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Re: Tigers set to part ways with Cleary and seal Bennett deal

Post by gallagher » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:04 am

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:50 am
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Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:43 am
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Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:32 am
Glennb wrote:
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I dont see how you think this. Penrith have all the aces. Penrith have IC signed for 2021-2024 on big money. We have him signed on a contract for 2019-20. Penrith are in a position to sit back and have Gould coach them through Ciraldo for as long as it takes. On the other hand we would have a guy coaching us who doesnt want to be here, lost respect of the players, constantly dogged by media AND we would lose all possibility of signing Bennett.

I think the best we could hope for would be Cleary leaves with no payout. We are not in a strong position, through no fault of our own.
On what planet would he have the right to a pay out from us :crazy
He could try and play it that way. If the club wants him gone all he has to say is he intends to see out his contract, sound familiar? the club can not just sack him if he "intends to fulfill his contract"
Pascoe is a bit smarter than to fall for that. Thankfully.
Is he? Didn't he pay $600k to Souths to take Farah, then as soon as Farah was off our books re-sign him? Doesn't sound too bright to me.


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Post by 851 » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:05 am

Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Fri 05 Oct, 2018 10:47 pm
gallagher wrote:
Fri 05 Oct, 2018 10:45 pm
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Fri 05 Oct, 2018 10:42 pm
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We hold all the aces....Penrith must be made to cough up big dollars for a starting point....Tighten the screws Wests Tigers.... :sign:
I keep coming back to this as well. There's no way Penrith will want a caretaker coach for the next 2 years. Make them give us James Fisher-Harris and Waqa Blake in return.
And there's no way we want Cleary either. It's delicate with no one having a great advantage.
Really we just need to work it so that we get a decent coach and don’t have to pay a cent for Ivan to leave. Anything extra is s bonus at this stage
Exactly, and the new coach might bring his own players with him, we only have a few spots left
Go hard or go home

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Post by Russell » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:17 am

gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:04 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:50 am
cochise wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:43 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:32 am

On what planet would he have the right to a pay out from us :crazy
He could try and play it that way. If the club wants him gone all he has to say is he intends to see out his contract, sound familiar? the club can not just sack him if he "intends to fulfill his contract"
Pascoe is a bit smarter than to fall for that. Thankfully.
Is he? Didn't he pay $600k to Souths to take Farah, then as soon as Farah was off our books re-sign him? Doesn't sound too bright to me.
Didn't pay anything to Souffs - paid Farah part of what we owed him with Souffs paying the rest.

We paid peanuts to get him back.

Sounds smart to me.

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Post by kafta » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:24 am

Russell wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:17 am
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:04 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:50 am
cochise wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:43 am


He could try and play it that way. If the club wants him gone all he has to say is he intends to see out his contract, sound familiar? the club can not just sack him if he "intends to fulfill his contract"
Pascoe is a bit smarter than to fall for that. Thankfully.
Is he? Didn't he pay $600k to Souths to take Farah, then as soon as Farah was off our books re-sign him? Doesn't sound too bright to me.
Didn't pay anything to Souffs - paid Farah part of what we owed him with Souffs paying the rest.

We paid peanuts to get him back.

Sounds smart to me.
We paid Farah $600k to play for Souths real smart :(

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Post by Nucky Thompson » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:33 am

gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:04 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:50 am
cochise wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:43 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:32 am

On what planet would he have the right to a pay out from us :crazy
He could try and play it that way. If the club wants him gone all he has to say is he intends to see out his contract, sound familiar? the club can not just sack him if he "intends to fulfill his contract"
Pascoe is a bit smarter than to fall for that. Thankfully.
Is he? Didn't he pay $600k to Souths to take Farah, then as soon as Farah was off our books re-sign him? Doesn't sound too bright to me.

He backs his coach which you need to do to get good coaches.


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Post by gallagher » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:34 am

Russell wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:17 am
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:04 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:50 am
cochise wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:43 am


He could try and play it that way. If the club wants him gone all he has to say is he intends to see out his contract, sound familiar? the club can not just sack him if he "intends to fulfill his contract"
Pascoe is a bit smarter than to fall for that. Thankfully.
Is he? Didn't he pay $600k to Souths to take Farah, then as soon as Farah was off our books re-sign him? Doesn't sound too bright to me.
Didn't pay anything to Souffs - paid Farah part of what we owed him with Souffs paying the rest.

We paid peanuts to get him back.

Sounds smart to me.
Sorry. We paid $600k to Farah to play elsewhere. Then signed him back.
And you think that is smart?

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Post by gallagher » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:35 am

Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:33 am
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:04 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:50 am
cochise wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:43 am


He could try and play it that way. If the club wants him gone all he has to say is he intends to see out his contract, sound familiar? the club can not just sack him if he "intends to fulfill his contract"
Pascoe is a bit smarter than to fall for that. Thankfully.
Is he? Didn't he pay $600k to Souths to take Farah, then as soon as Farah was off our books re-sign him? Doesn't sound too bright to me.

He backs his coach which you need to do to get good coaches.
He sacked Taylor in round 3!

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Post by Nucky Thompson » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:36 am

gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:35 am
Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:33 am
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:04 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:50 am

Pascoe is a bit smarter than to fall for that. Thankfully.
Is he? Didn't he pay $600k to Souths to take Farah, then as soon as Farah was off our books re-sign him? Doesn't sound too bright to me.

He backs his coach which you need to do to get good coaches.
He sacked Taylor in round 3!
My point is taylor had full control while he was here

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Post by Nucky Thompson » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:39 am

Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:36 am
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:35 am
Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:33 am
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:04 am


Is he? Didn't he pay $600k to Souths to take Farah, then as soon as Farah was off our books re-sign him? Doesn't sound too bright to me.

He backs his coach which you need to do to get good coaches.
He sacked Taylor in round 3!
My point is taylor had full control while he was here
However cleary was a bad move. Next coach a big one for him

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Post by tiger05premier » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:42 am

Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:33 am
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:04 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:50 am
cochise wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:43 am


He could try and play it that way. If the club wants him gone all he has to say is he intends to see out his contract, sound familiar? the club can not just sack him if he "intends to fulfill his contract"
Pascoe is a bit smarter than to fall for that. Thankfully.
Is he? Didn't he pay $600k to Souths to take Farah, then as soon as Farah was off our books re-sign him? Doesn't sound too bright to me.

He backs his coach which you need to do to get good coaches.
That's it

I'm pretty sure on both occasions Pascoe was backing the coach as he said he would do

JT fell on the back of his decisions and we are still waiting for all the details on IC

Either way the coach made the decision on RF leaving and returning

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Post by tiger05premier » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:44 am

Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:36 am
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:35 am
Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:33 am
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:04 am


Is he? Didn't he pay $600k to Souths to take Farah, then as soon as Farah was off our books re-sign him? Doesn't sound too bright to me.

He backs his coach which you need to do to get good coaches.
He sacked Taylor in round 3!
My point is taylor had full control while he was here
Exactly

Just wasn't up to it

Had his chance and blew it

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Post by gallagher » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:58 am

tiger05premier wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:42 am
Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:33 am
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:04 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:50 am

Pascoe is a bit smarter than to fall for that. Thankfully.
Is he? Didn't he pay $600k to Souths to take Farah, then as soon as Farah was off our books re-sign him? Doesn't sound too bright to me.

He backs his coach which you need to do to get good coaches.
That's it

I'm pretty sure on both occasions Pascoe was backing the coach as he said he would do

JT fell on the back of his decisions and we are still waiting for all the details on IC

Either way the coach made the decision on RF leaving and returning
He backed Taylor in getting rid of Farah then literally 3 games later sacks Taylor. Then let's the new coach bring back Farah. Now that coach wants out.

That's not good management at all. It's a shambles.

Oh yeah. A couple of blokes playing for Australia next week walked out on his shift aswell. He's going well.

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Post by Nucky Thompson » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 12:21 pm

gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:58 am
tiger05premier wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:42 am
Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:33 am
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:04 am


Is he? Didn't he pay $600k to Souths to take Farah, then as soon as Farah was off our books re-sign him? Doesn't sound too bright to me.

He backs his coach which you need to do to get good coaches.
That's it

I'm pretty sure on both occasions Pascoe was backing the coach as he said he would do

JT fell on the back of his decisions and we are still waiting for all the details on IC

Either way the coach made the decision on RF leaving and returning
He backed Taylor in getting rid of Farah then literally 3 games later sacks Taylor. Then let's the new coach bring back Farah. Now that coach wants out.

That's not good management at all. It's a shambles.

Oh yeah. A couple of blokes playing for Australia next week walked out on his shift aswell. He's going well.
I suppose you liked it when potter could not even pick his side and had no idea who was being offered contracts.

That's life mate taylor was a dud he backed him anyway he did his job and sacked him. He backed cleary too.

We can all agree pascoe and done a world of good off the field for us... we all knew pascoe does not have the football smarts as gould hence why gould could take advantage of us.


Pascoe just needs the right coach.

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Post by gallagher » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 12:23 pm

Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 12:21 pm
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:58 am
tiger05premier wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:42 am
Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:33 am



He backs his coach which you need to do to get good coaches.
That's it

I'm pretty sure on both occasions Pascoe was backing the coach as he said he would do

JT fell on the back of his decisions and we are still waiting for all the details on IC

Either way the coach made the decision on RF leaving and returning
He backed Taylor in getting rid of Farah then literally 3 games later sacks Taylor. Then let's the new coach bring back Farah. Now that coach wants out.

That's not good management at all. It's a shambles.

Oh yeah. A couple of blokes playing for Australia next week walked out on his shift aswell. He's going well.
I suppose you liked it when potter could not even pick his side and had no idea who was being offered contracts.

That's life mate taylor was a dud he backed him anyway he did his job and sacked him. He backed cleary too.

We can all agree pascoe and done a world of good off the field for us... we all knew pascoe does not have the football smarts as gould hence why gould could take advantage of us.


Pascoe just needs the right coach.
I don't agree that he's done the world of good for us off the field. What's he done?

I hope the new coach doesn't want to sign Moses too.

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Post by Snake » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 12:23 pm

jirskyr wrote:
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Dallas wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 10:16 am
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Sat 06 Oct, 2018 9:45 am
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I dont see how you think this. Penrith have all the aces. Penrith have IC signed for 2021-2024 on big money. We have him signed on a contract for 2019-20. Penrith are in a position to sit back and have Gould coach them through Ciraldo for as long as it takes. On the other hand we would have a guy coaching us who doesnt want to be here, lost respect of the players, constantly dogged by media AND we would lose all possibility of signing Bennett.

I think the best we could hope for would be Cleary leaves with no payout. We are not in a strong position, through no fault of our own.
You could also say Penrith have a coach treading water knowing he's keeping a seat warm and ready to be flicked at a moments notice... That could be construed as holding a pair or 2's
I agree Ink.
Penrith are desperate to get Clearly next year. We need to know this and hold out until they ask for it.
While we are waiting we need to start planning for next year.
Gus wants us to pay for Clearly to leave. He is a bully trying to get his way.
I agree w Quintus and ink. Panthers have, reportedly, already played their hand.

They can't get IC without Tigers agreement. At worst, Tigers keep the coach they already had for ~2 years and planned to have for 2 more. Cleary was never signed by us for 2021, so the only diff is he may have signed w Penrith for 2021.

What's worse - having a proven FG coach who is eventually leaving, or an unproven novice who knows he's just keeping the seat warm? And Tigers won't have to worry about IC's contract if the performance is poor, whereas Penrith will have taken on a coach w a poor recent performance. And then if Ciraldo does a good job, how do you demote him?

Panthers have taken on most of the risk, therefore it stands to reason that they'll have to pay up to mitigate that risk, i.e. get Ivan now. I am confident Tigers have already put their terms to Penrith about taking on IC now, and it's being negotiated - that's the delay.

The clubs all know a deal can ultimately be done and Penrith know there are enough good coaches on the market for Tigers to find an acceptable replacment. That's why Panthers are confident they'll get IC for 2019, because they will sweeten the deal financially to ensure it happens and their risk is removed.
Yes Penrith have played there hand they are in the Premiership winning window not in 2 years time, the Tigers still have a first grade coach even begrudgingly ...Penrith have a puppet.
Penrith will have to pay or there window disappears maybe a bit to smart for there own good.

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Post by tiger05premier » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 12:30 pm

gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:58 am
tiger05premier wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:42 am
Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:33 am
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:04 am


Is he? Didn't he pay $600k to Souths to take Farah, then as soon as Farah was off our books re-sign him? Doesn't sound too bright to me.

He backs his coach which you need to do to get good coaches.
That's it

I'm pretty sure on both occasions Pascoe was backing the coach as he said he would do

JT fell on the back of his decisions and we are still waiting for all the details on IC

Either way the coach made the decision on RF leaving and returning
He backed Taylor in getting rid of Farah then literally 3 games later sacks Taylor. Then let's the new coach bring back Farah. Now that coach wants out.

That's not good management at all. It's a shambles.

Oh yeah. A couple of blokes playing for Australia next week walked out on his shift aswell. He's going well.
He backed the coach yes

That's already been stated

The coach ended being sacked because yes and deserved it

He was just trying to do the right thing rather than end up in the mess we had under Potter

He than backed IC who got Farah back and Farah did a great job

Hardly Pascoe's fault what has transpired since than

Crap happens

Backing the coach to make the right decisions isn't the worse thing a CEO could do

Get overit move on

Pascoe and Go are doing a great job

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Post by tiger05premier » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 12:32 pm

Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 12:21 pm
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:58 am
tiger05premier wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:42 am
Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:33 am



He backs his coach which you need to do to get good coaches.
That's it

I'm pretty sure on both occasions Pascoe was backing the coach as he said he would do

JT fell on the back of his decisions and we are still waiting for all the details on IC

Either way the coach made the decision on RF leaving and returning
He backed Taylor in getting rid of Farah then literally 3 games later sacks Taylor. Then let's the new coach bring back Farah. Now that coach wants out.

That's not good management at all. It's a shambles.

Oh yeah. A couple of blokes playing for Australia next week walked out on his shift aswell. He's going well.
I suppose you liked it when potter could not even pick his side and had no idea who was being offered contracts.

That's life mate taylor was a dud he backed him anyway he did his job and sacked him. He backed cleary too.

We can all agree pascoe and done a world of good off the field for us... we all knew pascoe does not have the football smarts as gould hence why gould could take advantage of us.


Pascoe just needs the right coach.
Well said Nucky

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Post by tiger05premier » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 12:33 pm

gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 12:23 pm
Nucky Thompson wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 12:21 pm
gallagher wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:58 am
tiger05premier wrote:
Sat 06 Oct, 2018 11:42 am

That's it

I'm pretty sure on both occasions Pascoe was backing the coach as he said he would do

JT fell on the back of his decisions and we are still waiting for all the details on IC

Either way the coach made the decision on RF leaving and returning
He backed Taylor in getting rid of Farah then literally 3 games later sacks Taylor. Then let's the new coach bring back Farah. Now that coach wants out.

That's not good management at all. It's a shambles.

Oh yeah. A couple of blokes playing for Australia next week walked out on his shift aswell. He's going well.
I suppose you liked it when potter could not even pick his side and had no idea who was being offered contracts.

That's life mate taylor was a dud he backed him anyway he did his job and sacked him. He backed cleary too.

We can all agree pascoe and done a world of good off the field for us... we all knew pascoe does not have the football smarts as gould hence why gould could take advantage of us.


Pascoe just needs the right coach.
I don't agree that he's done the world of good for us off the field. What's he done?

I hope the new coach doesn't want to sign Moses too.
You serious?

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