us in the Top 8 or fringe Top 8.

With Addo Carr and Tedesco this year we would have been a Top 4 team.

But it was all screwed up.

Its a miracle we finished 9th this year with the rubbish that went on in 2017. Thought we would be hopeless this year. I thought they did ok. Most people had us pencilled in for the spoon. I'm not saying lets all celebrate finishing 9th again but in the context of where our club was in the beginning of 2017 its something. Sadly I think next year we could be backwards.
So we don't have the players Eddie. So surely the club/managent is underachieving then. All I hear on here is how great we're going off the field and the team is over achieving. But we came 9th.
It doesn't add up.

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Post by Eddie » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 10:06 pm

The club is under achieving on the whole. 7 years of missed finals in a row is a gross failure. 3 finals in 19 years or whatever - its a horrible record really. I think everyone knows that.

Im purely saying based on the team we put on the field this year we over achieved. We had a 14th to 16th placed roster without a shadow of a doubt. We were a disgraceful laughing stock in 2017 with an inept coach and our best players leaving the club. That was a time we should have been on the rise with a young and somewhat talented roster despite us lacking depth.

Now we have signed a bunch of journeyman and competed hard to get to 9th. Im pleased with their effort this year on the field given i had very low expectations. However Im not at convinced the rebuild will work with some of these signings.

I think you can seperate the two somewhat.

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Post by gallagher » Tue 21 Aug, 2018 10:17 pm

Eddie wrote:
Tue 21 Aug, 2018 10:06 pm
The club is under achieving on the whole. 7 years of missed finals in a row is a gross failure. 3 finals in 19 years or whatever - its a horrible record really. I think everyone knows that.

Im purely saying based on the team we put on the field this year we over achieved. We had a 14th to 16th placed roster without a shadow of a doubt. We were a disgraceful laughing stock in 2017 with an inept coach and our best players leaving the club. That was a time we should have been on the rise with a young and somewhat talented roster despite us lacking depth.

Now we have signed a bunch of journeyman and competed hard to get to 9th. Im pleased with their effort this year on the field given i had very low expectations. However Im not at convinced the rebuild will work with some of these signings.

I think you can seperate the two somewhat.
I get that.
From this time last year its an improvement.
From the end of 2016 its no improvement.
From the middle of this season its a fail.

Do you see any improvement in the club since we dumped Sheens Eddie? It just seems like groundhog year.

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