Woods, overrated & slow

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Unread post by Harvey » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 6:11 pm

He has a big engine, makes metres, produces stats and rarely gets driven back.

However he hardly ever breaks a tackle, gets a quick play the ball, hits hard in defence. I saw a couple of very poor attempts at tackle yesterday.

I will be dirty if he moves to another club & suddenly starts making a major impact rather than just stats


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Unread post by Earl » Tue 13 Jun, 2017 12:53 pm

He honestly is a dud of a player. There is an article in the DT hacking Glasby for making the Queensland SOO team. This quote is great.
Glasby has busted eight tackles this year. Aaron Woods (6) and Nathan Peats (2) are the only players taking the field next Wednesday with less.
Glasby averages 77 metres and 46 minutes per game.

I know everyone goes on about Woods metres but they need to be taken into context. He doesn't bust tackles or get a quick play the ball. His metres gained and minutes played stats are great but they don't help our team get on a roll and attack a defensive line that is backpedaling or even better a mess.

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Unread post by GNR4LIFE » Tue 13 Jun, 2017 2:56 pm

Bring on Packerlino.

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Unread post by Curaeus » Tue 13 Jun, 2017 3:03 pm

Just watched ET being interviewed on WT website. Extremely intelligent and highly articulate young man. Sharp as a tack. A real leader. Woods won't be here next year so why not make ET captain now.

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Unread post by NT Tiger » Tue 13 Jun, 2017 3:05 pm

Curaeus wrote:
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 3:03 pm
Just watched ET being interviewed on WT website. Extremely intelligent and highly articulate young man. Sharp as a tack. A real leader. Woods won't be here next year so why not make ET captain now.
Why not indeed? He'd have my vote.
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Unread post by jirskyr » Tue 13 Jun, 2017 5:38 pm

LCA wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 7:49 am
There's no doubt that Woods is the best we have as far as forwards go, but that typifies the problem. It' just that he's not a fast or smart or aggressive as most other props in the game, but he's still our best. He's shockingly overrated and has been for years. There is no upside to Woods in 2017. Yet, he remains our captain? Mystifies me.
Over-rated by whom exactly?

There's a pretty strong anti-Woods sentiment in here, increased by the recent contract saga. I hear modest, at best, support from non-Tigers supporters. But he gets consistently picked for Origin and does the job every time - plenty of props have come and gone in the Origin arena.

As you note, at club level he's easily our best prop. How is that his fault? It's the clubs job to surround him with equal or better players, but it's not been achieved for many years.

He's only 26, many props don't achieve Woods' level at that age, maybe he has peaked, maybe he's still got good years in him. Packer is 27, Matulino is 28.

I just don't get what people want from the bloke. OK so he babbled in the media during contracts, clearly he's not got a nose for media and footy politics, he came out looking pretty dumb. But that's off-field, Rusty Packer decked a bloke and landed in jail and people are cool with him, Woods said some dumb stuff and he's Tigers enemy #2 (Moses is clearly #1).

Woods doesn't break the line - has he ever? He's made 6 line breaks in the last 4 seasons. Not really a thing for props, they aren't fast enough. Woods is pointed out as not breaking tackles, but Nofo and Tedesco break a million tackles without ever outstripping Woods for metres.

My point is props generally have a defined skill-set - they can make big metres and play big minutes, or make big tackles, or make big hits, or break the line. If you want a bloke like Marty Taupau who runs amok, then retain Marty Taupau. Or if you want a defensive enforcer, sign Dylan Napa. If you want a high-voltage attacker, sign JWH. If you want a low-key but terrific all-around prop, sign Jesse Bromwich. But don't overly criticise Woods for not being those footballers. He's better than them in some respects, worse in others.

What Woods has not received from the club is adequate support. He deserves some slack for that, also for the output for this club over many seasons.

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Unread post by formerguest » Tue 13 Jun, 2017 6:14 pm

NT Tiger wrote:
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 3:05 pm
Curaeus wrote:
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 3:03 pm
Just watched ET being interviewed on WT website. Extremely intelligent and highly articulate young man. Sharp as a tack. A real leader. Woods won't be here next year so why not make ET captain now.
Why not indeed? He'd have my vote.
Because he is not confirmed beyond this year for a start.

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Unread post by GNR4LIFE » Tue 13 Jun, 2017 6:16 pm

Reynolds should be the favoured captain at this point in time.

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Unread post by InBenjiWeTrust » Tue 13 Jun, 2017 7:03 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 5:38 pm
LCA wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 7:49 am
There's no doubt that Woods is the best we have as far as forwards go, but that typifies the problem. It' just that he's not a fast or smart or aggressive as most other props in the game, but he's still our best. He's shockingly overrated and has been for years. There is no upside to Woods in 2017. Yet, he remains our captain? Mystifies me.
Over-rated by whom exactly?

There's a pretty strong anti-Woods sentiment in here, increased by the recent contract saga. I hear modest, at best, support from non-Tigers supporters. But he gets consistently picked for Origin and does the job every time - plenty of props have come and gone in the Origin arena.

As you note, at club level he's easily our best prop. How is that his fault? It's the clubs job to surround him with equal or better players, but it's not been achieved for many years.

He's only 26, many props don't achieve Woods' level at that age, maybe he has peaked, maybe he's still got good years in him. Packer is 27, Matulino is 28.

I just don't get what people want from the bloke. OK so he babbled in the media during contracts, clearly he's not got a nose for media and footy politics, he came out looking pretty dumb. But that's off-field, Rusty Packer decked a bloke and landed in jail and people are cool with him, Woods said some dumb stuff and he's Tigers enemy #2 (Moses is clearly #1).

Woods doesn't break the line - has he ever? He's made 6 line breaks in the last 4 seasons. Not really a thing for props, they aren't fast enough. Woods is pointed out as not breaking tackles, but Nofo and Tedesco break a million tackles without ever outstripping Woods for metres.

My point is props generally have a defined skill-set - they can make big metres and play big minutes, or make big tackles, or make big hits, or break the line. If you want a bloke like Marty Taupau who runs amok, then retain Marty Taupau. Or if you want a defensive enforcer, sign Dylan Napa. If you want a high-voltage attacker, sign JWH. If you want a low-key but terrific all-around prop, sign Jesse Bromwich. But don't overly criticise Woods for not being those footballers. He's better than them in some respects, worse in others.

What Woods has not received from the club is adequate support. He deserves some slack for that, also for the output for this club over many seasons.
x2

Hear, hear

For reference compare his stats with this forum overrated darling - Lawrence:
Woods runs 4 times more meters per game than Speedsters-tippy toes-Lawrence, and misses 3 times less tackles.
As for recognition, the first pick prop for NSW and Australia, NRL highest paid prop, compare this with Lawrence: no NRL club would touch him even if he pays to play :crazy

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Unread post by Black'n'White » Tue 13 Jun, 2017 7:12 pm

InBenjiWeTrust wrote:
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 7:03 pm

x2

Hear, hear

For reference compare his stats with this forum overrated darling - Lawrence:
Woods runs 4 times more meters per game than Speedsters-tippy toes-Lawrence, and misses 3 times less tackles.
As for recognition, the first pick prop for NSW and Australia, NRL highest paid prop, compare this with Lawrence: no NRL club would touch him even if he pays to play :crazy
You trying to tell me Woods is picked for Aus ahead of Scott? that will do me....

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Unread post by Russell » Tue 13 Jun, 2017 8:00 pm

InBenjiWeTrust wrote:
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 7:03 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 5:38 pm
LCA wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 7:49 am
There's no doubt that Woods is the best we have as far as forwards go, but that typifies the problem. It' just that he's not a fast or smart or aggressive as most other props in the game, but he's still our best. He's shockingly overrated and has been for years. There is no upside to Woods in 2017. Yet, he remains our captain? Mystifies me.
Over-rated by whom exactly?

There's a pretty strong anti-Woods sentiment in here, increased by the recent contract saga. I hear modest, at best, support from non-Tigers supporters. But he gets consistently picked for Origin and does the job every time - plenty of props have come and gone in the Origin arena.

As you note, at club level he's easily our best prop. How is that his fault? It's the clubs job to surround him with equal or better players, but it's not been achieved for many years.

He's only 26, many props don't achieve Woods' level at that age, maybe he has peaked, maybe he's still got good years in him. Packer is 27, Matulino is 28.

I just don't get what people want from the bloke. OK so he babbled in the media during contracts, clearly he's not got a nose for media and footy politics, he came out looking pretty dumb. But that's off-field, Rusty Packer decked a bloke and landed in jail and people are cool with him, Woods said some dumb stuff and he's Tigers enemy #2 (Moses is clearly #1).

Woods doesn't break the line - has he ever? He's made 6 line breaks in the last 4 seasons. Not really a thing for props, they aren't fast enough. Woods is pointed out as not breaking tackles, but Nofo and Tedesco break a million tackles without ever outstripping Woods for metres.

My point is props generally have a defined skill-set - they can make big metres and play big minutes, or make big tackles, or make big hits, or break the line. If you want a bloke like Marty Taupau who runs amok, then retain Marty Taupau. Or if you want a defensive enforcer, sign Dylan Napa. If you want a high-voltage attacker, sign JWH. If you want a low-key but terrific all-around prop, sign Jesse Bromwich. But don't overly criticise Woods for not being those footballers. He's better than them in some respects, worse in others.

What Woods has not received from the club is adequate support. He deserves some slack for that, also for the output for this club over many seasons.
x2

Hear, hear

For reference compare his stats with this forum overrated darling - Lawrence:
Woods runs 4 times more meters per game than Speedsters-tippy toes-Lawrence, and misses 3 times less tackles.
As for recognition, the first pick prop for NSW and Australia, NRL highest paid prop, compare this with Lawrence: no NRL club would touch him even if he pays to play :crazy
How do you compare a prop with a back rower - you can't.

But a good exercise in being able to put the boot in to a player who is loyal and gives 100% every game.

Hope you have satisfied your hate craving!!!!!

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Unread post by shakey4d » Tue 13 Jun, 2017 8:06 pm

Curaeus wrote:
Tue 13 Jun, 2017 3:03 pm
Just watched ET being interviewed on WT website. Extremely intelligent and highly articulate young man. Sharp as a tack. A real leader. Woods won't be here next year so why not make ET captain now.
He is captain this week...while woods and Lawrence are out.

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