2019 Coaching saga -Thread

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Re: 2019 Coaching saga -Thread

Post by Pawsandclaws » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 8:00 pm

Nelson wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:46 pm
Pawsandclaws wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:32 pm
MissMe911 wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:03 pm
Madge will be GREAT.
we need someone tough.
Bennett cant make a star studded broncos side perform so no thanks
Tough? Ask South supporters about Glenn Stewart signed at the back end of his career with dodgy knees and the lack of flexibility from Maguire about training which forced him out of the Club. I make no apologies for not wanting him at out club. We can and should do far better.
Really? Because of that? If his knees were so dodgy he couldn't train properly then he probably should've been medically retired. Training is a fairly integral part of being a professional sportsman being paid several hundred thousand a year. Sounds like just like Watmough before him he took a gravy contract and then didn't want to put in...
I recall we had a fairly prominent player with dodgy knees who couldn't train with the squad. Modifying training regimes to assist players with chronic injury is fairly standard, that is why we have physiotherapists. Bennett is the coach we need.


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Post by Wa Mag/Tig » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 8:12 pm

I don't believe Ivan will be going anywhere next year. We need to keep him and get Bennett for 2020. That scenario will make Gould look even more gouldly :bawling :bawling :arrow: What ever happens won't change a Saturday afternoon in WA watching and willing our team over the line.

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Post by Nelson » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 8:28 pm

Pawsandclaws wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 8:00 pm
Nelson wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:46 pm
Pawsandclaws wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:32 pm
MissMe911 wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:03 pm
Madge will be GREAT.
we need someone tough.
Bennett cant make a star studded broncos side perform so no thanks
Tough? Ask South supporters about Glenn Stewart signed at the back end of his career with dodgy knees and the lack of flexibility from Maguire about training which forced him out of the Club. I make no apologies for not wanting him at out club. We can and should do far better.
Really? Because of that? If his knees were so dodgy he couldn't train properly then he probably should've been medically retired. Training is a fairly integral part of being a professional sportsman being paid several hundred thousand a year. Sounds like just like Watmough before him he took a gravy contract and then didn't want to put in...
I recall we had a fairly prominent player with dodgy knees who couldn't train with the squad. Modifying training regimes to assist players with chronic injury is fairly standard, that is why we have physiotherapists. Bennett is the coach we need.
There's having a chronic injury and there's taking the piss. Maguire may have thought Glenn Stewart was doing the latter. His chronic knee injuries didn't stop him signing some multi-year deals over in Super League.

Is Glenn Stewart the sole thing you are writing Maguire off over?

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Post by bathursttiger » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 8:43 pm

Geo. wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:49 pm
WT2K wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:19 pm
matchball wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:12 pm
WT2K wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 6:39 pm


Thought something like this would eventually come out in the media.
Link didn't work for me.
What does it say? Please copy pasta
If they aren't already, things could get ugly in the split between Ivan Cleary and the Wests Tigers.

While nothing is official, reports suggest Cleary has signed-on to coach the Panthers once his contract at the Wests Tigers comes to an end in 2020.

However, the Tigers are willing to let Cleary as soon as they find a suitable replacement with the club chasing Wayne Bennett and Michael Maguire to takeover.


Interestingly, some Wests Tigers players are starting to lose respect for Cleary over the whole saga.

NRL.com reporter Michael Chammas joined Triple M's The Rush Hour with MG to discuss this issue:

https://omny.fm/shows/the-rush-hour-wit ... coaching-s
Ivan is on the Green mile at Wests Tigers if true...
With Mister "Jingles"



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Post by happy tiger » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:37 pm

bathursttiger wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 8:43 pm
Geo. wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:49 pm
WT2K wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:19 pm
matchball wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:12 pm

Link didn't work for me.
What does it say? Please copy pasta
If they aren't already, things could get ugly in the split between Ivan Cleary and the Wests Tigers.

While nothing is official, reports suggest Cleary has signed-on to coach the Panthers once his contract at the Wests Tigers comes to an end in 2020.

However, the Tigers are willing to let Cleary as soon as they find a suitable replacement with the club chasing Wayne Bennett and Michael Maguire to takeover.


Interestingly, some Wests Tigers players are starting to lose respect for Cleary over the whole saga.

NRL.com reporter Michael Chammas joined Triple M's The Rush Hour with MG to discuss this issue:

https://omny.fm/shows/the-rush-hour-wit ... coaching-s
Ivan is on the Green mile at Wests Tigers if true...
With Mister "Jingles"
Will Cleary get Michael Clarke Duncan firm squirrel grip from Russell Packer before he leaves :o

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Post by Pawsandclaws » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:39 pm

Nelson wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 8:28 pm
Pawsandclaws wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 8:00 pm
Nelson wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:46 pm
Pawsandclaws wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:32 pm


Tough? Ask South supporters about Glenn Stewart signed at the back end of his career with dodgy knees and the lack of flexibility from Maguire about training which forced him out of the Club. I make no apologies for not wanting him at out club. We can and should do far better.
Really? Because of that? If his knees were so dodgy he couldn't train properly then he probably should've been medically retired. Training is a fairly integral part of being a professional sportsman being paid several hundred thousand a year. Sounds like just like Watmough before him he took a gravy contract and then didn't want to put in...
I recall we had a fairly prominent player with dodgy knees who couldn't train with the squad. Modifying training regimes to assist players with chronic injury is fairly standard, that is why we have physiotherapists. Bennett is the coach we need.
There's having a chronic injury and there's taking the piss. Maguire may have thought Glenn Stewart was doing the latter. His chronic knee injuries didn't stop him signing some multi-year deals over in Super League.

Is Glenn Stewart the sole thing you are writing Maguire off over?
No, not at all.

Stewart was forced to go to Super League because of that inflexibility.

I would have hoped WTs had determined that an intelligent coach with excellent communication skills who presents a great image for the club in addition to possessing a regime of success and longevity in the NRL the only option to coach the team.

IMO, Maguire is a downgrade from Cleary and certainly compared to Bennett not in the same league.

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Post by Fade To Black » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:45 pm

Nelson wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 6:29 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 4:06 pm
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 4:01 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 3:39 pm

Only if you are being intentionally obtuse. What I have been saying for days now if we can only pick up a noob like a Hodgson or a Payton, or someone similar, it is not worth letting Ivan go. The better option is sticking with him and re-evaluating at the end of 2019.
Reading your other post again it says "then" instead of "than" that maybe you intended to write. That 1 letter comletely changed the context of your statement.
Even still, why would we appoint a caretaker coach for 3 years? We need a committed, genuine long-term coach.
Also Ivan is contracted until 2020 isn't he? Looking at a coaching option at the end of 2019 isn't going to put us in any better position than doing it now- he will still be under contract either way.
Anyone but Cleary to coach us in 2019 I'd be happy with. Better than sticking with a bloke who doesn't want to be here, that will not benefit our club in any way IMO.
We wouldn’t, that is my point. That is why we hold onto Cleary. We don’t let him go to sign a coach for 2 or 3 years that you would consider to be a downgrade from Cleary.
Nobody would be a downgrade from him. For this club he is about the worst possible coach now. It doesn't matter how other clubs might regard him for us he is rubbish because he's completely undermined his own position.
Absolutely 100% spot on Nelson. He is the worst possible coach we can have for 2019.
Gobsmacked that people are keen for him to coach us next year. It would be like your missus cheating on you and waiting around for a year to shack up with her new fella and you are content to let her live at your place until she does a runner. Knowing full well she is mad-keen to see the back of you. It is madness to have Cleary here next year......hell, even Jason Taylor would be preferable. (Maybe not to Robbie though!)

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:53 pm

Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:45 pm
Nelson wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 6:29 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 4:06 pm
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 4:01 pm


Reading your other post again it says "then" instead of "than" that maybe you intended to write. That 1 letter comletely changed the context of your statement.
Even still, why would we appoint a caretaker coach for 3 years? We need a committed, genuine long-term coach.
Also Ivan is contracted until 2020 isn't he? Looking at a coaching option at the end of 2019 isn't going to put us in any better position than doing it now- he will still be under contract either way.
Anyone but Cleary to coach us in 2019 I'd be happy with. Better than sticking with a bloke who doesn't want to be here, that will not benefit our club in any way IMO.
We wouldn’t, that is my point. That is why we hold onto Cleary. We don’t let him go to sign a coach for 2 or 3 years that you would consider to be a downgrade from Cleary.
Nobody would be a downgrade from him. For this club he is about the worst possible coach now. It doesn't matter how other clubs might regard him for us he is rubbish because he's completely undermined his own position.
Absolutely 100% spot on Nelson. He is the worst possible coach we can have for 2019.
Gobsmacked that people are keen for him to coach us next year. It would be like your missus cheating on you and waiting around for a year to shack up with her new fella and you are content to let her live at your place until she does a runner. Knowing full well she is mad-keen to see the back of you. It is madness to have Cleary here next year......hell, even Jason Taylor would be preferable. (Maybe not to Robbie though!)
No one has said they are keen for him to coach. Some of us are just keen to see the club end up a marquee coach as opposed to a rookie.

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Post by TYGA » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:55 pm

Cut out the nonsense Cleary has to go. He is inferior to Madge and Bennett even if this saga didn’t happen. No credibility

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Post by happy tiger » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:57 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:53 pm
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:45 pm
Nelson wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 6:29 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 4:06 pm

We wouldn’t, that is my point. That is why we hold onto Cleary. We don’t let him go to sign a coach for 2 or 3 years that you would consider to be a downgrade from Cleary.
Nobody would be a downgrade from him. For this club he is about the worst possible coach now. It doesn't matter how other clubs might regard him for us he is rubbish because he's completely undermined his own position.
Absolutely 100% spot on Nelson. He is the worst possible coach we can have for 2019.
Gobsmacked that people are keen for him to coach us next year. It would be like your missus cheating on you and waiting around for a year to shack up with her new fella and you are content to let her live at your place until she does a runner. Knowing full well she is mad-keen to see the back of you. It is madness to have Cleary here next year......hell, even Jason Taylor would be preferable. (Maybe not to Robbie though!)
No one has said they are keen for him to coach. Some of us are just keen to see the club end up a marquee coach as opposed to a rookie.
With you GNR , short term hurt for long term hate and Cleary will have a reputation to protect

If Cleary dogs it , 16 clubs will be watching closely .........and Bennett would still have control of recruitment along with Kelly Egan and Pascoe

Cleary must know that Gus will sack him (if he actually even did ) as Gus doesn't take accountability for anything Gus does

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Post by Nelson » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:06 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:57 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:53 pm
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:45 pm
Nelson wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 6:29 pm


Nobody would be a downgrade from him. For this club he is about the worst possible coach now. It doesn't matter how other clubs might regard him for us he is rubbish because he's completely undermined his own position.
Absolutely 100% spot on Nelson. He is the worst possible coach we can have for 2019.
Gobsmacked that people are keen for him to coach us next year. It would be like your missus cheating on you and waiting around for a year to shack up with her new fella and you are content to let her live at your place until she does a runner. Knowing full well she is mad-keen to see the back of you. It is madness to have Cleary here next year......hell, even Jason Taylor would be preferable. (Maybe not to Robbie though!)
No one has said they are keen for him to coach. Some of us are just keen to see the club end up a marquee coach as opposed to a rookie.
With you GNR , short term hurt for long term hate and Cleary will have a reputation to protect

If Cleary dogs it , 16 clubs will be watching closely .........and Bennett would still have control of recruitment along with Kelly Egan and Pascoe

Cleary must know that Gus will sack him (if he actually even did ) as Gus doesn't take accountability for anything Gus does
It's not about Cleary "dogging it". He can be as professional as he likes and it won't matter because the players just won't respond to him in the same way as before. The players will also have a ready-made excuse for failing and that's one thing players never need. The media will be death riding the club the whole year wanting to see it fail under Cleary. It would be a disastrous season and we don't need that.

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Post by happy tiger » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:13 pm

Nelson wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:06 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:57 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:53 pm
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:45 pm

Absolutely 100% spot on Nelson. He is the worst possible coach we can have for 2019.
Gobsmacked that people are keen for him to coach us next year. It would be like your missus cheating on you and waiting around for a year to shack up with her new fella and you are content to let her live at your place until she does a runner. Knowing full well she is mad-keen to see the back of you. It is madness to have Cleary here next year......hell, even Jason Taylor would be preferable. (Maybe not to Robbie though!)
No one has said they are keen for him to coach. Some of us are just keen to see the club end up a marquee coach as opposed to a rookie.
With you GNR , short term hurt for long term hate and Cleary will have a reputation to protect

If Cleary dogs it , 16 clubs will be watching closely .........and Bennett would still have control of recruitment along with Kelly Egan and Pascoe

Cleary must know that Gus will sack him (if he actually even did ) as Gus doesn't take accountability for anything Gus does
It's not about Cleary "dogging it". He can be as professional as he likes and it won't matter because the players just won't respond to him in the same way as before. The players will also have a ready-made excuse for failing and that's one thing players never need. The media will be death riding the club the whole year wanting to see it fail under Cleary. It would be a disastrous season and we don't need that.
Yeah I have stated the same Nelson , but if it means getting Bennett its win /win long term

Especially if the club comes out and announces Bennett

Bennett and Pascoe can then tell any players they won't accept mediocrity and if it is offered by the players contracts will be torn up

Bennett is a far better option than Maguire , he will bring sponsors and will help with big name recruitment , our two biggest weaknesses

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Post by Fade To Black » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:27 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:53 pm
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:45 pm
Nelson wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 6:29 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 4:06 pm

We wouldn’t, that is my point. That is why we hold onto Cleary. We don’t let him go to sign a coach for 2 or 3 years that you would consider to be a downgrade from Cleary.
Nobody would be a downgrade from him. For this club he is about the worst possible coach now. It doesn't matter how other clubs might regard him for us he is rubbish because he's completely undermined his own position.
Absolutely 100% spot on Nelson. He is the worst possible coach we can have for 2019.
Gobsmacked that people are keen for him to coach us next year. It would be like your missus cheating on you and waiting around for a year to shack up with her new fella and you are content to let her live at your place until she does a runner. Knowing full well she is mad-keen to see the back of you. It is madness to have Cleary here next year......hell, even Jason Taylor would be preferable. (Maybe not to Robbie though!)
No one has said they are keen for him to coach. Some of us are just keen to see the club end up a marquee coach as opposed to a rookie.
How is having Cleary coach WT next year gonna help us secure a marquee coach any more than having Webster, Hodgson etc coach us next year? Cold, hard fact is that it is not. Pretty simple really.

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Post by matchball » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:45 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:13 pm
Nelson wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:06 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:57 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:53 pm

No one has said they are keen for him to coach. Some of us are just keen to see the club end up a marquee coach as opposed to a rookie.
With you GNR , short term hurt for long term hate and Cleary will have a reputation to protect

If Cleary dogs it , 16 clubs will be watching closely .........and Bennett would still have control of recruitment along with Kelly Egan and Pascoe

Cleary must know that Gus will sack him (if he actually even did ) as Gus doesn't take accountability for anything Gus does
It's not about Cleary "dogging it". He can be as professional as he likes and it won't matter because the players just won't respond to him in the same way as before. The players will also have a ready-made excuse for failing and that's one thing players never need. The media will be death riding the club the whole year wanting to see it fail under Cleary. It would be a disastrous season and we don't need that.
Yeah I have stated the same Nelson , but if it means getting Bennett its win /win long term

Especially if the club comes out and announces Bennett

Bennett and Pascoe can then tell any players they won't accept mediocrity and if it is offered by the players contracts will be torn up

Bennett is a far better option than Maguire , he will bring sponsors and will help with big name recruitment , our two biggest weaknesses
At this point. I'd take Terry Lamb for a season interim coach to get Wayne Bennett for 2020.
I just want Ivan gone today.

Bennett will bring youngsters what can't get a start in the Broncos. That's why I'll hold out for him.
Maguire is just a band aid, not the remedy.

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Post by happy tiger » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 11:01 pm

Pawsandclaws wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 8:00 pm
Nelson wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:46 pm
Pawsandclaws wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:32 pm
MissMe911 wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 7:03 pm
Madge will be GREAT.
we need someone tough.
Bennett cant make a star studded broncos side perform so no thanks
Tough? Ask South supporters about Glenn Stewart signed at the back end of his career with dodgy knees and the lack of flexibility from Maguire about training which forced him out of the Club. I make no apologies for not wanting him at out club. We can and should do far better.
Really? Because of that? If his knees were so dodgy he couldn't train properly then he probably should've been medically retired. Training is a fairly integral part of being a professional sportsman being paid several hundred thousand a year. Sounds like just like Watmough before him he took a gravy contract and then didn't want to put in...
I recall we had a fairly prominent player with dodgy knees who couldn't train with the squad. Modifying training regimes to assist players with chronic injury is fairly standard, that is why we have physiotherapists. Bennett is the coach we need.
Ellis was the same with his groin from memory

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 11:02 pm

Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:27 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:53 pm
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:45 pm
Nelson wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 6:29 pm


Nobody would be a downgrade from him. For this club he is about the worst possible coach now. It doesn't matter how other clubs might regard him for us he is rubbish because he's completely undermined his own position.
Absolutely 100% spot on Nelson. He is the worst possible coach we can have for 2019.
Gobsmacked that people are keen for him to coach us next year. It would be like your missus cheating on you and waiting around for a year to shack up with her new fella and you are content to let her live at your place until she does a runner. Knowing full well she is mad-keen to see the back of you. It is madness to have Cleary here next year......hell, even Jason Taylor would be preferable. (Maybe not to Robbie though!)
No one has said they are keen for him to coach. Some of us are just keen to see the club end up a marquee coach as opposed to a rookie.
How is having Cleary coach WT next year gonna help us secure a marquee coach any more than having Webster, Hodgson etc coach us next year? Cold, hard fact is that it is not. Pretty simple really.
Because we would be making a commitment to a Hodgson or Webster for at least 2 years. Whereas we could give Cleary his release if someone of quality comes on the market.

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Post by Fade To Black » Sat 20 Oct, 2018 11:12 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 11:02 pm
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:27 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:53 pm
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 20 Oct, 2018 9:45 pm

Absolutely 100% spot on Nelson. He is the worst possible coach we can have for 2019.
Gobsmacked that people are keen for him to coach us next year. It would be like your missus cheating on you and waiting around for a year to shack up with her new fella and you are content to let her live at your place until she does a runner. Knowing full well she is mad-keen to see the back of you. It is madness to have Cleary here next year......hell, even Jason Taylor would be preferable. (Maybe not to Robbie though!)
No one has said they are keen for him to coach. Some of us are just keen to see the club end up a marquee coach as opposed to a rookie.
How is having Cleary coach WT next year gonna help us secure a marquee coach any more than having Webster, Hodgson etc coach us next year? Cold, hard fact is that it is not. Pretty simple really.
Because we would be making a commitment to a Hodgson or Webster for at least 2 years. Whereas we could give Cleary his release if someone of quality comes on the market.
If Bennett is off-contract for 2020 (and provided he wants to coach WT), why would Webster or Hodgson have to coach for at least 2 years? We only need them for 1 season in that scenario.

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