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Post by Peaches » Tue 12 Oct, 2010 10:56 pm

Punter has given the bowlers something to bowl to. If its not easy to bat on, the Aussies could give it a shake.


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Post by Jazza » Tue 12 Oct, 2010 11:37 pm

Would love to see the tail scrap out another 50 runs or so because it then becomes a time situation as well.

A target of about 240 from 75 overs will make things VERRRY interesting.
Scoring at over 3 runs an over will not be easy on this pitch.

Australia need to get themselves into a situation like that where its a tempting target.
If they get bowled out quickly tomorrow then India can just block their way to victory or if the target becomes to far out of reach, then they can just block their way to a draw and it may not be easy to get wickets if they're in that frame of mind.

I think they have done well to get to 200, when we were 5/130 odd, I thought we'd get bowled out for 160.

I think Watson needs to bowl a lot more tomorrow. He should be reasonably fresh, its not like he made a big score, and he wont be in the upcoming ODI series so he can get some rest afterwards.
Unlike Mohali I dont think the short deliveries will work as much and so a stump to stump line with some reverse should be idea for Watson.

Even though we probably wont win the series, I think we've done pretty well. I think India have been by far the better side yet, if you look at how things have panned out, it looks pretty even which is a good effort from a side that has had only half the side play in those conditions before.
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Post by Jazza » Thu 14 Oct, 2010 3:17 pm

I must say, the way Ponting shifted the blame onto Hauritz about the poor field placings critisised by Warnie, was a disgrace.
"Every field that Nathan has had to bowl with since he's been here has been at his request - it's the field he wants to bowl to," said Ponting.

"Unfortunately it doesn't appear that Shane would take the time to ask anyone about that."
It reminds me of when he was angry at Allan Border after AB questioned his tactics by bowling part timers to improve the over rate rather then go for the win in India 2 years ago.

Once again Ponting shifts the blame, Ponting is always right it seems.

As a captain, if Ponting doesnt like the field, then he should overrule his bowler.

I think this has come about by having guys like Warne and McGrath in the side where he didnt need to set fields for them.

To put things in perspective, he captained those guys for 3 years (04-07), how long has it been since those guys have retired? Nearly 4 years (07-11). I thought after winning in South Africa we had turned the corner but since then we have won just 3 test series against terrible opposition.
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Post by Geo. » Thu 14 Oct, 2010 3:57 pm

I know....how dare we not win 23 Tests in a row....

On this occasion Ponting is right...

Hauritz bowled ave to Crap...The Indian batsman toyed with him...it wouldn't have mattered what field he set....Hard to put fielders all over the boundry and in the stands...to his credit though he never gave up trying and his doosra to Tendulker was great...1 ball...

Maybe Warnie should shut his big mouth or come out of semi retirement and help out his country rather than taking pot shots from the comfort of his TWITTER....
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Post by Cultured Bogan » Thu 14 Oct, 2010 4:11 pm

Poor form by Ponting. As much as I hate to say it (as Punter is my favourite player) when it comes to taking the reins and showing some real leadership, he really falls over. Like most others, I believe his average decisions in the field over the last few years have occurred since Warnie, Pigeon and Gilly all upped stumps and he very much struggles without their expertise.

I think when the going gets tough Punter really needs someone to lean on and in recent years he makes the wrong decisions or just goes missing, and thats not the making of a captain. If you are going to take the accolades when the team is going well, you have to take the criticism when they're not. Ponting should have taken the hit with a smile and moved on. As a captain, hanging a team mate out to dry in the media is pretty poor.

Having said that, I like Hauritz but he is average at best. The selectors should look to back Smith now, blooding him now will only benefit him and the team. Warnie needs to get in the nets with him and start handing down his wisdom, instead of crucifying Punter in the media.

The selectors are every bit to blame as Punter in this situation... When Smith, Ferguson and Hughes are all struggling to get a look in while North, Hussey and Hauritz can rely on one good innings out of every twenty to guarantee their selection you know there's something terribly wrong.
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Post by Jazza » Thu 14 Oct, 2010 4:58 pm

Geo. wrote:I know....how dare we not win 23 Tests in a row....

On this occasion Ponting is right...

Hauritz bowled ave to Crap...The Indian batsman toyed with him...it wouldn't have mattered what field he set....Hard to put fielders all over the boundry and in the stands...to his credit though he never gave up trying and his doosra to Tendulker was great...1 ball...

Maybe Warnie should shut his big mouth or come out of semi retirement and help out his country rather than taking pot shots from the comfort of his TWITTER....
I'd take 1 in a row at the moment!

I dont believe Ponting was right. If Hauritz wanted fieldsman on the point boundary, at long on, long off, etc. Then obviously he is struggling for confidence, and as a captain, it was up to Ponting to instill some confidence in him and say 'No you are a good enough bowler to have these fieldsman up'.

Having those fieldsman back allowed Hauritz to bowl bad balls because there was protection on the boundary.

In my opinion spinners get a lot of their wickets through building pressure, especially a bowler like Hauritz who doesnt turn it much, and with the fields set, the Indians werent under pressure at all.

Former Indian spinner Bishan Bedi claims Ponting "Is not a good spinners captain" and I feel he is right, he just does not know how to set fields for them, they are too defensive and it shows a lack of faith in them.
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Post by tig_prmz » Thu 14 Oct, 2010 6:37 pm

Michael Clarke was very disappointing TBH. I would say give him a rest and let him play for NSW a bit to regain his confidence. He is playing very defensively and very unconfidently.

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Post by Peaches » Thu 14 Oct, 2010 8:16 pm

I too am a fan of Punter, but saying Hauritz gets the field he wants is not right, even if he does. You don't say those things to the media, let alone out allowed at all.

I too don't think Ricky is the strongest in regards to dealing with a spin bowler. It would be pretty hard though losing someone like Warne who you didn't need to worry about, to the next best being Hauritz, a player who really struggles with confidence.

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Post by Geo. » Thu 14 Oct, 2010 8:32 pm

Jazza wrote:
Geo. wrote:I know....how dare we not win 23 Tests in a row....

On this occasion Ponting is right...

Hauritz bowled ave to Crap...The Indian batsman toyed with him...it wouldn't have mattered what field he set....Hard to put fielders all over the boundry and in the stands...to his credit though he never gave up trying and his doosra to Tendulker was great...1 ball...

Maybe Warnie should shut his big mouth or come out of semi retirement and help out his country rather than taking pot shots from the comfort of his TWITTER....
I'd take 1 in a row at the moment!

I dont believe Ponting was right. If Hauritz wanted fieldsman on the point boundary, at long on, long off, etc. Then obviously he is struggling for confidence, and as a captain, it was up to Ponting to instill some confidence in him and say 'No you are a good enough bowler to have these fieldsman up'.

Having those fieldsman back allowed Hauritz to bowl bad balls because there was protection on the boundary.

In my opinion spinners get a lot of their wickets through building pressure, especially a bowler like Hauritz who doesnt turn it much, and with the fields set, the Indians werent under pressure at all.

Former Indian spinner Bishan Bedi claims Ponting "Is not a good spinners captain" and I feel he is right, he just does not know how to set fields for them, they are too defensive and it shows a lack of faith in them.
Jazza...c'mon mate....having fields back allowed him to bowl bad balls....riiiight....

He didn't cut it over there...no shame in that..He wasan't bowling well enough..I would even hazzard a guess if we had had Harbajan the result would have been different...Hauritz conceeded 22 from his first two overs on the last day and 11 in his first comeback over...that's when Pointing had the fields up...If it continued it would have been over by tea...
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Post by Marshall_magic » Thu 14 Oct, 2010 8:49 pm

Geo. wrote:I know....how dare we not win 23 Tests in a row....
Right now we'd struggle to win 2-3 in a row. The only decent side we've won a series against recently was South Africa away last year before the Ashes. Every other decent side we've played has beaten us. If we didn't play rubbish sides like New Zealand, West Indies and Pakistan (who try to lose games), we'd struggle to win any games at all. We are currently 5th on the test rankings, and if we drop the Ashes this year, Ponting has to get the flick.

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Post by stryker » Thu 14 Oct, 2010 9:55 pm

Good on Punter for giving it back to Warnie....its very easy to criticise when you are sitting on your arse with a chardonnay in your hand.

I feel sorry for Rick, he is an Australian legend and he's copping it from all angles by people who have no damn right to whinge, armchair critics who have no idea what they are on about. Now he also has to deal with former greats big noteing themselves on twitter.

Simple fact of the matter is he is in charge of a fairly weak attack at the moment. Give them a chance...they'll come good.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Fri 15 Oct, 2010 7:02 am

Too true Stryker. Laying the slipper in from the sideline while the team is going through a rebuilding phase isn't constructive. Like I said instead of criticising, get Warnie off his fat arse and get in the nets with Smith.

Ricky can only be thankful he hasn't copped the Kim Hughes treatment yet.
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Post by citizen cub » Tue 19 Oct, 2010 5:37 pm

Like Jazza said we've been in the transition phase for way too long now and it's time we move on and stop recycling blokes in their 30's. It all starts with not letting Mike Hussey go any further, his footwork is terrible especially early in the innings and his consistency which he once had will never come back, I thought 2 years ago when he first hit this form slump, that he may restore it, but watching the way he batted against India, I'm totally convinced we've seen the best of him. Another bloke debuted at a stage of his career where you've only got limited time before you hang up the boots, same thing with North and Harris.

As for Ponting and Warnie, Warnie said what everybody wants to say but doesn't have the balls to say, and I totally agree with him, and it's not the first time Ponting has made a critical error, only have to go as far as the first test, NO fine leg and NO third man when there were about 20 runs that went down that region, could've been the difference between us winning or losing. Plus, I don't know why people are making such a big deal over the incident, Warnie didn't personally attack Ponting, just expressed his opinion like every body else on this forum is doing.
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Post by Geo. » Tue 19 Oct, 2010 5:41 pm

So should Ricky have the field up for Hauritz or at 3rd man, fine leg and point to stop the boundries and the 20 to 30 runs that went off 3 overs defending 200?
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Post by stryker » Tue 19 Oct, 2010 5:55 pm

citizen cub wrote: Plus, I don't know why people are making such a big deal over the incident, Warnie didn't personally attack Ponting, just expressed his opinion like every body else on this forum is doing.
Mate Ricky and Shane are very close, they've lived together travelling the world for years. They are both legends of the game and have single handedly won test matches for their country many times. They have each others respect.

Warnie is more than entitled to express his opinion but he should do it like a man. Doing it through twitter was gutless and completely unconstructive.

Losing whilst representing your country would be a gutwrenching feeling. Coming off the field to find that your mates are sticking the boot in through the media would be even worse. Especially seeings as Ponting had a good game personally.

If Warnie or anyone else has a problem with Ricky's field placings they should offer advice in a constructive manner and in private.

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Post by Geo. » Wed 20 Oct, 2010 8:04 pm

Hey ..we are the No 1 One day team in the world by a long way...I did not know that...

Cmon Aussie...

Oh and the Kiwis just got rolled by Bangladesh.... :oops:
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Post by alien » Wed 20 Oct, 2010 11:12 pm

Geo. wrote:Hey ..we are the No 1 One day team in the world by a long way...I did not know that...

Cmon Aussie...
well we have won the last 3 world cups haven't we???

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Post by Marshall_magic » Wed 20 Oct, 2010 11:42 pm

Cameron White just lit up the Indians with a great knock. That along with a Clarke century and a solid knock by Hussey have set us up nicely for the second ODI.

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