2019 Coaching saga -Thread

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Re: 2019 Coaching saga -Thread

Post by momo&medo » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 8:38 am

Rothfiekd reported in the telegraph that WT Board has directed Pascoe not to release Cleary under any circumstances until minimum 1/2 million in compensation is paid.


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Post by 2041 » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 8:44 am

bathursttiger wrote:
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I’m just wondering if there’s a case for litigation against Ivan for damage that he has done to our club/brand?
No.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 8:46 am

bathursttiger wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 8:23 am
I’m just wondering if there’s a case for litigation against Ivan for damage that he has done to our club/brand?
I would guess not because all he has to say, which he has publicly, is that he is going to honour his contract. He can legally sign a new contract with Penrith starting 2021 because his contract with us will be completed. And if he goes before then, it will be because Wests and Cleary have come to an arrangement. The only way the club could go legal on him is if he walks without a release from us because he would then be in breach of contract.

I don't think it will go that far. There will be a bunch of horse trading and Cleary will be at Penrith next year and we will have one of our targets, I suspect most likely it will be Madge. The more I think about it, the more I cannot see Bennett coming here as much as I would like to see him here.
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Post by Telltails » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:09 am

TrueTiger wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 8:20 am
Geo. wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 7:10 am
TrueTiger wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 7:06 am
Geo. wrote:
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 11:16 pm

So you believe Ivan Cleary is fully committed to Wests Tigers.

Justin Pascoe seems at odds with that...
The thing is GEO,Ivan signed a 3 year contract,if he fulfils his obligations under that agreement then he has done absolutely nothing wrong by signing to coach Riff in 2021...he did say he would honour his contract....therein lies the commitment...
So no need for Pascoe to look at replacements..cool
Pascoe can do as he likes including sacking Ivan,however all the dislike toward Ivan because he has signed with Penrith for 2021 is unwarrented if he wants to honour his contract at WTs,he hasnt walked out or said he is leaving now...
Odd for a man who is committed to a club to go missing when his position is being openly shopped around to two high profile replacements - unless of course he has an alternative.

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Post by Doc Tiger » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:24 am

Just skipped from page 41 to 90...What I miss?


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Post by avocadoontoast » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:29 am

momo&medo wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 8:38 am
Rothfiekd reported in the telegraph that WT Board has directed Pascoe not to release Cleary under any circumstances until minimum 1/2 million in compensation is paid.
Excellent, the old scorched earth policy. What could possibly go wrong.

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Post by TheDaBoss » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:30 am

Doc Tiger wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:24 am
Just skipped from page 41 to 90...What I miss?
nothing much, just same old drama from page 1
:sign: + :deadhorse: = Ivan in a nutshell

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Post by bigsiro » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:43 am

Doc Tiger wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:24 am
Just skipped from page 41 to 90...What I miss?
HA!
Absolutely Nothing!
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Post by NT Tiger » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:44 am

Fade To Black wrote:
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 11:39 pm
TrueTiger wrote:
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 10:42 pm
YOU BLOKES AND GIRLS STILL DONT UNDERSTAND...….IVAN SIGNED A 3 YEAR CONTRACT WITH WTs ENDING IN 2020 ...HE CAN GO IF HE PLEASES WHERE HE PLEASES.....once again emotions run high ,,,IT IS HIS CAREER AND HE CAN GO WHERE HE LIKES IN 2021 AS LONG AS HE FULFILS HIS OBLIGATIONS FOR 3 YEARS AT THE WTS......



ITS THAT SIMPLE,,,,,
I don't think anybody is disputing that.
It is the decision of whether his position is untenable for 2019 and perhaps 2020 that is the cause for debate.
Untenable: adj. Incapable of being maintained.
Ivan has a contract. That may maintain him as the coach of Wests Tigers. We'll see soon I suppose.
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Post by GNR4LIFE » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:45 am

avocadoontoast wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:29 am
momo&medo wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 8:38 am
Rothfiekd reported in the telegraph that WT Board has directed Pascoe not to release Cleary under any circumstances until minimum 1/2 million in compensation is paid.
Excellent, the old scorched earth policy. What could possibly go wrong.
No, its smart. He's contracted for 2 more years, its common sense to want compensation to release him. If the club gave him without wanting anything, they'd be accused of lying down and allowing themselves to be stepped over. They can't win either way. And its unfair given its a mess they didn't create.

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:45 am

avocadoontoast wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:29 am
momo&medo wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 8:38 am
Rothfiekd reported in the telegraph that WT Board has directed Pascoe not to release Cleary under any circumstances until minimum 1/2 million in compensation is paid.
Excellent, the old scorched earth policy. What could possibly go wrong.
No, its smart. He's contracted for 2 more years, its common sense to want compensation to release him. If the club gave him without wanting anything, they'd be accused of lying down and allowing themselves to be stepped over. They can't win either way. And its unfair given its a mess they didn't create.

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Post by TheDaBoss » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:46 am

NT Tiger wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:44 am
Fade To Black wrote:
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 11:39 pm
TrueTiger wrote:
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 10:42 pm
YOU BLOKES AND GIRLS STILL DONT UNDERSTAND...….IVAN SIGNED A 3 YEAR CONTRACT WITH WTs ENDING IN 2020 ...HE CAN GO IF HE PLEASES WHERE HE PLEASES.....once again emotions run high ,,,IT IS HIS CAREER AND HE CAN GO WHERE HE LIKES IN 2021 AS LONG AS HE FULFILS HIS OBLIGATIONS FOR 3 YEARS AT THE WTS......



ITS THAT SIMPLE,,,,,
I don't think anybody is disputing that.
It is the decision of whether his position is untenable for 2019 and perhaps 2020 that is the cause for debate.
Untenable: adj. Incapable of being maintained.
Ivan has a contract. That may maintain him as the coach of Wests Tigers. We'll see soon I suppose.
its not his coaching position we are worrying about, its how the rumours and drama will affect our performance in the season to come
:sign: + :deadhorse: = Ivan in a nutshell

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:50 am

TheDaBoss wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:46 am
NT Tiger wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:44 am
Fade To Black wrote:
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 11:39 pm
TrueTiger wrote:
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 10:42 pm
YOU BLOKES AND GIRLS STILL DONT UNDERSTAND...….IVAN SIGNED A 3 YEAR CONTRACT WITH WTs ENDING IN 2020 ...HE CAN GO IF HE PLEASES WHERE HE PLEASES.....once again emotions run high ,,,IT IS HIS CAREER AND HE CAN GO WHERE HE LIKES IN 2021 AS LONG AS HE FULFILS HIS OBLIGATIONS FOR 3 YEARS AT THE WTS......



ITS THAT SIMPLE,,,,,
I don't think anybody is disputing that.
It is the decision of whether his position is untenable for 2019 and perhaps 2020 that is the cause for debate.
Untenable: adj. Incapable of being maintained.
Ivan has a contract. That may maintain him as the coach of Wests Tigers. We'll see soon I suppose.
its not his coaching position we are worrying about, its how the rumours and drama will affect our performance in the season to come
Yeah, we might finish in the bottom half of the 8 for the 8th consecutive year, which wasn't looking likely anyway before this crap hit the fan :?

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Post by avocadoontoast » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:51 am

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:45 am
avocadoontoast wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:29 am
momo&medo wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 8:38 am
Rothfiekd reported in the telegraph that WT Board has directed Pascoe not to release Cleary under any circumstances until minimum 1/2 million in compensation is paid.
Excellent, the old scorched earth policy. What could possibly go wrong.
No, its smart. He's contracted for 2 more years, its common sense to want compensation to release him. If the club gave him without wanting anything, they'd be accused of lying down and allowing themselves to be stepped over. They can't win either way. And its unfair given its a mess they didn't create.
That's fine, but if we end up with Cleary here in 2019 it will be a complete disaster. His position is untenable and will do potentially irreparable damage if he stays here any longer. Cut our losses, get rid of him, start again.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:56 am

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:45 am
avocadoontoast wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:29 am
momo&medo wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 8:38 am
Rothfiekd reported in the telegraph that WT Board has directed Pascoe not to release Cleary under any circumstances until minimum 1/2 million in compensation is paid.
Excellent, the old scorched earth policy. What could possibly go wrong.
No, its smart. He's contracted for 2 more years, its common sense to want compensation to release him. If the club gave him without wanting anything, they'd be accused of lying down and allowing themselves to be stepped over. They can't win either way. And its unfair given its a mess they didn't create.
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Post by NT Tiger » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:58 am

TheDaBoss wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:46 am
NT Tiger wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:44 am
Fade To Black wrote:
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 11:39 pm
TrueTiger wrote:
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 10:42 pm
YOU BLOKES AND GIRLS STILL DONT UNDERSTAND...….IVAN SIGNED A 3 YEAR CONTRACT WITH WTs ENDING IN 2020 ...HE CAN GO IF HE PLEASES WHERE HE PLEASES.....once again emotions run high ,,,IT IS HIS CAREER AND HE CAN GO WHERE HE LIKES IN 2021 AS LONG AS HE FULFILS HIS OBLIGATIONS FOR 3 YEARS AT THE WTS......



ITS THAT SIMPLE,,,,,
I don't think anybody is disputing that.
It is the decision of whether his position is untenable for 2019 and perhaps 2020 that is the cause for debate.
Untenable: adj. Incapable of being maintained.
Ivan has a contract. That may maintain him as the coach of Wests Tigers. We'll see soon I suppose.
its not his coaching position we are worrying about, its how the rumours and drama will affect our performance in the season to come
Of course, but the bottom line (the non-emotional legal bit) is, he has a contract.
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Post by Telltails » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:58 am

Is Ivan worth 1/2 mill to Penrith now they have secured Nathan? I really am not sure.
Ivan might end up being a coach that has gone from one that two clubs were fighting over to one, that neither really want.

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Post by avocadoontoast » Mon 22 Oct, 2018 10:01 am

Telltails wrote:
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 9:58 am
Is Ivan worth 1/2 mill to Penrith now they have secured Nathan? I really am not sure.
Ivan might end up being a coach that has gone from one that two clubs were fighting over to one, that neither really want.
Correct, and we'll be stuck with a coach that we don't want and doesn't want us.

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