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Unread post by happy tiger » Thu 16 Nov, 2017 10:29 pm

Funny many of our selectors came from an era in the late 80's when we were rebuilding that we stuck strong with players and gave them the chance to bat themselves back into form

I'll be dumbfounded if Renshaw is dumped


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Unread post by Cultured Bogan » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 8:07 am

Bad idea shafting Renshaw. That kid is the goods.
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Unread post by Cultured Bogan » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 8:13 am

Mine personally:

Renshaw
Warner
Smith
Khawaja
Handscomb
Bancroft
Nevill
Starc
Cummins
Lyon
Hazlewood

If Nevill fails I'd look at bringing in T-Paine.

This team is a No Wades Club.
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Unread post by Geo. » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 8:14 am

Cultured Bogan wrote:
Fri 17 Nov, 2017 8:07 am
Bad idea shafting Renshaw. That kid is the goods.
I agree but it's not without precedent ..plenty of players have been dropped on poor domestic form and come back better players..including some of the current selectors..

We complain a lot when form players aren't selected over incumbents..
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Unread post by Cultured Bogan » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 8:15 am

Geo. wrote:
Fri 17 Nov, 2017 8:14 am
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Fri 17 Nov, 2017 8:07 am
Bad idea shafting Renshaw. That kid is the goods.
I agree but it's not without precedent ..plenty of players have been dropped on poor domestic form and come back better players..including some of the current selectors..

We complain a lot when form players aren't selected over incumbents..
True but I reckon Hughes and Khawaja's development were both set back by yoyoing in and out of the side.
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Unread post by happy tiger » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 9:54 am

Cultured Bogan wrote:
Fri 17 Nov, 2017 8:15 am
Geo. wrote:
Fri 17 Nov, 2017 8:14 am
Cultured Bogan wrote:
Fri 17 Nov, 2017 8:07 am
Bad idea shafting Renshaw. That kid is the goods.
I agree but it's not without precedent ..plenty of players have been dropped on poor domestic form and come back better players..including some of the current selectors..

We complain a lot when form players aren't selected over incumbents..
True but I reckon Hughes and Khawaja's development were both set back by yoyoing in and out of the side.
I think the big difference is 15 years ago when you came back to shield cricket you were facing quality bowling and batsmen

Renshaw deserved 2 Tests to see if he could find some form

And the same goes with the step up from Shield to Test cricket , it is far greater than it ever has been

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Unread post by happy tiger » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 10:08 am

The other issue I have is Marsh , how many Tests until Humpty Dumpty gets injured again

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Unread post by Tigerdon » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 10:16 am

Full squad: Steve Smith (captain), David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Jackson Bird, Pat Cummins, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Chadd Sayers, Mitchell Starc

From the BBC

Australia have handed a surprise call-up to wicketkeeper Tim Paine for the first Ashes Test in Brisbane.

The 32-year-old, who has not been keeping for state side Tasmania, last played a Test in 2010.

England-born opener Matt Renshaw, 21, is left out in favour of uncapped 24-year-old Cameron Bancroft, while batsman Shaun Marsh, 34, earns a recall and is set to bat at number six.

The first Test at the Gabba begins on 23 November at 00:00 GMT.

England hold the Ashes after winning the 2015 series 3-2.

Chadd Sayers joins Jackson Bird in providing cover to a strong pace-bowling attack of Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins and Josh Hazlewood.

In all, Australia have dropped six players who played in their last Test, a seven-wicket win in Bangladesh in September.

All-rounders Glenn Maxwell and Hilton Cartwright, spinners Ashton Agar and Steve O'Keefe and wicketkeeper Matthew Wade join Renshaw in missing out.

While Wade's omission is no surprise - the 29-year-old has a highest score of 17 in the Sheffield Shield this season and has passed 50 only once in 10 Tests - that he has been replaced by Paine is.

Indeed, Wade was keeping Paine out of the Tasmania side in October, with Paine sent to play for a Cricket Australia XI against England in a warm-up game in Adelaide.

However, Paine made a half-century, and was recalled from another scheduled appearance against England in Townsville to play for Tasmania against Victoria, where he made an unbeaten 71 playing as a specialist batsman.

Cameron Bancroft celebrates his double century for Western Australia against South Africa this week
Cameron Bancroft averages 39.54 in 66 first-class matches
"Tim was identified as an an international player a long time ago and has always been renowned as a very good gloveman," said Australia national selector Trevor Hohns.

"His batting form in recent outings for the Cricket Australia XI and Tasmania have been good."

Renshaw, who was born in Middlesbrough and was a childhood friend on England captain Joe Root, made his Test debut a year ago and registered a century in his fourth match, against Pakistan.

However, the 21-year-old has a highest score of 19 in six Shield innings in the Australian summer and is replaced by Bancroft, who made 228 not out for Western Australia against South Australia.

Bancroft is also a wicketkeeper, but will not take the gloves in favour of concentrating on his role at the top of the order.

"Cameron has been a player of interest to us for some time now," said Hohns. "He is a very talented and tough cricketer who shows a good temperament for Test cricket."
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Unread post by maxxy86 » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 10:27 am

I've always thought T Paine to being the best keeper in Australia but his finger injury come at the wrong time. Only has one first class century to his name tho which is a concern.
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Unread post by Tigerdon » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 10:31 am

Chadd Sayers is probably in the squad for the S.A test.
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Unread post by Cultured Bogan » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 10:52 am

maxxy86 wrote:
Fri 17 Nov, 2017 10:27 am
I've always thought T Paine to being the best keeper in Australia but his finger injury come at the wrong time. Only has one first class century to his name tho which is a concern.
His Test average is higher (granted it was only four games,) than his FC average. 35 to 29.
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Unread post by maxxy86 » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 11:46 am

Been a fan of the Marsh boys for a long time,was even a G Marsh fan. However we shouldn't go with Shaun at 6, instead we need an allrounder like H Cartwright imo.
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Unread post by Harvey » Fri 17 Nov, 2017 4:24 pm

Watch the outcry if one of the bowlers breaks down. How Marsh got selected is beyond me.
Is Langer still involved in the national team, if so he should be punted. Undermined national players to push a WA agenda.
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Unread post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 20 Nov, 2017 9:01 am

maxxy86 wrote:
Fri 17 Nov, 2017 11:46 am
Been a fan of the Marsh boys for a long time,was even a G Marsh fan. However we shouldn't go with Shaun at 6, instead we need an allrounder like H Cartwright imo.
We don't need an allrounder, we have four bowlers capable of taking 20 wickets (plus Smudge and Warner can rip a few through,) and we are brittle in the batting order. #6 should be a specialist bat, especially since none of our keepers have stood up with the bat. Even Paine isn't all that great with the willow.

Wade would be on suicide watch at the moment, loses his spot to to a guy in his state team who he keeps in front of.
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Unread post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 20 Nov, 2017 9:02 am

Really disappointed that Renshaw got bumped, but I can understand the logic. Public have long whinged that players performing for state are being overlooked and now the selectors are somewhat listening.
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Unread post by happy tiger » Mon 20 Nov, 2017 11:16 pm

Cultured Bogan wrote:
Mon 20 Nov, 2017 9:02 am
Really disappointed that Renshaw got bumped, but I can understand the logic. Public have long whinged that players performing for state are being overlooked and now the selectors are somewhat listening.
Not having a go at you CB , but when Warner was in a slump they didn't go looking for the axe , did they ??

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Unread post by supercoach » Tue 21 Nov, 2017 3:03 am

I came from a era when a incumbent test cricketer got at least two tests in the next series before he faced the axe. You can name them all,Boon,Border,Taylor,Chappell,Clarke..they all had a long streak of outs where the selectors kept picking them.

Don’t get me wrong plenty of cricketers have come back bigger and better after being dumped, but I just can’t see the logic of dropping Renshaw and picking Marsh. Of course the other thing we loose a great first gripper

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Unread post by happy tiger » Tue 21 Nov, 2017 7:20 am

And my other issue is this

We pick a team for two Tests

First Test we lose within three days and get done by an innings , we pick the same side from the squad of 13

Meanwhile Renshaw gets a ton in each innings , Maxwell get 6-20 and scores a 150 and Wade actually catches the ball twice in an innings

The Poms have done this in the past and failed , yet we think it will work for us

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