West Tigers -2018 Centres

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Re: West Tigers -2018 Centres

Unread post by Pawsandclaws » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:36 am

goldcoast tiger wrote:
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bigsiro wrote:
Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:34 am
I like the look of Milne.
Suli has been average.
Naiqama is a defensive liability.
Marsters is an unknown who looked good in the youth grades cos of his bulk.
Having compared to the rest of the teams, our centres, though full of potential, right now are completely unproven and defensively questionable. On paper we will arguably possess the worst centre pairing in the comp.
Even though most won't agree about Suli, I'm still to see what all the hype is about, I know he's still a kid, and he started Last season well, butHe seemed to drop off quite a bit pretty quickly.

I'm not saying he won't be a world beater, but you can only go on what he's doing on the field now, and average describes that pretty well
Tedesco would not pass the ball and also his crabbing across the field ran Suli out of space. Given quick ball in a bit of space, we saw Suli at his best.


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Unread post by Tiger Watto » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:40 am

Suli is a must pick for mine. Even though he is a kid, he was very mature about his rapid shuffle into the Centres. He looks like he goes about his work in a lumbering fashion, but on paper it is effective. Post Contact Metres were very special for a young kid, but I suppose we have to wait to see if he will be a flashy Centre, or the Tuiaki type of player who runs over his opposition. One thing is for certain, opposition coaches will ensure defenders are on him with numbers, and this could open up our Left Edge.

I'd persist with Marsters for Round 1. He is obviously a Backrower in development, but this is a area we already have challenges fitting in the best stock. I highly doubt he will develop in NSW Cup, so like Twal, he must complete his apprenticeship playing NRL.

Milne is going great for Fiji, but also looks lazy [so did Hodges at this age]. It is very hard to judge until he plays against a more structured squad, but he has size and looks capable. Watching him last night, I was looking for signs if he could play Fullback, but that didnt look likely.
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Unread post by wt01 » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 9:15 am

Milky wrote:
Sun 05 Nov, 2017 11:22 pm
For me...

1. Tui Lolohea
2. David Nofoaluma
3. Esan Marters
4. Moses Suli
5. Taane Milne
I think that for the back 5 for Rd 1, Fonua or Kev will be at #5

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Unread post by Tigerdon » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 10:41 am

I thought Suli and Marsters both did a good job defensively in 2017. Which was something Tigers struggled with in the centres and edge previously. For that reason alone i'd go with them for Round One. If Marsters gets a 5 (or less) out of ten , Milne or Fonua should be given their chance to make the centre position theirs.
Given Suli's age and pedigree i'd give him a little more time than Marsters. As Marsters is somewhat of a make shift centre and if its not working he should concentrate on a utility or second row position. Having said that, i see no reason why either would regress in 2018. They were both good finds in 2017 and should only get better.
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Unread post by Masterton » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 11:14 am

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 5:08 am
bigsiro wrote:
Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:34 am
I like the look of Milne.
Suli has been average.
Naiqama is a defensive liability.
Marsters is an unknown who looked good in the youth grades cos of his bulk.
Having compared to the rest of the teams, our centres, though full of potential, right now are completely unproven and defensively questionable. On paper we will arguably possess the worst centre pairing in the comp.
Even though most won't agree about Suli, I'm still to see what all the hype is about, I know he's still a kid, and he started Last season well, butHe seemed to drop off quite a bit pretty quickly.

I'm not saying he won't be a world beater, but you can only go on what he's doing on the field now, and average describes that pretty well
He certainly isn't a flashy centre. But he debuted at 18 with bugger all junior games and averaged 130 metres with the ball and often lead our post contact metres. He's a keeper.
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Unread post by Snake » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 1:00 pm

Talking footy over the weekend with a couple of long term Dragons supporters and they say Milne is well above average ,have watched his progress and would of liked to have kept him ... sounds with Suli and Milne a big centre pairing to contend with both big boys.

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Unread post by TigersBusDriver » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 2:19 pm

bigsiro wrote:
Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:34 am
I like the look of Milne.
Suli has been average.
Naiqama is a defensive liability.
Marsters is an unknown who looked good in the youth grades cos of his bulk.
Having compared to the rest of the teams, our centres, though full of potential, right now are completely unproven and defensively questionable. On paper we will arguably possess the worst centre pairing in the comp.
Suli has been average?

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Unread post by bigsiro » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 3:01 pm

TigersBusDriver wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 2:19 pm
bigsiro wrote:
Thu 19 Oct, 2017 10:34 am
I like the look of Milne.
Suli has been average.
Naiqama is a defensive liability.
Marsters is an unknown who looked good in the youth grades cos of his bulk.
Having compared to the rest of the teams, our centres, though full of potential, right now are completely unproven and defensively questionable. On paper we will arguably possess the worst centre pairing in the comp.
Suli has been average?
Not sure if you mean that he has been above, or below average. There are definitely mixed reviews on here.
When rating centres, perhaps here's a random bunch who would be considered above average (or better, or slightly above average) (in no particular order):

Jennings, Takairangi, Roberts, Gagai, Watene-Zelezniak, Moga, Lafai, Aitken, Chambers, O'Neill, Linnett, Mitchell, Ferguson, Aubusson, Harris, Hayne, Capewell Leutele, Leilua, Croker, Peachey, Whare, Morris, Walker, Hiku, Hurrell, Auva'a, Copley, Bird.

The list is by no means exhaustive or comprehensive (don't shoot me, it's rough!). Some of those guys aren't really that good, but comparatively they are certainly better than also-ran centres - which truly is mostly the rest of the competition.

There just aren't too many great centres these days. It is not a glamour position anymore. Nowadays, centres that are largely average players seem better only because comparatively centres have become lacklustre.

Anyway, I don't rate Naiqama, and I hardly consider Suli to be much better than him. I reckon he will be one day, but for now he needs to develop if he is to get to above average - IMO.
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Unread post by colmcd » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 3:15 pm

Milky wrote:
Sun 05 Nov, 2017 11:22 pm
For me...

1. Tui Lolohea
2. David Nofoaluma
3. Esan Marters
4. Moses Suli
5. Taane Milne
I think Taane Milne will start in the Centers, but at the cost of whom? Suli seems to have bedded down one spot, Marsters the other (unless he moves to Lock/second row).

I think Mahe Fonua is going to claim the wing spot. Did we really hire Corey Thompson as well as MWZ and Kevie?

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Unread post by formerguest » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 4:31 pm

I hope Milne is playing ahead of a fit Marsters, even if only because we need to be better in that position than Esan was last year. Suli would have to go backwards from his pre ankle problem form to miss out and expecting him excel with better ball and more often against a retreating defence this year.

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Unread post by Lidcombe Magpie » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 4:48 pm

formerguest wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 4:31 pm
I hope Milne is playing ahead of a fit Marsters, even if only because we need to be better in that position than Esan was last year. Suli would have to go backwards from his pre ankle problem form to miss out and expecting him excel with better ball and more often against a retreating defence this year.
I have said this before but I think Marsters would make a good hooker

Big, tackles well, strong, fast with a good step and he seems to have a good pair of hands. Best of all he will less injury prone than our current 2 hookers.

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Unread post by WTArmy » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:43 pm

I Think it might be like this:

1. Lolohea
2. Nofoaluma
3. Milne
4. Suli
5. Fonua

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Unread post by wt00 » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:52 pm

WTArmy wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:43 pm
I Think it might be like this:

1. Lolohea
2. Nofoaluma
3. Milne
4. Suli
5. Fonua
That's how I see us for R1 too
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Unread post by Tigerdon » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 9:42 pm

wt00 wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:52 pm
WTArmy wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:43 pm
I Think it might be like this:

1. Lolohea
2. Nofoaluma
3. Milne
4. Suli
5. Fonua
That's how I see us for R1 too

1. Lolohea
2. Nofoaluma
3. Milne/ Marsters- close battle, preseason & trials will see who gets the nod.
4. Suli
5. Fonua

the World Cup is giving Milne good boost.
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Unread post by Earl » Mon 06 Nov, 2017 10:23 pm

wt00 wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:52 pm
WTArmy wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:43 pm
I Think it might be like this:

1. Lolohea
2. Nofoaluma
3. Milne
4. Suli
5. Fonua
That's how I see us for R1 too
This is what I think we will be running with as well.

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Unread post by colmcd » Tue 07 Nov, 2017 4:00 pm

Tigerdon wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 9:42 pm
wt00 wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:52 pm
WTArmy wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:43 pm
I Think it might be like this:

1. Lolohea
2. Nofoaluma
3. Milne
4. Suli
5. Fonua
That's how I see us for R1 too

1. Lolohea
2. Nofoaluma
3. Milne/ Marsters- close battle, preseason & trials will see who gets the nod.
4. Suli
5. Fonua

the World Cup is giving Milne good boost.
Totally agree with the above, Milne and Marsters will fight it out for Center and Milne could claim it.

Ok so who is the bench back/utility?
I could see 2 props on the bench, with Marsters making the 3rd bench spot. Then maybe Corey Thompson as our utility?? But it would be better to get a Utility who can shake things up.

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Unread post by wt01 » Tue 07 Nov, 2017 4:53 pm

colmcd wrote:
Tue 07 Nov, 2017 4:00 pm
Tigerdon wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 9:42 pm
wt00 wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:52 pm
WTArmy wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:43 pm
I Think it might be like this:

1. Lolohea
2. Nofoaluma
3. Milne
4. Suli
5. Fonua
That's how I see us for R1 too

1. Lolohea
2. Nofoaluma
3. Milne/ Marsters- close battle, preseason & trials will see who gets the nod.
4. Suli
5. Fonua

the World Cup is giving Milne good boost.
Totally agree with the above, Milne and Marsters will fight it out for Center and Milne could claim it.

Ok so who is the bench back/utility?
I could see 2 props on the bench, with Marsters making the 3rd bench spot. Then maybe Corey Thompson as our utility?? But it would be better to get a Utility who can shake things up.
could marshall be that utility?? 8-)

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Unread post by Russell » Tue 07 Nov, 2017 5:57 pm

colmcd wrote:
Tue 07 Nov, 2017 4:00 pm
Tigerdon wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 9:42 pm
wt00 wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:52 pm
WTArmy wrote:
Mon 06 Nov, 2017 7:43 pm
I Think it might be like this:

1. Lolohea
2. Nofoaluma
3. Milne
4. Suli
5. Fonua
That's how I see us for R1 too

1. Lolohea
2. Nofoaluma
3. Milne/ Marsters- close battle, preseason & trials will see who gets the nod.
4. Suli
5. Fonua

the World Cup is giving Milne good boost.
Totally agree with the above, Milne and Marsters will fight it out for Center and Milne could claim it.

Ok so who is the bench back/utility?
I could see 2 props on the bench, with Marsters making the 3rd bench spot. Then maybe Corey Thompson as our utility?? But it would be better to get a Utility who can shake things up.
Bet your boots the utility will be Benji - no contest. Can play anywhere in the backs.

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