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Re: L Brooks

Unread post by colmcd » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 3:21 pm

Russell wrote:
Tue 12 Sep, 2017 3:22 pm
colmcd wrote:
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maxxy86 wrote:
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Well when you think of it positions could be given to the players that are 100% fit. Tui fits the bill ATM so....
1 Tui
6 ?
7 ?
9 ?
Ideally it should be Reynolds Brooks Liddle. Benji will be pressuring Luke, as I think he did a good job for the broncs the other night. Albeit he made some errors in the end but his 5/8 played horrendous. Thought Benji kicked quite well and found the grass, something Luke has trouble with.
Quite a lot of teams have their spine set up, then an impact player. I think this can work extremely well for us too. Sharks with Barba, Maloney and Townsend. The rabbits with Sutton, Reynolds and Keary.
The question is your impact at 1/6/7 (9 seems locked down).

Teams set up against what they expect from us. You then swap a fast runner into Fullback, 5/8, Half or I think the centers you suddenly change the game.

Sadly I see Tui as our best fullback option and Brooks not playing enough at 1 to take over. So our impact player can only come in at 5/8, halfback (which isn't ideal as we need a half that sets up the team) or in the centers. So my thoughts are this:
train for Brooks to come in off the bench with Benji as half. Brooks comes on at 5/8 and Reynolds shifts to the centers. Wow so where is the surprise? Suli shifts from center to wing! Reynolds and Suli maintain same running lines.
The opposition teams and coaches will love your idea. Lol
Why?

Barba worked best as an impact player coming in for the Bulldogs. Souths had a similar arrangement with Keary. I think moving Reynolds to center is a great idea at some stage of the match as:
Reynolds has good defense and gives good ball to his fellow players. A ball Playing Center like SKD or Jamie Lyon have been revelations for their clubs. Alternatively I could see Benji coming in from the bench to the centers, but I would rather the flexibility in the halves.

Reynolds is an 80 minute player. Meh we will see what Ivan does.


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Unread post by Russell » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 4:28 pm

Why do people persist in thinking that you can play anyone in the centre and it will work?

Reynolds is NOT a centre - to suddenly equate Reynolds with SKD and Lyon (probably the best centre in the past 10 years) is ludicrous. Benji got away with it once, h is defence is not good enough to make it a permanent position. Centre is a specialised and very important position - something that is more evident when someone is not a centre plays there.

I would also like to know who came up with "Brooks is a bludger during the off season" - where is the proof of this? Has one of our previous coaches said this?, one of our other players?

Old man tiger wrote that he is, when questioned he came up with "No inside info mate. Remember some discussion here about it over the last couple of preseasons. I hope I'm wrong too and he kills it". Surely this young kid can't be hung out to dry because some discussion was had on a Forum that he is a "Bludger".

851 says he has had a charmed life since 2013.

One game in 2013 doesn't count does it? (if it does he was man of the match). So according to most people on here, he has played under two "no hoper" coaches and a caretaker coach and 3/4 of a season under Cleary. Played with a dominant, greedy, tanking, wanker of a partner at 5/8 (half a season with Tui who will not be 5/8 in 2018) and once again according to most in a second grade side for 2 and 1/2 seasons.

Well, what a charmed life this kid has had - sack him immediately!!!!

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Unread post by formerguest » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 6:02 pm

Russell wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 4:28 pm
Why do people persist in thinking that you can play anyone in the centre and it will work?

Reynolds is NOT a centre - to suddenly equate Reynolds with SKD and Lyon (probably the best centre in the past 10 years) is ludicrous. Benji got away with it once, h is defence is not good enough to make it a permanent position. Centre is a specialised and very important position - something that is more evident when someone is not a centre plays there.

I would also like to know who came up with "Brooks is a bludger during the off season" - where is the proof of this? Has one of our previous coaches said this?, one of our other players?

Old man tiger wrote that he is, when questioned he came up with "No inside info mate. Remember some discussion here about it over the last couple of preseasons. I hope I'm wrong too and he kills it". Surely this young kid can't be hung out to dry because some discussion was had on a Forum that he is a "Bludger".

851 says he has had a charmed life since 2013.

One game in 2013 doesn't count does it? (if it does he was man of the match). So according to most people on here, he has played under two "no hoper" coaches and a caretaker coach and 3/4 of a season under Cleary. Played with a dominant, greedy, tanking, wanker of a partner at 5/8 (half a season with Tui who will not be 5/8 in 2018) and once again according to most in a second grade side for 2 and 1/2 seasons.

Well, what a charmed life this kid has had - sack him immediately!!!!
I like it Russ and a lot at that, though to be fair to OMT, pretty sure the training issue was confirmed by a reputable member at the time, so I also believe it.

Also sick of the death riding on Luke. He has played eighty odd games because he is a first grader, not the best one, but not the worst either. Alexander knows his halves and rates him as around the tenth best and still improving.

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Unread post by old man tiger » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 6:34 pm

Russell wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 4:28 pm
Why do people persist in thinking that you can play anyone in the centre and it will work?

Reynolds is NOT a centre - to suddenly equate Reynolds with SKD and Lyon (probably the best centre in the past 10 years) is ludicrous. Benji got away with it once, h is defence is not good enough to make it a permanent position. Centre is a specialised and very important position - something that is more evident when someone is not a centre plays there.

I would also like to know who came up with "Brooks is a bludger during the off season" - where is the proof of this? Has one of our previous coaches said this?, one of our other players?

Old man tiger wrote that he is, when questioned he came up with "No inside info mate. Remember some discussion here about it over the last couple of preseasons. I hope I'm wrong too and he kills it". Surely this young kid can't be hung out to dry because some discussion was had on a Forum that he is a "Bludger".

851 says he has had a charmed life since 2013.

One game in 2013 doesn't count does it? (if it does he was man of the match). So according to most people on here, he has played under two "no hoper" coaches and a caretaker coach and 3/4 of a season under Cleary. Played with a dominant, greedy, tanking, wanker of a partner at 5/8 (half a season with Tui who will not be 5/8 in 2018) and once again according to most in a second grade side for 2 and 1/2 seasons.

Well, what a charmed life this kid has had - sack him immediately!!!!
No disrespect to Brooks. Have said we should persist multiple times mate, just not indefinitely.

It was more talk than someone calling him a bludger, but as I've acknowledged It's not based on something I know first hand.

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Unread post by Russell » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:41 pm

old man tiger wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 6:34 pm
Russell wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 4:28 pm
Why do people persist in thinking that you can play anyone in the centre and it will work?

Reynolds is NOT a centre - to suddenly equate Reynolds with SKD and Lyon (probably the best centre in the past 10 years) is ludicrous. Benji got away with it once, h is defence is not good enough to make it a permanent position. Centre is a specialised and very important position - something that is more evident when someone is not a centre plays there.

I would also like to know who came up with "Brooks is a bludger during the off season" - where is the proof of this? Has one of our previous coaches said this?, one of our other players?

Old man tiger wrote that he is, when questioned he came up with "No inside info mate. Remember some discussion here about it over the last couple of preseasons. I hope I'm wrong too and he kills it". Surely this young kid can't be hung out to dry because some discussion was had on a Forum that he is a "Bludger".

851 says he has had a charmed life since 2013.

One game in 2013 doesn't count does it? (if it does he was man of the match). So according to most people on here, he has played under two "no hoper" coaches and a caretaker coach and 3/4 of a season under Cleary. Played with a dominant, greedy, tanking, wanker of a partner at 5/8 (half a season with Tui who will not be 5/8 in 2018) and once again according to most in a second grade side for 2 and 1/2 seasons.

Well, what a charmed life this kid has had - sack him immediately!!!!
No disrespect to Brooks. Have said we should persist multiple times mate, just not indefinitely.

It was more talk than someone calling him a bludger, but as I've acknowledged It's not based on something I know first hand.
All good OMT - more the idea it does not seem fact than having a go at you.

I think he will come good over this pre season and with a decent pack going forward, decent 5/8 with him and top FB chiming in - I think he'll have more options which will see him improve greatly.

Mostly think he and Liddle should work on their short kicking games over the break.


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Unread post by Tacky » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:56 pm

Brooks will start the year at 7, Reynolds at 6, Tui at 1 and Liddle at 9. Form and injuries will determine any changes throughout the year.
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Unread post by Russell » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:58 pm

Tacky wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:56 pm
Brooks will start the year at 7, Reynolds at 6, Tui at 1 and Liddle at 9. Form and injuries will determine any changes throughout the year.
I see it the same way Tacky.

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Unread post by TrueTiger » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 8:12 pm

Russell wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:58 pm
Tacky wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:56 pm
Brooks will start the year at 7, Reynolds at 6, Tui at 1 and Liddle at 9. Form and injuries will determine any changes throughout the year.
I see it the same way Tacky.
Yes Tacky, you and Russell both have the right opinion regarding Brooks,however I will say,and I don't care how hard you both hammer me,Brooks has been given a great path into NRL because of his spectacular form in NYC and backing from the club...if he was a true talented halfback he would have taken control of this team long ago and even told slimey Moses to move aside and do as he is told,thats what contolling the team is about..to be honest he is a shy kid still coming out of his shell ..if that's what we want then leave him develop for another 3 or 4 years..Thurston got a kick in the arse when the Dogs didn't want him...how far has he gone ??? maybe Brooks needs the same...Iwill leabve you guys to ponder... :shock:
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Unread post by Tacky » Wed 13 Sep, 2017 10:26 pm

TrueTiger wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 8:12 pm
Russell wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:58 pm
Tacky wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:56 pm
Brooks will start the year at 7, Reynolds at 6, Tui at 1 and Liddle at 9. Form and injuries will determine any changes throughout the year.
I see it the same way Tacky.
Yes Tacky, you and Russell both have the right opinion regarding Brooks,however I will say,and I don't care how hard you both hammer me,Brooks has been given a great path into NRL because of his spectacular form in NYC and backing from the club...if he was a true talented halfback he would have taken control of this team long ago and even told slimey Moses to move aside and do as he is told,thats what contolling the team is about..to be honest he is a shy kid still coming out of his shell ..if that's what we want then leave him develop for another 3 or 4 years..Thurston got a kick in the arse when the Dogs didn't want him...how far has he gone ??? maybe Brooks needs the same...Iwill leabve you guys to ponder... :shock:
I agree 100%

Brooks has been very lucky. He's a very talented yet inconsistent player. His running game, speed and footwork are let down by the technical side of his game, specifically his game management and short kicking. He has coasted through the NRL so far because of his potential and he's managed to stay in first grade through numerous and fortunate excuses. Wether it was Moses being too dominant, Taylor not being a suitable coach, too many coaching changes, needing a better halves partner or not spending enough time with Cleary.

Brooks has finally run out of excuses and that is why I'm incredibly curious to see how he emerges from this preseason. All things being considered, he is a certainty to start the year at halfback but, that certainly doesn't mean his spot is safe. I really want Brooks to be the best player he can be and the player we need but, I'm not going defend him when he doesn't deserve it.
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Unread post by NT Tiger » Thu 14 Sep, 2017 5:39 am

I fence sat for a long time with Brooks. I gave him the benefit of the doubt for the reasons expressed by Tacky and because of our lack of dominance in the forwards. But watching the last half of this season I just couldn't see him controlling the game. I now doubt that anything can be done to change that unless Coach Cleary has some big remedial plans for the off season. I'm also concerned that, next season, Reynolds will dominate in the halves and Brooks will go back into his shell. I hope I'm wrong because I'd really like to see his game take off.
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Unread post by Tigerdon » Thu 14 Sep, 2017 6:54 am

Benji will be 32/33 and will be good for Brooks as a mentor
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Unread post by larrycorowa » Fri 15 Sep, 2017 2:47 pm

He's better than Daniel Mortimer. I think Luke has suffered greatly from the instability at the club. Rushed in without the right support. Seems he might be a lazy trainer which would partly explain his inconsistency, he won't improve considerably until his preparation improves.

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Unread post by yeti » Fri 15 Sep, 2017 3:15 pm

Tacky wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 10:26 pm
TrueTiger wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 8:12 pm
Russell wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:58 pm
Tacky wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:56 pm
Brooks will start the year at 7, Reynolds at 6, Tui at 1 and Liddle at 9. Form and injuries will determine any changes throughout the year.
I see it the same way Tacky.
Yes Tacky, you and Russell both have the right opinion regarding Brooks,however I will say,and I don't care how hard you both hammer me,Brooks has been given a great path into NRL because of his spectacular form in NYC and backing from the club...if he was a true talented halfback he would have taken control of this team long ago and even told slimey Moses to move aside and do as he is told,thats what contolling the team is about..to be honest he is a shy kid still coming out of his shell ..if that's what we want then leave him develop for another 3 or 4 years..Thurston got a kick in the arse when the Dogs didn't want him...how far has he gone ??? maybe Brooks needs the same...Iwill leabve you guys to ponder... :shock:
I agree 100%

Brooks has been very lucky. He's a very talented yet inconsistent player. His running game, speed and footwork are let down by the technical side of his game, specifically his game management and short kicking. He has coasted through the NRL so far because of his potential and he's managed to stay in first grade through numerous and fortunate excuses. Wether it was Moses being too dominant, Taylor not being a suitable coach, too many coaching changes, needing a better halves partner or not spending enough time with Cleary.

Brooks has finally run out of excuses and that is why I'm incredibly curious to see how he emerges from this preseason. All things being considered, he is a certainty to start the year at halfback but, that certainly doesn't mean his spot is safe. I really want Brooks to be the best player he can be and the player we need but, I'm not going defend him when he doesn't deserve it.
Obviously Cleary isn't going to wait 'forever' for Brooks to come good - hence a 2 year deal rather than the preferred 4 years that most seem to be under. However, he obviously thinks he can do enough to improve Luke's game which will see him become a solid first grader. I'm content to let the guys who are actually involved in all this to do it their way.

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Unread post by stryker » Fri 15 Sep, 2017 5:19 pm

Russell wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:58 pm
Tacky wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:56 pm
Brooks will start the year at 7, Reynolds at 6, Tui at 1 and Liddle at 9. Form and injuries will determine any changes throughout the year.
I see it the same way Tacky.
On paper thats currently a position 15 or 16 spine. Lets see what they can do over the next few months.

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Unread post by Byron Bay Fan » Fri 15 Sep, 2017 10:21 pm

TrueTiger wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 8:12 pm
Russell wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:58 pm
Tacky wrote:
Wed 13 Sep, 2017 7:56 pm
Brooks will start the year at 7, Reynolds at 6, Tui at 1 and Liddle at 9. Form and injuries will determine any changes throughout the year.
I see it the same way Tacky.
Yes Tacky, you and Russell both have the right opinion regarding Brooks,however I will say,and I don't care how hard you both hammer me,Brooks has been given a great path into NRL because of his spectacular form in NYC and backing from the club...if he was a true talented halfback he would have taken control of this team long ago and even told slimey Moses to move aside and do as he is told,thats what contolling the team is about..to be honest he is a shy kid still coming out of his shell ..if that's what we want then leave him develop for another 3 or 4 years..Thurston got a kick in the arse when the Dogs didn't want him...how far has he gone ??? maybe Brooks needs the same...Iwill leabve you guys to ponder... :shock:
with his greased combed-back hair he unfortunately still looks like a kid.
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