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Post by coivtny » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:59 am

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So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.
I would imagine it's mainly conditioning work for the first month or so. If he has signed on Maguire could outline his expectations and allow Hodgson to run the show until he returns.


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Post by formerguest » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 11:06 am

Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:55 am
So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.
Seeing as it is mainly testing and fitness first up, assume that would be Ronnie Palmer and the regular assistants, but who knows where he and/or they fall when the dominoes finally drop.

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Wouldn’t it be funny
Barrett to panthers
Bennett to parra
Siebold extends at souths
Maguire to donkeys
Ivan gets shafted by gus again
And all journos act like they knew all along
Don’t we (Wests Tigers) lose out in this scenario too?
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Post by Harvey » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 11:50 am

formerguest wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 11:06 am
Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:55 am
So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.
Seeing as it is mainly testing and fitness first up, assume that would be Ronnie Palmer and the regular assistants, but who knows where he and/or they fall when the dominoes finally drop.
Ronnie is an Ivan appointee, and there have been a large number of soft tissue injuries at the club since he came on board. Penrith had similar problems while he was there, hopefully the new coach has his own strength and conditioning experts to bring with him.

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Post by WT2K » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 12:31 pm

coivtny wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:59 am
Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:55 am
So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.
I would imagine it's mainly conditioning work for the first month or so. If he has signed on Maguire could outline his expectations and allow Hodgson to run the show until he returns.
If it's madge or Wayne I'd say you are right in that hodgosn would take control at the start of pre-season until the new coach's team is put it place.
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Post by happy tiger » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 12:35 pm

Harvey wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 11:50 am
formerguest wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 11:06 am
Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:55 am
So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.
Seeing as it is mainly testing and fitness first up, assume that would be Ronnie Palmer and the regular assistants, but who knows where he and/or they fall when the dominoes finally drop.
Ronnie is an Ivan appointee, and there have been a large number of soft tissue injuries at the club since he came on board. Penrith had similar problems while he was there, hopefully the new coach has his own strength and conditioning experts to bring with him.
I'm guessing Ivan has had a say in every appointment bar Webster

I'm guessing Webster would take over short term , that or Marina Go :shock:

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Post by cqtiger » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 12:50 pm

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Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:54 am
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Manly are looking at making Barrett work along side Des rather than releasing him.
Smh

Manly have no intention of paying out Trent Barrett, who will be made to continue working for his contract money long after Des Hasler is appointed as his replacement.

Hasler’s return to the northern beaches on a three-year deal will be trumpeted next week, marking an unlikely return to the Sea Eagles. It was widely considered the Hasler deal would not be announced until a settlement had been reached with Barrett, who gave a 12-month notice period last July.

Fallout: Manly has no intention of paying out Trent Barrett.
Fallout: Manly has no intention of paying out Trent Barrett.CREDIT:AAP
But in an unprecedented scenario, the Sea Eagles intend for Barrett to serve out his time in a yet-to-be-defined role, meaning he will remain at the club until the middle of next year alongside Hasler.

The extraordinary transition plan means Barrett is expected to keep working for his money long after the new coach's appointment. Manly powerbrokers are adamant they won’t be paying out a cent to Barrett to get him off their books, but are prepared to grant him a release should he ask for one. Such a move would prevent them from having to pay two coaches at the same time.
Barrett continues to log in at work every day and prepare for the upcoming pre-season to ensure he fulfils his contractual commitments. Sea Eagles officials privately believe he handed in his notice in the expectation he would take over from Anthony Griffin at Penrith, where Barrett was previously an assistant. However, Cameron Ciraldo remains the caretaker Panthers coach until Ivan Cleary rejoins the club, a move most expect will happen in coming weeks.

Barrett’s legal team is closely monitoring the situation in the belief that only their client can claim to be the first-grade coach until his term is served. However, the Sea Eagles are also confident in their position, setting up an ugly stand-off between a coach who seemingly doesn’t want to be there and a club not prepared to pay him out.

Barrett has publicly slammed Manly over the lack of infrastructure and support he has received during his time at the club. However, the facilities are on improvement on those Hasler had at his disposal when he took the Sea Eagles to two premierships.

Hasler’s return to Manly will be the first domino to fall in one of the biggest shake-ups of the coaching ranks in NRL history. Up to five clubs could experience a change of clipboard holder before the 2019 season kicks off.

Cleary is contracted to Wests Tigers for the next two years but is understood to have agreed to return to the foot of the mountains on a three-year deal beginning in 2021. That move will put pressure on the Tigers to release him immediately, although they won’t do so unless they can find a suitable replacement.

Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe has taken a group of corporate sponsors on a study trip of the United States, touring a range of businesses and sporting organisations including the Chicago Bulls. It’s understood Pascoe has met up with potential Cleary replacements Michael Maguire and Wayne Bennett between his US commitments.

Complicating matters is the fact that Bennett is contracted for next season and Maguire is one of four candidates in the running to replace him. The others are Queensland coach Kevin Walters, Broncos assistant Andrew Demetriou and South Sydney coach Anthony Seibold, who is also contracted until 2020. Seibold is the favourite and the Rabbitohs may be prepared to release him immediately if they can find a suitable replacement, raising the possibility of a straight swap for Bennett.

Maguire’s preference is the Brisbane job, but the New Zealand coach will firm for the Tigers post if he misses out. The Tigers have been inundated with expressions of interest but the joint-venture outfit will only release Cleary if they jag a big-name replacement. That leaves only Maguire and Bennett, the latter keen on a long-term deal once he leaves Red Hill.
Oh wow, Barrett apparently doesn't have one of those contracts that says he must be THE coach of the Manly NRL side. Bu, snarky comments aside, this is exactly what we should be doing with Cleary if he tries to hang out for a payout.

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Post by Chicken Faced Killa » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 12:56 pm

Harvey wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 11:50 am
formerguest wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 11:06 am
Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:55 am
So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.
Seeing as it is mainly testing and fitness first up, assume that would be Ronnie Palmer and the regular assistants, but who knows where he and/or they fall when the dominoes finally drop.
Ronnie is an Ivan appointee, and there have been a large number of soft tissue injuries at the club since he came on board. Penrith had similar problems while he was there, hopefully the new coach has his own strength and conditioning experts to bring with him.
This was more what I was thi king as surely the new coach wants his own people Hodgo makes sense but we would need a team assembled ASAP to have a settled start to pre season.

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Post by Red88 Tiger » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 1:41 pm

steve-o wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 11:18 am
Red88 Tiger wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:22 am
Wouldn’t it be funny
Barrett to panthers
Bennett to parra
Siebold extends at souths
Maguire to donkeys
Ivan gets shafted by gus again
And all journos act like they knew all along
Don’t we (Wests Tigers) lose out in this scenario

Possible but my preference is on a positive.

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Post by Fade To Black » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 2:14 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:52 am
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 1:29 am
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I agree with Jirksyr, worst case scenario and we miss out on both Maguire and Bennett, we’ll stick with Cleary. Maybe re-evaluate the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 and see whose available.
Worst case scenario is if Cleary is coaching us next season. A bloke who will just be scratching his cods itching to get out of WT and back to Penrith. He won't care if we finish last next year, he won't care if players regress under him while he is here either. It will be a balls-up of monumental proportions if he is still here next year. No players will entertain coming to our club if it degenerates into a laughing stock (yet again) next season.
Ivan the sell-out must be shoved out the door at all costs, Penrith can have him next year, he is hardly a supercoach thus far in his coaching career.
Just want the turncoat gone ASAP.
How is that any different to Bennett Broncos 2019 or Seibold Rabbitohs 2019?
Firstly, i couldnt give a rat's about Brisbane or Souths, my only concern is our club.
Brisbane and Souths are both powerhouses of the competition on the field with an endless stream of brilliant youngsters in their clubs and supremely powerful off the field with massive amounts of cash being tipped in from the Thoroughbreds and Rusty Crowd: there is absolutely no chance they will become laughing stocks of the NRL. We on the other hand struggle on the field (have done for a looooong time now), run on the smell of an oily rag off the field because we have no money, and have huge difficulty enticing quality players to come here. Plus our juniors are largely pus, we can't just promote from within we need to be able to attract talent from outside.
With all this crap innuendo and uncertainty surrounding our club, a minnow club, no players are going to be frothing to come here. That is what I am worried about.

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Post by formerguest » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 2:23 pm

steve-o wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 11:18 am
Red88 Tiger wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:22 am
Wouldn’t it be funny
Barrett to panthers
Bennett to parra
Siebold extends at souths
Maguire to donkeys
Ivan gets shafted by gus again
And all journos act like they knew all along
Don’t we (Wests Tigers) lose out in this scenario too?
Reckon that since August at the latest, WT have already had their loss in this situation and the only way is up for us, regardless of the coming appointment.

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Post by Telltails » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 2:30 pm

Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 2:14 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:52 am
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 1:29 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 1:26 pm
I agree with Jirksyr, worst case scenario and we miss out on both Maguire and Bennett, we’ll stick with Cleary. Maybe re-evaluate the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 and see whose available.
Worst case scenario is if Cleary is coaching us next season. A bloke who will just be scratching his cods itching to get out of WT and back to Penrith. He won't care if we finish last next year, he won't care if players regress under him while he is here either. It will be a balls-up of monumental proportions if he is still here next year. No players will entertain coming to our club if it degenerates into a laughing stock (yet again) next season.
Ivan the sell-out must be shoved out the door at all costs, Penrith can have him next year, he is hardly a supercoach thus far in his coaching career.
Just want the turncoat gone ASAP.
How is that any different to Bennett Broncos 2019 or Seibold Rabbitohs 2019?
Firstly, i couldnt give a rat's about Brisbane or Souths, my only concern is our club.
Brisbane and Souths are both powerhouses of the competition on the field with an endless stream of brilliant youngsters in their clubs and supremely powerful off the field with massive amounts of cash being tipped in from the Thoroughbreds and Rusty Crowd: there is absolutely no chance they will become laughing stocks of the NRL. We on the other hand struggle on the field (have done for a looooong time now), run on the smell of an oily rag off the field because we have no money, and have huge difficulty enticing quality players to come here. Plus our juniors are largely pus, we can't just promote from within we need to be able to attract talent from outside.
With all this crap innuendo and uncertainty surrounding our club, a minnow club, no players are going to be frothing to come here. That is what I am worried about.
Agree. Brisbane and to a lesser extent Souths can absorb a year with a coach on the move - they are not in a constant state of rebuild.We on the other hand have made moves to get the basketcase tag off our backs, we cant afford to go their again IMO Cleary and our performances will be scrutinized to the nth degree if he is retained.

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Post by Geo. » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 2:39 pm

Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:55 am
So if Maguire has signed on who coaches the side at the start of pre season. New Zealand tests will still be going on.
Pre season will start around the 20th of Novermber this year...tests be over by then..
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
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Post by Fade To Black » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 3:31 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:35 am
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 1:29 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 1:26 pm
I agree with Jirksyr, worst case scenario and we miss out on both Maguire and Bennett, we’ll stick with Cleary. Maybe re-evaluate the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 and see whose available.
Worst case scenario is if Cleary is coaching us next season. A bloke who will just be scratching his cods itching to get out of WT and back to Penrith. He won't care if we finish last next year, he won't care if players regress under him while he is here either. It will be a balls-up of monumental proportions if he is still here next year. No players will entertain coming to our club if it degenerates into a laughing stock (yet again) next season.
Ivan the sell-out must be shoved out the door at all costs, Penrith can have him next year, he is hardly a supercoach thus far in his coaching career.
Just want the turncoat gone ASAP.
So we are better off going with a noob like Hodgson or Payton for 2 or 3 years, then we are holding onto Ivan and re-evaluating the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 when someone who has more runs on the board may be available? That kind of thinking is the hysteria I was talking about yesterday.
Not sure what you are on about TBH. Why would we appoint Hodgson for 3 years? Why would we appoint Payten at all? (Haven't heard his name mentioned whatsoever as a possible coaching option for WT). Why would we still be holding onto Ivan if we got a caretaker coach? The reason we would have a new coach is because Ivan would have been let go to Penrith for 2019.
None of your post makes sense.

If Penrith want Ivan now, let him go no strings attatched, him staying on at WT will cause massive fan backlash and possible player disinterest towards someone who talked the talk and then pretty much bailed out to coach his son.
If we can't entice Bennett or Maguire here for 2019 then we should appoint Webster or to a lesser extent Hodgson as coach for next year and either of them would be aware that they are merely holding the coaches job oor 1 season only until Bennett or Maguire perhaps come on board for 2020 and beyond. At least Webster or Hodgson will have WT's best interests at heart for 2019, unlike Cleary. If neither of them (Bennett or Maguire) sign on the dotted line then we need to look at someone else long-term. Perhaps Toovey, Demetriou or Adam O'Brien.

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 3:39 pm

Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 3:31 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:35 am
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 1:29 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Fri 19 Oct, 2018 1:26 pm
I agree with Jirksyr, worst case scenario and we miss out on both Maguire and Bennett, we’ll stick with Cleary. Maybe re-evaluate the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 and see whose available.
Worst case scenario is if Cleary is coaching us next season. A bloke who will just be scratching his cods itching to get out of WT and back to Penrith. He won't care if we finish last next year, he won't care if players regress under him while he is here either. It will be a balls-up of monumental proportions if he is still here next year. No players will entertain coming to our club if it degenerates into a laughing stock (yet again) next season.
Ivan the sell-out must be shoved out the door at all costs, Penrith can have him next year, he is hardly a supercoach thus far in his coaching career.
Just want the turncoat gone ASAP.
So we are better off going with a noob like Hodgson or Payton for 2 or 3 years, then we are holding onto Ivan and re-evaluating the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 when someone who has more runs on the board may be available? That kind of thinking is the hysteria I was talking about yesterday.
Not sure what you are on about TBH. Why would we appoint Hodgson for 3 years? Why would we appoint Payten at all? (Haven't heard his name mentioned whatsoever as a possible coaching option for WT). Why would we still be holding onto Ivan if we got a caretaker coach? The reason we would have a new coach is because Ivan would have been let go to Penrith for 2019.
None of your post makes sense.

If Penrith want Ivan now, let him go no strings attatched, him staying on at WT will cause massive fan backlash and possible player disinterest towards someone who talked the talk and then pretty much bailed out to coach his son.
If we can't entice Bennett or Maguire here for 2019 then we should appoint Webster or to a lesser extent Hodgson as coach for next year and either of them would be aware that they are merely holding the coaches job oor 1 season only until Bennett or Maguire perhaps come on board for 2020 and beyond. At least Webster or Hodgson will have WT's best interests at heart for 2019, unlike Cleary. If neither of them (Bennett or Maguire) sign on the dotted line then we need to look at someone else long-term. Perhaps Toovey, Demetriou or Adam O'Brien.
Only if you are being intentionally obtuse. What I have been saying for days now if we can only pick up a noob like a Hodgson or a Payton, or someone similar, it is not worth letting Ivan go. The better option is sticking with him and re-evaluating at the end of 2019.

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Post by Geo. » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 3:45 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 3:39 pm
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 3:31 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:35 am
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 1:29 am


Worst case scenario is if Cleary is coaching us next season. A bloke who will just be scratching his cods itching to get out of WT and back to Penrith. He won't care if we finish last next year, he won't care if players regress under him while he is here either. It will be a balls-up of monumental proportions if he is still here next year. No players will entertain coming to our club if it degenerates into a laughing stock (yet again) next season.
Ivan the sell-out must be shoved out the door at all costs, Penrith can have him next year, he is hardly a supercoach thus far in his coaching career.
Just want the turncoat gone ASAP.
So we are better off going with a noob like Hodgson or Payton for 2 or 3 years, then we are holding onto Ivan and re-evaluating the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 when someone who has more runs on the board may be available? That kind of thinking is the hysteria I was talking about yesterday.
Not sure what you are on about TBH. Why would we appoint Hodgson for 3 years? Why would we appoint Payten at all? (Haven't heard his name mentioned whatsoever as a possible coaching option for WT). Why would we still be holding onto Ivan if we got a caretaker coach? The reason we would have a new coach is because Ivan would have been let go to Penrith for 2019.
None of your post makes sense.

If Penrith want Ivan now, let him go no strings attatched, him staying on at WT will cause massive fan backlash and possible player disinterest towards someone who talked the talk and then pretty much bailed out to coach his son.
If we can't entice Bennett or Maguire here for 2019 then we should appoint Webster or to a lesser extent Hodgson as coach for next year and either of them would be aware that they are merely holding the coaches job oor 1 season only until Bennett or Maguire perhaps come on board for 2020 and beyond. At least Webster or Hodgson will have WT's best interests at heart for 2019, unlike Cleary. If neither of them (Bennett or Maguire) sign on the dotted line then we need to look at someone else long-term. Perhaps Toovey, Demetriou or Adam O'Brien.
Only if you are being intentionally obtuse. What I have been saying for days now if we can only pick up a noob like a Hodgson or a Payton, or someone similar, it is not worth letting Ivan go. The better option is sticking with him and re-evaluating at the end of 2019.
Oh yeah for sure then next year can become another always next year year...look out 2020..

Cleary has left the building already ..just run with no one...Players play...
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
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Post by GNR4LIFE » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 3:58 pm

Geo. wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 3:45 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 3:39 pm
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 3:31 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:35 am

So we are better off going with a noob like Hodgson or Payton for 2 or 3 years, then we are holding onto Ivan and re-evaluating the coaching landscape at the end of 2019 when someone who has more runs on the board may be available? That kind of thinking is the hysteria I was talking about yesterday.
Not sure what you are on about TBH. Why would we appoint Hodgson for 3 years? Why would we appoint Payten at all? (Haven't heard his name mentioned whatsoever as a possible coaching option for WT). Why would we still be holding onto Ivan if we got a caretaker coach? The reason we would have a new coach is because Ivan would have been let go to Penrith for 2019.
None of your post makes sense.

If Penrith want Ivan now, let him go no strings attatched, him staying on at WT will cause massive fan backlash and possible player disinterest towards someone who talked the talk and then pretty much bailed out to coach his son.
If we can't entice Bennett or Maguire here for 2019 then we should appoint Webster or to a lesser extent Hodgson as coach for next year and either of them would be aware that they are merely holding the coaches job oor 1 season only until Bennett or Maguire perhaps come on board for 2020 and beyond. At least Webster or Hodgson will have WT's best interests at heart for 2019, unlike Cleary. If neither of them (Bennett or Maguire) sign on the dotted line then we need to look at someone else long-term. Perhaps Toovey, Demetriou or Adam O'Brien.
Only if you are being intentionally obtuse. What I have been saying for days now if we can only pick up a noob like a Hodgson or a Payton, or someone similar, it is not worth letting Ivan go. The better option is sticking with him and re-evaluating at the end of 2019.
Oh yeah for sure then next year can become another always next year year...look out 2020..

Cleary has left the building already ..just run with no one...Players play...
As it stands, the Wests Tigers will only release Cleary to join Penrith immediately if they can land what they perceive to be an upgrade – which is why premiership-winning coach Wayne Bennett and Maguire are the only two candidates being considered.“

This is the way to go. It’s only common sense you would not settle for anything less than an upgrade.

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