Realistic team list round 1 2018

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Re: Realistic team list round 1 2018

Post by Harvey » Sun 11 Feb, 2018 8:48 am

I can see him playing every position in the pack depending on the best 17 and the bench that Ivan wants. How long can the hooker play, and do you want to carry a specialist hooker on the bench for this rotation. Can both Lawrence and McQueen play 80 minutes? Who plays lock, and how long a rest do they need? Do we need size at that time, or a strong middle defender.

I would like to see him start on the edge, move to lock as the big men tire, and bring a strong edge runner on to test the opposition defence. He can move back to the edge when the bigger bodies come back on.


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Post by supercoach » Sun 11 Feb, 2018 8:59 am

I understand by playing Taylor at nine it allows us to squeeze another forward into the 17. My concern is most very good sides have class no9's. More often than not all your attack starts with the nine, he is the guy that makes the call to go left right or up the guts. Anyway I know Taylor has played plenty of no9 but I am not sure I would go down that path if I was coach

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Post by Seantice » Sun 11 Feb, 2018 9:00 am

Needaname wrote:
Sun 11 Feb, 2018 8:37 am
Interesting.
So Esentially what I'm getting from this is ET our once most valuable forward is destined to end up as our first choice forward utility alla Lewis Brown...
I guess you could move him to the edge after hooker but I would prefer the edge to be filled by either McQueen, Alioi, Rocco or Lawernce.
Anyone willing to through up the stats of Taylors output and the guys above when playing on an edge?
Not sure about stats but ET was always a edge player until the last year of his penrith. He played the 2011 grand final on the edge successfully.

At the end of the day a backrow of mcqueen, lawrence and Et is not viable. One of AloiaiEisenhuth must be in the starting pack.

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Post by Harvey » Sun 11 Feb, 2018 9:02 am

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Sun 11 Feb, 2018 8:59 am
I understand by playing Taylor at nine it allows us to squeeze another forward into the 17. My concern is most very good sides have class no9's. More often than not all your attack starts with the nine, he is the guy that makes the call to go left right or up the guts. Anyway I know Taylor has played plenty of no9 but I am not sure I would go down that path if I was coach
It would not be my preferred option, but acceptable as a stop gap (limited minutes to save carrying 2 hookers in the 17) or as coverage for injuries. I would play him there over Godinet, and not sure some of our other utilities (Benji) are up to the defensive workload. Moving Reynolds there for periods of the game would be too disruptive.

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Post by Needaname » Sun 11 Feb, 2018 9:05 am

So your suggestion would be something like.
9. Killer / liddle when fit for 30 followed by Taylor for 20 with Killer coming back on for the final stint, Killer plays between 50 to 60 minutes at Hooker.
11. Taylor for 30 followed by Alioi / lawernce / McQueen depending on the other edge, taylor to finish the game. Taylor plays 80 minutes multiple positions.
13. Eiso for 50 then rested for Taylor whom has a 10 to 15 minute spell at lock then goes back to the edge once Eiso comes back on. Eiso plays between 60 - 70 minutes at Lock.
In your proposal, I'm guessing Sue plays more minutes in the front row as I would of had him coming in whilst Eiso is rested to play lock?


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Post by Russell » Sun 11 Feb, 2018 9:07 am

As far as I can see - Taylor will be playing hooker or filling in at hooker for the first 3-4 games until Liddle starts his campaign. There will be no need for a utility to cover hooker after that apart from an injury.

What do we do with him then? Play him in ISP? I don't think so.

Lock is essentially a defensive position, he is a better defensive player than Eisenhuth in the middle and certainly better at slowing down the ruck than any other player in the team.

It is a no brainer for me - Packer, Matulino, Twal and Eisenhuth are the props.
Lawrence and Aloiai in the back row with Taylor.
Bench of Marshall, McQueen, Sue and Grant/Rocco (depending on opposition).

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Post by Nelson » Sun 11 Feb, 2018 9:27 am

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Sun 11 Feb, 2018 8:35 am
But removes the option of the dummy half taking off and making metres off the back of the momentum our new forwards generate. Opposition teams would be able to clock off around the ruck and focus their markers on close forwards.
Why does it remove that option? Farah's not exactly quick out of the blocks these days and he can still make good runs from dummy half. If opposition teams clock off around the ruck I'd expect to see Taylor making some runs.

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Post by Earl » Sun 11 Feb, 2018 10:29 am

Harvey wrote:
Sun 11 Feb, 2018 8:35 am
But removes the option of the dummy half taking off and making metres off the back of the momentum our new forwards generate. Opposition teams would be able to clock off around the ruck and focus their markers on close forwards.

I think he will definately play some minutes their, but not because it is the best option, but because of the lack of depth at dummy half. If McIllwrick goes down in the early rounds, god help us. We may even need to resort to Godinet.
I love ET and he does offer something wherever he plays but this is why I don't want him exclusively at dummy half. Heaps of attacking opportunities come about from your dummy half being able to scoot out quickly and I can't see ET doing that.

We really need Liddle to be a great dummy half.

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Post by supercoach » Sun 11 Feb, 2018 10:47 am

I think as others have said, Taylor plays nine or at least a part of the game at no9 till Middle has 80 minutes in him and I think that is at least a season away

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Post by Tacky » Sun 11 Feb, 2018 12:14 pm

It's gonna come down to form this year. Cleary has said you're not guaranteed a spot and everyone needs to work for theirs. I have a feeling we'll see a lot of changes to the team sheet from round to round.
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Post by Tigerdon » Mon 12 Feb, 2018 8:59 am

It was dark times a year ago. this thread was started in March 2017. I accidentally clicked on page 1 of this thread. There about 5 or 6 (out of the 17’s ) from peoples page 1 teams that are still relevant
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Post by Tacky » Mon 12 Feb, 2018 10:25 am

Tigerdon wrote:
Mon 12 Feb, 2018 8:59 am
It was dark times a year ago. this thread was started in March 2017. I accidentally clicked on page 1 of this thread. There about 5 or 6 (out of the 17’s ) from peoples page 1 teams that are still relevant
Did you see the team I started this thread with? I had no clue
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Post by wt01 » Mon 12 Feb, 2018 12:35 pm

1. lolohea
2. nofo
3. masters
4. milne
5. MWZ
6. JRey
7. Brooks
8. twal
9. Killer (liddle if fit)
10. packer
11. mcqueen
12. lawrence
13. ET
14. marshall
15. Huth
16. aloiai
17. Matulino

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Post by Dr Ice » Mon 12 Feb, 2018 1:16 pm

Russell wrote:
Sun 11 Feb, 2018 9:07 am

It is a no brainer for me - Packer, Matulino, Twal and Eisenhuth are the props.
Lawrence and Aloiai in the back row with Taylor.
Bench of Marshall, McQueen, Sue and Grant/Rocco (depending on opposition).
I am a bit confused Russell. If Twal and Eisenhuth are you back up props, don’t they need to be on the bench???? We should be strong with a 6 man bench.

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Post by Russell » Mon 12 Feb, 2018 3:51 pm

Dr Ice wrote:
Mon 12 Feb, 2018 1:16 pm
Russell wrote:
Sun 11 Feb, 2018 9:07 am

It is a no brainer for me - Packer, Matulino, Twal and Eisenhuth are the props.
Lawrence and Aloiai in the back row with Taylor.
Bench of Marshall, McQueen, Sue and Grant/Rocco (depending on opposition).
I am a bit confused Russell. If Twal and Eisenhuth are you back up props, don’t they need to be on the bench???? We should be strong with a 6 man bench.
I was getting a bit carried away Doc - drop Sue, Grant and Rocco from my list - makes it even stronger.

Thanks for picking that up. - yeah would be good to have 6 man bench, while others have 4.

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Post by Cairnstigers » Tue 13 Feb, 2018 1:46 pm

A question for all

Once our team is picked and as I see it , it will be our best team baring injuries, how long do we persist with that team

Keep in mind that the 1st 6 games we play the top 5 teams from last year
That I believe makes this question harder to answer

My opinion is if we preform well against those teams and all games are close then we should stick solid
We are a team of new faces and we need time to gel
Sure there will be some good players missing out on selection but they will get their chance
I don't envy Ivan picking our top 17
We all have our own opinions
What is yours

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Post by Tiger Watto » Tue 13 Feb, 2018 1:50 pm

Cairnstigers wrote:
Tue 13 Feb, 2018 1:46 pm
A question for all

Once our team is picked and as I see it , it will be our best team baring injuries, how long do we persist with that team

Keep in mind that the 1st 6 games we play the top 5 teams from last year
That I believe makes this question harder to answer

My opinion is if we preform well against those teams and all games are close then we should stick solid
We are a team of new faces and we need time to gel
Sure there will be some good players missing out on selection but they will get their chance
I don't envy Ivan picking our top 17
We all have our own opinions
What is yours
I'm not sure why you 'dont envy Ivan picking our top 17', but that is what he gets paid for.

He will live or die by his selections in 2018. No Excuses!
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Post by Tigerdon » Tue 13 Feb, 2018 1:54 pm

Tiger Watto wrote:
Tue 13 Feb, 2018 1:50 pm
Cairnstigers wrote:
Tue 13 Feb, 2018 1:46 pm
A question for all

Once our team is picked and as I see it , it will be our best team baring injuries, how long do we persist with that team

Keep in mind that the 1st 6 games we play the top 5 teams from last year
That I believe makes this question harder to answer

My opinion is if we preform well against those teams and all games are close then we should stick solid
We are a team of new faces and we need time to gel
Sure there will be some good players missing out on selection but they will get their chance
I don't envy Ivan picking our top 17
We all have our own opinions
What is yours
I'm not sure why you 'dont envy Ivan picking our top 17', but that is what he gets paid for.

He will live or die by his selections in 2018. No Excuses!
i kinda remember Woods , Moses, Taylor ect.. having a catch cry of "no excuses" with time last year.
anyway. lots of new faces and a proper pre season under Cleary and Ronnie. at least they look fit this year.
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