Michael Maguire is not walking into another rebuild

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Michael Maguire is not walking into another rebuild

Post by WT2K » Mon 12 Nov, 2018 8:25 pm

MICHAEL CARAYANNIS THE SUNDAY TELEGRAPH NOVEMBER 12, 2018
Go also declared the Tigers need to end their seven-year finals exile. The Tigers have seemingly been in a constant rebuild since Tim Sheens was axed in 2012.

Mick Potter, Jason Taylor and Ivan Cleary were unsuccessful in bringing sustained success to the Tigers, who won their only premiership in 2005.

But Go said the foundations for success had now been laid.

“This is not a rebuild,” Go said. “The hard work was started with Jason and Ivan built on that.

“Michael has a platform now he can build from so we don’t have to start again.

Maguire will be the Tigers new coach. Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images.

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“I’ve had a couple of discussions with (Maguire) during the process. He was clear about that. He said he felt we had a really good solid group of players, there are some opportunities to fill some gaps on our list. We know that.

“He said he has some strong thoughts around that.

“This is a guy who likes to win premierships. He has been very upfront about that.

“He said to me ‘you know I like to win premierships’. We didn’t say he has to win one next year or 2020 but he is focused on winning. That’s important for where our clubs sits now.

“We have to get in the finals. Our club hasn’t played finals football since 2011. That’s a long break.

The Tigers have only made the finals three times in their history. Picture by Brett Costello.

“Ninth isn’t good enough. We need to turn our fans hope into reality. We are not saying we need to win the competition next year or be in the top four but there is an expectation that very soon and hopefully next year we have to be playing finals football.

“We need to be eighth or better. Anything less than that would be frustrating for our fans.”

When it became clear Cleary’s position at the club was untenable, Maguire and Wayne Bennett reached out to the Tigers.

Go said having the calibre of premiership winning coaches wanting to join their club shown how far the Tigers had progressed in recent years.

“It was harder four years ago because we were dealing with a lot of issues in the club that were really about rebuilding the entire club,” Go said.

“Not just the on field component. At the time we were looking for the best coach we could get.

“A lot of coaches that approached us but we weren’t necessarily being approached by coaches who had a lot of experience.

The club’s brass believe the rebuild work has already been done under Ivan Cleary. Picture by Gregg Porteous.

What we had we were really happy with. There are leaders for an organisation at a moment in time.

“We don’t have any regrets about what decisions have been made. Even though the recent coach stayed less time than we would have hoped he still did a great job. So did Jason Taylor in his first few years.

“It’s recognition for us that we had two of the most successful coaches in the league approach us to say that would be interested in coaching should Ivan leave.”

Go said there was no “bitterness” towards Cleary despite the sour taste his return to Penrith left on the club.

“We will always remember him as a good coach,” Go said. “He was good for our club. He gave our fans hope. That’s a really valuable thing to have given our fans who for years and years had in many ways lost hope. That’s why the disappointment from our fans was so personal. They believed in him. “They jumped straight on that bus.

“There was disappointment only because we had a very positive experience with Ivan until the day I got a call from a journalist to tell me Penrith were trying to sign our coach.”

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Post by innsaneink » Mon 12 Nov, 2018 8:28 pm

Like it was written by a 9yo

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Post by The Patriot » Mon 12 Nov, 2018 8:39 pm

WT2K wrote:
Mon 12 Nov, 2018 8:25 pm
He said he felt we had a really good solid group of players, there are some opportunities to fill some gaps on our list. We know that.


“We have to get in the finals. Our club hasn’t played finals football since 2011. That’s a long break.

“Ninth isn’t good enough.


We need to turn our fans hope into reality. We are not saying we need to win the competition next year or be in the top four but there is an expectation that very soon and hopefully next year we have to be playing finals football.


“We need to be eighth or better. Anything less than that would be frustrating for our fans.”

That’s why the disappointment from our fans was so personal. They believed in him. “They jumped straight on that bus.

This is a women/leader who has a very good read of the situation.

Happy the club is on good hands.
Its an opinion!

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Post by momo&medo » Mon 12 Nov, 2018 8:41 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Mon 12 Nov, 2018 8:28 pm
Like it was written by a 9yo
Yes agree ..... however interesting point is that management and coach have now made some serious noises that they expect improvement on this years table result so that means no pussy footing “we must make the eight”. I know that that’s the aim of every team but ....Up to now all the talk has been three year build to final eight and semi finals.
The roster we have currently will at best, get us outside the eight again so to me that means some significant re-engineering is needed. On top of what we have we need 4 good first graders or young players who have dipped successfully their toes into first grade already PLUS at least one (hopefully 2) gamebrakers.
Anyway ... Just my read on how things stand.

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Post by Jay » Mon 12 Nov, 2018 10:23 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Mon 12 Nov, 2018 8:28 pm
Like it was written by a 9yo
9yo/telegraph, same same


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Post by happy tiger » Mon 12 Nov, 2018 10:53 pm

Are we trying to convince others or ourselves ??

Rebuild has started but it is far from over and as we know all so well , we can slip into mediocrity so quickly

Praying it doesn't happen again

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Post by Kerry Cogger » Tue 13 Nov, 2018 3:08 am

Jay wrote:
Mon 12 Nov, 2018 10:23 pm
innsaneink wrote:
Mon 12 Nov, 2018 8:28 pm
Like it was written by a 9yo
9yo/telegraph, same same
Yup.just like 6yo/Smh or 3yo/ABC or 1yo/the project

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Post by Pawsandclaws » Tue 13 Nov, 2018 5:12 am

Kerry Cogger wrote:
Tue 13 Nov, 2018 3:08 am
Jay wrote:
Mon 12 Nov, 2018 10:23 pm
innsaneink wrote:
Mon 12 Nov, 2018 8:28 pm
Like it was written by a 9yo
9yo/telegraph, same same
Yup.just like 6yo/Smh or 3yo/ABC or 1yo/the project
It is written towards an audience,. Suggest you read the Fairfax press.

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Post by Lauren » Thu 15 Nov, 2018 12:04 pm

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Do the Wests Tigers have what it takes to end their finals drought in 2019?
Nick Campton, The Daily Telegraph
November 14, 2018 12:09pm

After falling just short of breaking their finals drought and changing bus drivers, the Tigers will be looking to go one better in 2019.

The joint venture now boasts the unenviable record of longest finals absence in the league having last appeared in the playoffs in 2011.

Gone are the big recruitment drives, the Tigers have only landed two players in the off-season and the sentiment at the club is clear — the time for rebuilds is over.

Full squad: Josh Aloiai, Luke Brooks, Michael Chee Kam, Oliver Clark, Matt Eisenhuth, Tyson Gamble, Luke Garner, Robbie Farah, Mahe Fonua, Chris Lawrence, Jacob Liddle, Benji Marshall, Esan Marsters, Ryan Matterson, Ben Matulino, Moses Mbye, Sam McIntyre, Chris McQueen, Thomas Mikaele, Paul Momirovski, David Nofoaluma, Russell Packer, Josh Reynolds, Robbie Rochow, Dylan Smith, Elijah Taylor, Corey Thompson, Alex Twal.

Ins: Ryan Matterson (Sydney Roosters), Paul Momirovski (Sydney Roosters)

Outs: Pita Godinet (released), Tim Grant (Penrith Panthers), Tui Lolohea (Leeds), Kevin Naiqama (St Helens), Sauaso Sue (Canterbury Bulldogs), Malakai Watene-Zelezniak (Penrith Panthers).

Best XVII: 1. Moses Mbye 2. Corey Thompson 3. Paul Momirovski 4. Esan Marsters 5. David Nofoaluma 6. Benji Marshall/Josh Reynolds 7. Luke Brooks 8. Russell Packer 9. Robbie Farah 10. Ben Matulino 11. Chris Lawrence 12. Ryan Matterson 13. Elijah Taylor 14. Josh Reynolds/Benji Marshall/Jacob Liddle 15. Alex Twal 16. Matt Eisenhuth 17. Josh Aloiai

FORWARDS
Ivan Cleary is gone but his horde of Kiwis remain. Russell Packer and Ben Matulino both enjoyed solid first seasons at Concord and Elijah Taylor has become a smothering defensive presence since he joined from Penrith.

Chris Lawrence had something of a comeback season last year and Ryan Matterson will be given first crack on the right edge.

Beyond the starters the men to watch are Alex Tawl — the Lebanese international is one of the most promising forwards in the league — and giant youngster Thomas Mikaele, who is yet to make his NRL debut.

Matterson has joined the club to secure a starting spot. Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images.
BACKS
Points were a problem at times last season for the Tigers but their 2-5 specialise in making metres from their own end.

Corey Thompson was one of the success stories of the season and David Nofoaluma has long been one of the best yardage wingers in the competition.

His stint in reserve grade early last season did him a world of good.

Esan Marsters has one centre spot locked up after a breakout 2018 while new recruit Paul Momirovski and cult hero Mahe Fonua will battle it out for the other spot.

SPINE
The Tigers playmakers are caught between the past and the future. Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah’s return was a feel good story the club really needed after a tough couple of years and the two enjoyed good seasons on the whole.


However both are close to the end of their careers and the prospective replacements — Josh Reynolds and Jacob Liddle — are already on the books.

Reynolds and Liddle were troubled by injury last season but fitting everyone in alongside Luke Brooks and Moses Mbye will be one of Michael Maguire’s biggest challenges.


What will the Tigers do with Josh Reynolds? Photo by Matt King/Getty Images.
RECRUITMENT STRENGTH
After some big recruitment drives in recent seasons the Tigers have focused on their two positions of need — centre and backrow.

Momirovski is an intriguing prospect who showed flashes of ability in his two NRL games last season and impressive composure in his semi-final cameo.

Matterson has been a prospect of note for several seasons and has the size and skill to make an immediate impact on the right edge.

The second Robbie Farah era is underway. Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images.
WHERE THEY’RE LACKING
Clarity in the spine. Josh Reynolds is on a hefty contract and Jacob Liddle is the club’s dummy half of the future.

Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah have both signed on for one more year, presumably under the assumption they’d stay in first grade.

Navigating this delicate situation and continuing to get the best out of Luke Brooks, who enjoyed the best year of his career last season, and Moses Mbye, who looked more comfortable at fullback as the year went on, will determine the Tigers’ fate in 2019.

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Post by TYGA » Sun 18 Nov, 2018 8:39 am

WHERE THE TIGERS ARE HEADED
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Don’t assume Wests Tigers are going to play a certain way next season.

Not even I know what style we’re going to use at this stage. It’s yet to be decided. That process will begin in earnest when I physically take charge of the team at training on Monday. We’ll work it all out over the pre-season.

I don’t come with a style and force it upon a team no matter what their playing roster looks like. I coached Wigan one way and South Sydney another way. This year I came at it from another angle with the New Zealand team.

I adapt to the people I’ve got within the team. The aim is to continually evolve as a group. If you can do that, the skills of the players improve and they develop into better players, which allows you to go further and further towards becoming a better team.

That’s the exciting part of coaching.

I’m looking forward to sitting down with each individual player of the Wests Tigers over the coming days and weeks.

We must be a strong defensive team. That needs to be instilled or you can’t hope to be successful.

In attack we’ve got a number of players with different skills and approaches. There’s Luke Brooks, who plays a straight and fast game, and Benji Marshall, who plays a bit sideways.

Josh Reynolds is a real competitor, Moses Mbye comes out of the back and chimes into the line in different ways and Robbie Farah has a variety of skills out of dummy half. Plus there are the guys who go through the middle.

I’m looking forward to getting a thorough understanding of each of those players and working the best of what they do into the game-plan we design.

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A NEW DAWN
The aim is to play finals footy. That’s why we do what we do.

I’ve got ambitions and expectations beyond that for my time at the club, but first we need to work really hard in the pre-season to put ourselves in a position to create opportunities moving forward.

So I’ll be hitting the ground running on Monday.

I’ll have done bits and pieces over the weekend after flying in on Friday night and that follows on from communications I had with Wests Tigers staff from over in England.

My focus was obviously on the Test series, but I was still able to put a lot of things in place and some of that was based around a lot of young kids starting training last week. The more senior players will start the same day I do.

I can’t wait. I feel refreshed. I’m keen to impart my knowledge on the team. I’ve had a bit of a break from club coaching, which wasn’t intended, and I’ve spent a lot of time in my year off just working with many different departments and leadership groups at the NRL.

I’ve learned something new and met a lot of good people and really enjoyed it, but now it’s time to get back into club-land and I feel very fortunate to be able to do that at an organisation like Wests Tigers. I see a huge amount of upside in it.

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Post by Geo. » Sun 18 Nov, 2018 9:34 am

Merged..
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
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Post by 851 » Sun 18 Nov, 2018 11:44 am

^^^^^
A good read, may quiten some of the old Maguire has no plan B brigade
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Post by innsaneink » Sun 18 Nov, 2018 12:56 pm

We must be a strong defensive team. That needs to be instilled or you can’t hope to be successful.
Hope this continues...Cleary got the ball rolling here...

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Post by happy tiger » Sun 18 Nov, 2018 1:56 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Sun 18 Nov, 2018 12:56 pm
We must be a strong defensive team. That needs to be instilled or you can’t hope to be successful.
Hope this continues...Cleary got the ball rolling here...
Very true Ink

I'm just hoping we don't rely so much on our scramble defence and can cut down the original missed tackles

That is going to be the initial problem

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Sun 18 Nov, 2018 2:50 pm

Good attitude from Maguire. In a manner of speaking Go has boxed him in from the get go by saying that this will not be a rebuild year and that they are expecting results.
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Post by Geo. » Sun 18 Nov, 2018 2:58 pm

Attack with our defence a Wests Tigers fans dream..

Madge must have been reading the forum also with those claiming he only one style of play based on forwards rolling through the ruck only..I like that he has said he will asses the strengths of OUR team ...although I'm not real sure what they are..so be good if he could let us know..
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
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Thu 25 Oct, 2018 12:17 am
OK I was wrong
happy tiger wrote:
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Post by happy tiger » Sun 18 Nov, 2018 5:15 pm

Geo. wrote:
Sun 18 Nov, 2018 2:58 pm
Attack with our defence a Wests Tigers fans dream..

Madge must have been reading the forum also with those claiming he only one style of play based on forwards rolling through the ruck only..I like that he has said he will asses the strengths of OUR team ...although I'm not real sure what they are..so be good if he could let us know..
I hope he can do something better than check out the players asses

I hope our team doesn't make an ass of Madge .....

Maybe some people need to asses Geo :shock:

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