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Re: Liddle

Post by Black'n'White » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 2:31 pm

Tiger Watto wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 9:28 am

Its a big challenge finding the right balance with our pack. I'm starting to wonder if we cant continue having Taylor at #13 as we are lacking impact in attack, but at the same time he is a best defender in the middle and both our 9's cant deliver ET defense.
I understand and respect your opinion here, but i dont think we can play keeping up with the joneses in playing the big motor prop in 13. For starters we would have to buy one, and I think we are a real prop short anyway next year, and secondly the teams already running that format will have the wood on us as the real options for the position are already tied up with them.

I would prefer we tried running a bigger second row and stop playing so tight around the ruck. Dropping Sue and Aloai back to the second row for example with the addition of Grub we could have a left side from the middle of

ET
Packer/Matulino
Sue/Aloai
Grub
Suli
Fonua

Thats a line-up that could run as hard as just about any team in the comp with size to match. Also allows up to find a normal prop rather than a big motor specialist which is more budget friendly.

I prefer we have an angle, rather than play catch up on the status quo. Ball playing Lock can be that angle.


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Post by 851 » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 3:38 pm

Demps wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 1:37 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 1:13 pm
Demps wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 1:05 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 11:03 am

I agree about taking up a bench spot, and I haven't seen any special qualities from him as yet, as I said before about the halves, he needs more time in the reserves to get bigger and better, he might well be what we need in the future, but at the moment the spot could be better used.
Cherrington was talked up here probably more than Liddle has been. We should've learnt from that.
While both may eventually be first graders. They were both Brought into first grade too early
Especially in a team like ours.
Maybe it's a different thing if MCkildrick was struggling, but he can handle 80 mins ok.
We've got enough below first grade players in the main team already, ( Rankin, LTJ, MCK, )
I'd rather leave him in the lower grade, for this year, then start giving him some runs next season . Mcildrick can better handle the constant bashing that we are liable to cop for the rest of the year.
What's a LTJ? Lol
I think it's a biscuit :lol: I meant little John
I've seen heaps if people stuffing up the initials lately lol you're not the only one....

My friend played in junior rep teams with Jack littlejohn and said he was an absolute gun coming through.... Shame he seems to be a dud these days.
JLJ would struggle to star in the juniors now, as for Liddle he didn't have a good game but he at least looks like he could be a 1st grader, unlike a heap of others.
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Post by Masterton » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 5:31 pm

Black'n'White wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 2:31 pm

I understand and respect your opinion here, but i dont think we can play keeping up with the joneses in playing the big motor prop in 13. For starters we would have to buy one, and I think we are a real prop short anyway next year, and secondly the teams already running that format will have the wood on us as the real options for the position are already tied up with them.

I would prefer we tried running a bigger second row and stop playing so tight around the ruck. Dropping Sue and Aloai back to the second row for example with the addition of Grub we could have a left side from the middle of

ET
Packer/Matulino
Sue/Aloai
Grub
Suli
Fonua

Thats a line-up that could run as hard as just about any team in the comp with size to match. Also allows up to find a normal prop rather than a big motor specialist which is more budget friendly.

I prefer we have an angle, rather than play catch up on the status quo. Ball playing Lock can be that angle.
If there's one thing this season has taught me, Sue can not last the longer minutes in the 2nd row.
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Post by Harvey » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 6:16 pm

Is ironic that people are saying Liddle is not a first grader and should start looking for a new hooker, but at the same time ask that Sue's average performances be overlooked because he will be better with the pack we have next year.

I can see Liddle, Aloiai and Lawrence looking like very different players next year. Others not so much so.

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Post by Earl » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 6:37 pm

Harvey wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 6:16 pm
Is ironic that people are saying Liddle is not a first grader and should start looking for a new hooker, but at the same time ask that Sue's average performances be overlooked because he will be better with the pack we have next year.

I can see Liddle, Aloiai and Lawrence looking like very different players next year. Others not so much so.
I agree. Aloiai to me looks like with a defined role he is going to be a high quality player. Lawrence always belts it up at pace and runs good lines. Liddle has a lot of work to do but he is quick.

Sue to me is a massive massive concern. He played well in his last outing but he has been ordinary in the backrow and has missed tackles up the middle. I suppose Sue may come good with limited minutes up the middle.


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Post by Balmain Boy » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 6:40 pm

Liddle was one of our best last week. This week, apparently not so much but may people on here (whether they admit it or not) change their minds with the wind.

If he scores or sets up a try he's the best junior we've had in years and a lock for origin in the future.

If he misses a tackle or makes a mistake then he's back to being utterly hopeless and never going to amount to anything.

It's hilarious and sad at the same time.

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Post by Russell » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 6:48 pm

Someone please tell me what Liddle is going to learn in reserve grade with a bunch of nuffies and a dud coach????????????????????????

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Post by innsaneink » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 7:04 pm

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There's more to defence than not missing a tackle, if guys are carrying you on their back for 5m or players are getting offloads away then you're not defending well It doesn't matter if you don't miss a tackle.
I'm not saying that this is happening with Liddle all the time just pointing out to not get caught up in stats.

I'm hearing "he'll be better next year" but I'm not hearing any reasons why and so far I'm not seeing any reasons to be so sure that he will be better next year.

To those of you saying that he'll be better, are you just hoping he will?
How confident are you and why, convince me because all i've heard so far is he'll get better when he gains some beef but beef is just beef it doesn't make you a better player.
Impossible to convince you, its clear youve got it in for Liddle for whatever reason, did he snub you at an autograph session or somethin?
This really sounds personal

He should improve by next year having another seasons experience under his belt, he is after all only 20 and still a kid, another off season where he can add to his still growing body...he'll have a better pack around working off clearys own staff hopefully with an improved defence which will make things easier for the entire team

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Post by Swordy » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 7:11 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 7:04 pm
TIGER wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 1:08 pm
There's more to defence than not missing a tackle, if guys are carrying you on their back for 5m or players are getting offloads away then you're not defending well It doesn't matter if you don't miss a tackle.
I'm not saying that this is happening with Liddle all the time just pointing out to not get caught up in stats.

I'm hearing "he'll be better next year" but I'm not hearing any reasons why and so far I'm not seeing any reasons to be so sure that he will be better next year.

To those of you saying that he'll be better, are you just hoping he will?
How confident are you and why, convince me because all i've heard so far is he'll get better when he gains some beef but beef is just beef it doesn't make you a better player.
Impossible to convince you, its clear youve got it in for Liddle for whatever reason, did he snub you at an autograph session or somethin?
This really sounds personal

He should improve by next year having another seasons experience under his belt, he is after all only 20 and still a kid, another off season where he can add to his still growing body...he'll have a better pack around working off clearys own staff hopefully with an improved defence which will make things easier for the entire team

your go
I agree with Ink. TiGER, appreciate youve started a thread and had a say, but mate, you asked for others to comment. You cant just shoot everyone down because they share a different view.
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Post by goldcoast tiger » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 7:42 pm

WestsBenTigers wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 2:23 pm
Little is going to be NSW future 9.

Next year he will have a forward pack that will go FORWARD.
He will also have players around him that can tackle so that will help him out.

I think every hooker in the NRL would struggle in our team. Liddle is also coming on when the team is getting bashed up so it is hard for a 90kg player to make a difference.
The exact thing was being said ( very stronglby some) that our two halves would doing the same thing. 2018 was named as the annointment date by quite a few.

Theres so many now in front of both of them . that they'd be lucky to make the Nsw side in the next 5 yrs. even then they'd be extremely lucky to make it. Just on form.
The same things were being said about Cherringtonthen with him being touted to be our next big thing and it didn't take long for him to show that he was a long way off first grade.

Saying that about someone in Liddles situation , just pushes the pressure of the hype to a level that it will just make it harder for him to reach.
He may make it to a permanent spot in first grade later , but why put that sort of pressure to a young kid who is still learning how to play.
let him learn how to compete regularly against men, before expecting miracles.


I hope he's as good as is being said, and he doesn't get brought up permanently, prematurely .
There's plenty of time for him when he gets the body to handle a full season of first grade.

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Post by Newtown » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 8:03 pm

Give the kid a chance. The forwards he is playing with are often having great trouble even breaking the line. Even the captain seems to play the same every time he gets passed the ball. He takes a few steps forward, is tackled whilst standing up, and then plays the ball. This team just doesn't have any go forward. We so desperately need a new set of forwards in 2018 otherwise it will be same, same for 2018.

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Post by Tweed Tiger » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 8:08 pm

9 never looks good in a pack getting dominated every week. He will look good behind a back bending the line, breaking tackles, providing offloads and quick play the balls where his fast running game will shine.

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Post by Nucky Thompson » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 8:37 pm

Cleary is mixing the game times of the two. Think he needs to pick one for the 80. Liddle did nothing the 30 or so he played.

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Post by Russell » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 9:10 pm

Nucky Thompson wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 8:37 pm
Cleary is mixing the game times of the two. Think he needs to pick one for the 80. Liddle did nothing the 30 or so he played.
And what did McIlwrick do for the 50 he played?

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Post by TIGER » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 9:18 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 7:04 pm
TIGER wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 1:08 pm
There's more to defence than not missing a tackle, if guys are carrying you on their back for 5m or players are getting offloads away then you're not defending well It doesn't matter if you don't miss a tackle.
I'm not saying that this is happening with Liddle all the time just pointing out to not get caught up in stats.

I'm hearing "he'll be better next year" but I'm not hearing any reasons why and so far I'm not seeing any reasons to be so sure that he will be better next year.

To those of you saying that he'll be better, are you just hoping he will?
How confident are you and why, convince me because all i've heard so far is he'll get better when he gains some beef but beef is just beef it doesn't make you a better player.
Impossible to convince you, its clear youve got it in for Liddle for whatever reason, did he snub you at an autograph session or somethin?
This really sounds personal

He should improve by next year having another seasons experience under his belt, he is after all only 20 and still a kid, another off season where he can add to his still growing body...he'll have a better pack around working off clearys own staff hopefully with an improved defence which will make things easier for the entire team

your go
Hahaaa yeah he snubbed me at an autograph session, for one I live in Qld and we don't get many autograph sessions from the Tigers on the Sunshine Coast and two, I'm not really into rugby league players autographs I'm not 10.
I don't have it in for him, I'm just struggling to see what others see and I was looking for someone to maybe point something out that I'm missing that's all.

I said the same thing about Brooks from pretty early on, I actually missed his debut so I wasn't looking at him with the same rose coloured glasses as everybody else who saw it(I still haven't seen it) but I decided I wasn't going to make a call on him until after I'd seen him play a dozen games, I'm still saying the same thing about Brooks now by the way.
Like I said I think we're seeing the same thing with Liddle as we saw with Cherrington, the wraps that I'm hearing aren't matching what I'm seeing.
It's just my opinion and judgement you don't have to agree with it.

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Post by Nucky Thompson » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 9:22 pm

Russell wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 9:10 pm
Nucky Thompson wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 8:37 pm
Cleary is mixing the game times of the two. Think he needs to pick one for the 80. Liddle did nothing the 30 or so he played.
And what did McIlwrick do for the 50 he played?
Play better not drop the ball.

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Post by TIGER » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 9:29 pm

Swordy wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 7:11 pm
innsaneink wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 7:04 pm
TIGER wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 1:08 pm
There's more to defence than not missing a tackle, if guys are carrying you on their back for 5m or players are getting offloads away then you're not defending well It doesn't matter if you don't miss a tackle.
I'm not saying that this is happening with Liddle all the time just pointing out to not get caught up in stats.

I'm hearing "he'll be better next year" but I'm not hearing any reasons why and so far I'm not seeing any reasons to be so sure that he will be better next year.

To those of you saying that he'll be better, are you just hoping he will?
How confident are you and why, convince me because all i've heard so far is he'll get better when he gains some beef but beef is just beef it doesn't make you a better player.
Impossible to convince you, its clear youve got it in for Liddle for whatever reason, did he snub you at an autograph session or somethin?
This really sounds personal

He should improve by next year having another seasons experience under his belt, he is after all only 20 and still a kid, another off season where he can add to his still growing body...he'll have a better pack around working off clearys own staff hopefully with an improved defence which will make things easier for the entire team

your go
I agree with Ink. TiGER, appreciate youve started a thread and had a say, but mate, you asked for others to comment. You cant just shoot everyone down because they share a different view.
Please point out where I shot someone down.
I just pointed out that no one was actually giving any reasons other than 'he'll be better next year'.

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Post by Geo. » Mon 12 Jun, 2017 9:44 pm

TIGER wrote:
Mon 12 Jun, 2017 9:29 pm

Please point out where I shot someone down.
I just pointed out that no one was actually giving any reasons other than 'he'll be better next year'.
He just need to continue to work on his running passing and tackling like every player and he will be better next year...as he gains more FG experience...you know develop...

Fine you don't rate him no issues here... but Cleary obviously does or he wouldn't have extended his contract while he was already under contract....

If you can't see the strengths in his game fine too..but I would suggest re watching the Broncos game...
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