We cant keep carrying ET

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We cant keep carrying ET

Unread post by king sirro » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:06 pm

The blind love for this guy will mean my post wont be read objectively by many, so i will get hammered for this, but it has to be said.

We simply cant carry a middle player who contributes nothing to our go forward. I dont care if he makes 100 tackles a game, if we cant go forward we cant do anything. Every good side has 3 go forward men in the middle. We have for years been crying out for a pack that goes hard, yet this forum seems content on carrying a small middle player who offers zero in attack. Now for those that know me, im going to be a hypocrite here. I always argue against stats, hate them. I believe the context of the game needs to be looked at, not numbers. However, sometimes when a stat is so damming week in week out it needs to be looked at. So what i have done is look at the numbers and looked at how his attack contributes in the context of games. I dont think its come up favourable for Elijah. Have a look at the other locks in the game for average metres gained. Elijah does not even get half the metres of other locks, yet probably plays an extra 25 minutes. We are commiting suicide having him in the middle for 80 minutes.

Average Metres for 13's

Elijah Taylor 47m
Jack De Belin 116m
Josh Maguire 142m
Jake Trbojevic 116m
Nathan Brown 94m
Trent Merrin 155m
Daivid Klemmer 165m
Sio Tueakaeho 116m
Sam Burgess 153m
Dale Finucane 121m
Paul Gallen 175m
Jason Toumalolo 165m

Thats scary. Our front rowers have no help.


To have Elijah Taylor at lock for 80 minutes we would need Glenn Lazarus and Paul Harrigan as our front rowers, with Gordon Tallis and Brad Clyde on the edge. Then he could be effective.

Elijah needs to play right edge backrower the next few weeks to see how he goes. If he is innefective then the club should not take up his option for 2018.
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Unread post by sheer64 » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:12 pm

Your hatred for this guy must run deep. I wish we had Taumalolo, but that aint going to happen. This was a heavy track against a forward pack that can tackle.
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Unread post by Earl » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:13 pm

Mate I completely disagree. He isn't a player like all of those players you've mentioned.

I think we need a team of guys that don't make dumb mistakes, make their tackles and do their jobs and then we need some skill on top of that. ET to me is basically our best player. His good play to poor play ratio is really high.

I hear what you are stating about metres up the middle but that isn't why we are losing games. We lose beacuse we drop the ball, position ourselves poorly defensively, miss tackles and when we get chances we don't convert.

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Unread post by Seantice » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:14 pm

he should be a edge backrower. Dont blame the go forward on him. We had 4 front rowers that were crap.

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Unread post by Joelcainenumber1fan » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:16 pm

your right we have 3 backrowers and none of them no how to go forward they are all weak
cleary though will probley keep taylor no matter how bad he becomes


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Unread post by Wagga Tiger » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:16 pm

I 100% agree, none of our backrow contribute enough. We need another prop at 13 and allow ET to play 12 but who have we got to do it?

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Unread post by ku5tom » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:17 pm

Right side defence is a much bigger issue than meters from our 13

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Unread post by king sirro » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:17 pm

sheer64 wrote:
Fri 19 May, 2017 10:12 pm
Your hatred for this guy must run deep. I wish we had Taumalolo, but that aint going to happen. This was a heavy track against a forward pack that can tackle.
I respect Elijah enormously. Think he has heart and integrity. I just dont think we can go forward with him in the middle. Would like to see how he goes on an edge behind 3 big middle guys.

Nothing personal against ET. I like him, just not for 80 mins at lock.
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Unread post by Spacecub » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:18 pm

Yes you have made some great points...cleary has some work to do...our recruitment for next year still has me worried i think the biggest problem is with nofoaluma he is slow have seen him run down a couple of times this year, he also has a major problem with his defensive position....i think hes a real liability i dont know where cleary will play him....im starting to question his resigning

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Unread post by tig_prmz » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:19 pm

i get where you're coming from but he's not the problem in the team
My Round 1 Team 2018

1. lolo 2. noffa 3. suli 4. milne 5. fonua
6. reynolds 7. brooks
8. packer 9. ET 10. Twal
11. McQuen 12. Lawrence 13. Eiso
14. Matulino 15. McIllwrick 16. Sue 17. Aloiai
18. Marsters 19. Benji 20. Grant 21. K Naiqama
Next: Liddle, MCK, Felise, MWZ, Thompson, Rochow, Gamble

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Unread post by sheer64 » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:20 pm

king sirro wrote:
Fri 19 May, 2017 10:17 pm
sheer64 wrote:
Fri 19 May, 2017 10:12 pm
Your hatred for this guy must run deep. I wish we had Taumalolo, but that aint going to happen. This was a heavy track against a forward pack that can tackle.
I respect Elijah enormously. Think he has heart and integrity. I just dont think we can go forward with him in the middle. Would like to see how he goes on an edge behind 3 big middle guys.

Nothing personal against ET. I like him, just not for 80 mins at lock.
Reality is he would be a great bench player at most clubs, but for us he is a starter untill we recruit better.
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Unread post by Joelcainenumber1fan » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:21 pm

can he play 5/8 ??? he looksl ie he has some decent ball playing skills

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Unread post by clokan » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:22 pm

can't expect the lock to make yards when the forward pack is getting owned

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Unread post by Joelcainenumber1fan » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:24 pm

its amazing we had a decent 2nd rower last year but we decided to turn him into a prop
whyyyyyyyyyyyy he was so good there last year on the edge why move him after only one season

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Unread post by king sirro » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:25 pm

clokan wrote:
Fri 19 May, 2017 10:22 pm
can't expect the lock to make yards when the forward pack is getting owned
This makes no sense to me at all. He is one of the guys employed to make yards and ensure out pack doesnt get owned. If you said "you cant expect the halves to do anything when the forward pack is getting owned" i would agree with you, but you cant say that about one of our middle player starters cos thats where getting owned starts.
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Unread post by Seantice » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:26 pm

8. matulino
9. mckillrick
10.packer
11. mcqueen
12. ET
13. Aloioa/twal

perfect

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Unread post by Snake » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:27 pm

Elijah is the workerholic of the team at present I am sure things will change when he gets some quality around him next season.He plays his guts out every week while being surrounded by pretenders ...could someone please refund Sue for his seat and n the bus what a big blow hard!

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Unread post by hobbo » Fri 19 May, 2017 10:29 pm

I feel sorry for the bloke , he busts his arse each week .
With Plodders like Sharon Woods and Tanya Grant up front the poor bastards on a hiding to nothing each week .
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