Why Nathan Cleary was never heading to the WT's

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Re: Why Nathan Cleary was never heading to the WT's

Post by 851 » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:08 pm

Cultured Bogan wrote:
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Own your decisions. Take responsibility for your actions.
Far out - In the Cleary household they believe they were the victims and now its over and we all just move on.
As far as I am aware Cleary senior still hasn’t apologised to or even recognised the fans. That’s unaustralian. His actions were selfish and poor in the extreme and he has to carry that forever. But I really don’t think he cares - maybe when he’s lying in bed at night.
Ivan doesn't care mate. The jeers and insults might sting the first game we play against the Panthers, especially if we win, but he's locked down for five years, Nathan is locked down for six. They are laughing all the way to the bank. He'll learn to deal with the hate that Wests fans will deal out to him.

We came out OK, got a better coach and some financial compo out of it, the last laugh to be had is to enjoy a premiership while they don't at Penrith.
That would be karma personified, and funny as :pray:
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Post by happy tiger » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:09 pm

Cultured Bogan wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 12:57 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 12:46 pm
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Why’s he arrogant? Lol get a grip.
I was never coming to the WT's .........had how many months to say that..............GNR

No reason to do the interview how many months later ......he just wants to rub it in .....poor Dad ......can I borrow the Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance please :cry:
As if he does that, then Penrith lowball him.
Cone on Penrith have obviously known for a very long time Ivan was coming back ,and knew Nathan was staying

I think we all need to come to that realization , this was planned far in advance

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Post by Geo. » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:12 pm

colmcd wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 2:52 pm
Geo. wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 5:36 am
Yawn..
Geo what's with your signature?
"Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over.."

Was that a JT or Mick Potter Quote?

Honestly looking at how Penrith threw out Griffin, before the finals no less. I don't think the statement is fair on us Now.
Did Nathan Cleary organise that? Did the Penrith team do it to keep Cleary?

The Player group is not in charge anymore, and I pity the poor player that tries this with Madge.
Benji said it amidst the Voldermort saga..
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
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Post by happy tiger » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:13 pm

Geo. wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:12 pm
colmcd wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 2:52 pm
Geo. wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 5:36 am
Yawn..
Geo what's with your signature?
"Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over.."

Was that a JT or Mick Potter Quote?

Honestly looking at how Penrith threw out Griffin, before the finals no less. I don't think the statement is fair on us Now.
Did Nathan Cleary organise that? Did the Penrith team do it to keep Cleary?

The Player group is not in charge anymore, and I pity the poor player that tries this with Madge.
Benji said it amidst the Voldermort saga..
Who's Voldermort

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Post by Geo. » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:21 pm

He who shall not be named... :roll:
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..
happy tiger wrote:
Thu 25 Oct, 2018 12:17 am
OK I was wrong
happy tiger wrote:
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Post by Silentio » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:23 pm

formerguest wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 10:06 am
Silentio wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 9:38 am
For those going on about 'loyalty' - get off your high horse.

Coaches and players have no loyalty. It's a job. They go to the highest bidder.

They aren't fans like us.
For those that look at life that way, yes, but certainly not that way for all. Not everyone is self centered and greedy.
I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.

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Post by Silentio » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:31 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:09 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 12:57 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 12:46 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 6:20 am
Why’s he arrogant? Lol get a grip.
I was never coming to the WT's .........had how many months to say that..............GNR

No reason to do the interview how many months later ......he just wants to rub it in .....poor Dad ......can I borrow the Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance please :cry:
As if he does that, then Penrith lowball him.
Cone on Penrith have obviously known for a very long time Ivan was coming back ,and knew Nathan was staying

I think we all need to come to that realization , this was planned far in advance
Good call.

Penrith were never letting Nathan Cleary go. Nathan knew it, Ivan knew it, we knew it (that's why we never approached him).

Gus Gould has been around long enough to know that coach and son on opposing teams is only ever short term.

The writing was on the wall in giant letters, way back. Plenty of people on this forum called it too and were bagged for it.

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Post by happy tiger » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:31 pm

Geo. wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:21 pm
He who shall not be named... :roll:
Oh Royston Lightning

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Post by TheDaBoss » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 4:07 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:31 pm
Geo. wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:21 pm
He who shall not be named... :roll:
Oh Royston Lightning
Parry Hotter
:sign: + :deadhorse: = Ivan in a nutshell

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Post by Harvey » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 4:42 pm

Silentio wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:23 pm
formerguest wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 10:06 am
Silentio wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 9:38 am
For those going on about 'loyalty' - get off your high horse.

Coaches and players have no loyalty. It's a job. They go to the highest bidder.

They aren't fans like us.
For those that look at life that way, yes, but certainly not that way for all. Not everyone is self centered and greedy.
I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.
They are well paid, with half earning as much as the prime minister. If they don’t like the volatility, then go and get a real job.

A good coach should make a good manager in almost any profession.

Is there a more insular, ignorant and arrogant family than the Cleary’s? My poor daddy was portrayed as a money hungry grub with no integrity, just because he basically is one.

I hope things go pear shaped at Penrith very quickly, with crap results forcing more daddy and daughter time as they defend themselves against teammates and media that point out how horribly overrated they both are

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 6:45 pm

Silentio wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:23 pm
formerguest wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 10:06 am
Silentio wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 9:38 am
For those going on about 'loyalty' - get off your high horse.

Coaches and players have no loyalty. It's a job. They go to the highest bidder.

They aren't fans like us.
For those that look at life that way, yes, but certainly not that way for all. Not everyone is self centered and greedy.
I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.
I agree completely about loyalty, and I’ve never been able to understand why we expect it from players, coaches and especially from clubs, it’s a professional game and some of us seem to forget that at times,

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 7:33 pm

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 6:45 pm
Silentio wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:23 pm
formerguest wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 10:06 am
Silentio wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 9:38 am
For those going on about 'loyalty' - get off your high horse.

Coaches and players have no loyalty. It's a job. They go to the highest bidder.

They aren't fans like us.
For those that look at life that way, yes, but certainly not that way for all. Not everyone is self centered and greedy.
I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.
I agree completely about loyalty, and I’ve never been able to understand why we expect it from players, coaches and especially from clubs, it’s a professional game and some of us seem to forget that at times,
We expect loyalty because the fans are more than just financially invested, we are emotionally invested. Anything negative that happens to our club or favourite players is interpreted as a wrong against us. That's the parochialism of Rugby League. The fans haven't changed, the game has.
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Post by The Patriot » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 8:26 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:09 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 12:57 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 12:46 pm
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 6:20 am
Why’s he arrogant? Lol get a grip.
I was never coming to the WT's .........had how many months to say that..............GNR

No reason to do the interview how many months later ......he just wants to rub it in .....poor Dad ......can I borrow the Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance please :cry:
As if he does that, then Penrith lowball him.
Cone on Penrith have obviously known for a very long time Ivan was coming back ,and knew Nathan was staying

I think we all need to come to that realization , this was planned far in advance

Good post.

First time i have agreed with one of your posts. Probabaly the last.

Good post though.
Its an opinion!

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Thu 06 Dec, 2018 11:53 pm

Cultured Bogan wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 7:33 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 6:45 pm
Silentio wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:23 pm
formerguest wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 10:06 am


For those that look at life that way, yes, but certainly not that way for all. Not everyone is self centered and greedy.
I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.
I agree completely about loyalty, and I’ve never been able to understand why we expect it from players, coaches and especially from clubs, it’s a professional game and some of us seem to forget that at times,
We expect loyalty because the fans are more than just financially invested, we are emotionally invested. Anything negative that happens to our club or favourite players is interpreted as a wrong against us. That's the parochialism of Rugby League. The fans haven't changed, the game has.
Yeah , youte right, most loyalty comes from the fans who in a lot of cases stay loyal to a club for life, but some seem to expect players to be loyal to their club as well.

I find it interesting that players are considered to be good people if they make decisions that we like and the ones who don’t, get regarded as being bad people, even though most of us wouldn’t have a clue what either player Is really like,
We can’t really say whether a player stays at our club because he was handed a lucrative TPA, or because he is a nice religious boy who goes to church two times a week and lLoves the club”.

While we look at a favourite player and see what a nice person he is, I’d still bet that a really handy TPA or some other inducement would have most most players having a long look at
The bottom line, ( and why shouldn’t they)
We’ve all seen time and time over, clubs will shaft anyone if it suits them , players are no different,
What looks like loyalty today , is often found out later on , Something entirely different.

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Post by innsaneink » Fri 07 Dec, 2018 6:02 am

They get paid well and deservedly so.... I think most of us would seriously reconsider our careers if we had to put our bodies through what these blokes do

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Post by Telltails » Fri 07 Dec, 2018 6:05 am

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 11:53 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 7:33 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 6:45 pm
Silentio wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:23 pm


I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.
I agree completely about loyalty, and I’ve never been able to understand why we expect it from players, coaches and especially from clubs, it’s a professional game and some of us seem to forget that at times,
We expect loyalty because the fans are more than just financially invested, we are emotionally invested. Anything negative that happens to our club or favourite players is interpreted as a wrong against us. That's the parochialism of Rugby League. The fans haven't changed, the game has.
Yeah , youte right, most loyalty comes from the fans who in a lot of cases stay loyal to a club for life, but some seem to expect players to be loyal to their club as well.

I find it interesting that players are considered to be good people if they make decisions that we like and the ones who don’t, get regarded as being bad people, even though most of us wouldn’t have a clue what either player Is really like,
We can’t really say whether a player stays at our club because he was handed a lucrative TPA, or because he is a nice religious boy who goes to church two times a week and lLoves the club”.

While we look at a favourite player and see what a nice person he is, I’d still bet that a really handy TPA or some other inducement would have most most players having a long look at
The bottom line, ( and why shouldn’t they)
We’ve all seen time and time over, clubs will shaft anyone if it suits them , players are no different,
What looks like loyalty today , is often found out later on , Something entirely different.
Fans are not objective about most things in the NRL. The colour of a jumper can change things in the blink of an eye.

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Fri 07 Dec, 2018 6:23 am

Telltails wrote:
Fri 07 Dec, 2018 6:05 am
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 11:53 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 7:33 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 6:45 pm


I agree completely about loyalty, and I’ve never been able to understand why we expect it from players, coaches and especially from clubs, it’s a professional game and some of us seem to forget that at times,
We expect loyalty because the fans are more than just financially invested, we are emotionally invested. Anything negative that happens to our club or favourite players is interpreted as a wrong against us. That's the parochialism of Rugby League. The fans haven't changed, the game has.
Yeah , youte right, most loyalty comes from the fans who in a lot of cases stay loyal to a club for life, but some seem to expect players to be loyal to their club as well.

I find it interesting that players are considered to be good people if they make decisions that we like and the ones who don’t, get regarded as being bad people, even though most of us wouldn’t have a clue what either player Is really like,
We can’t really say whether a player stays at our club because he was handed a lucrative TPA, or because he is a nice religious boy who goes to church two times a week and lLoves the club”.

While we look at a favourite player and see what a nice person he is, I’d still bet that a really handy TPA or some other inducement would have most most players having a long look at
The bottom line, ( and why shouldn’t they)
We’ve all seen time and time over, clubs will shaft anyone if it suits them , players are no different,
What looks like loyalty today , is often found out later on , Something entirely different.
Fans are not objective about most things in the NRL. The colour of a jumper can change things in the blink of an eye.
A lot on here we’re advocating Nathan breaking his contract a year early to come here. That was no problem. Suddenly Ivan breaks his contract 2 years early and he’s Ivan the terrible, a bad person with no morals.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Fri 07 Dec, 2018 8:12 am

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 11:53 pm
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 7:33 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 6:45 pm
Silentio wrote:
Thu 06 Dec, 2018 3:23 pm


I hear what you're saying.

But footy is a brutal business.

Coaches are constantly being backstabbed and undermined by players, especially if there's a bad run.

Management and boards are quick to sack a coach as a quick fix to hide their own deficiencies.

This forum should be enough to show that fans can be cruel too.

The reality is that more than half the coaches today won't be around in 10 years and only the Wayne Bennetts of the world will be around in 20 (and he's not exactly loyal).

Expecting loyalty is just unrealistic. Preaching about it is plain silly.
I agree completely about loyalty, and I’ve never been able to understand why we expect it from players, coaches and especially from clubs, it’s a professional game and some of us seem to forget that at times,
We expect loyalty because the fans are more than just financially invested, we are emotionally invested. Anything negative that happens to our club or favourite players is interpreted as a wrong against us. That's the parochialism of Rugby League. The fans haven't changed, the game has.
Yeah , youte right, most loyalty comes from the fans who in a lot of cases stay loyal to a club for life, but some seem to expect players to be loyal to their club as well.

I find it interesting that players are considered to be good people if they make decisions that we like and the ones who don’t, get regarded as being bad people, even though most of us wouldn’t have a clue what either player Is really like,
We can’t really say whether a player stays at our club because he was handed a lucrative TPA, or because he is a nice religious boy who goes to church two times a week and lLoves the club”.

While we look at a favourite player and see what a nice person he is, I’d still bet that a really handy TPA or some other inducement would have most most players having a long look at
The bottom line, ( and why shouldn’t they)
We’ve all seen time and time over, clubs will shaft anyone if it suits them , players are no different,
What looks like loyalty today , is often found out later on , Something entirely different.
I'm not saying you're wrong GCT, just giving my opinion on why fans expect loyalty.

The game has moved on on from having a lot of one-club players. It's the reason I wasn't upset that Mbye was released to come to us early but once it was evident that Ivan had done the dirty I was ropeable.
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