Dropped Lolohea faces fullback challenge

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Re: Dropped Lolohea faces fullback challenge

Post by quintus » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 10:01 am

I can't guess what Ivan wants him to work on unless it's fitness / weight.... :sign:


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Post by beachtiger » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 10:11 am

criwdfluffer wrote:
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 9:51 am
It seems a strange move......it must be his fitness.

Surely if its just a selection thing ud give em 40 mins each and the best man wins.

Also strange as Tui went pretty well from my eye against the cows....
I tend to agree that he went pretty well but here is the thing, the Coach obviously didn't and saw things in his game that isn't what he wants from his fullback. For me that is significant indication that IC won't be settling for anything less than what is expected from his players, great place for us to be in.

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Post by Balmain Boy » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 10:29 am

In the end it's better for Tui to have 80 mins to work on things, and get fitness up than to play half a game in NRL. He already has some combinations with half the squad having played in halves with brooks, mcilwrick etc last season.
Depending on how major the things he has to work on are he could be in for round 1 or start a few weeks later if Thompson's going ok

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Post by oldprop » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 10:29 am

quintus wrote:
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 10:01 am
I can't guess what Ivan wants him to work on unless it's fitness / weight.... :sign:
I’m thinking positional play in defence. Covering the opposition’s short kicking game and ability to get to the loose ball. These things don’t really show up on the TV coverage which concentrates on the PTB.
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Post by domster » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 10:36 am

Our coaching staff, both Clearly and Hodgo were FB's.

They would know a hell of a lot more about positional play etc that us punters would not even notice.

I think we just need to back their judgement..


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Post by domster » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 10:36 am

*Cleary...

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Post by jirskyr » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 10:50 am

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Fri 23 Feb, 2018 9:41 am
In my opinion it's the wrong move by Cleary.
No matter what Lolohea says no player likes getting dumped to reggies.
Isn't that kind of the point though? He's not supposed to like "being dumped" and he's supposed to react by performing better and more consistently.

If he can't / doesn't, then he's really not the type of player the Tigers want. That's the point of having this new depth. Our roster might be lacking in superstars, but they are expected to play consistently near their best, with consequences if they do not. And if they lose their bundle playing reggies (adversity), then they are probably also going to lose their bundle on the field during key moments.

Tigers have for 2 decades had too many players whose best and worst games are too far apart in performance and too close together in frequency. Melbourne Storm aren't the best team in the comp because they have all the best players in the best positions. They are the best team because the difference between their worst and best games is very small.

So personally I think Tui's best games are well above anything Corey Thompson can produce. But if Corey plays near his best every week and Tui doesn't, then he's the fullback I want. And the minute one of them gets injured, we already know we have a capable replacement, rather than swapping out Tedesco for Sean Meaney in previous seasons.

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Post by quintus » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 11:55 am

At no point does Ivan or Tui state that he has to work on a certain part of his game....
That would be giving away secrets....They both say he has to work on "things" and that's
why I lean towards fitness as the reason for his demotion....It also allows the coaching
staff to have a good look at Corey in the fullback roll.... :sign:

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Post by FOD001 » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 12:11 pm

quintus wrote:
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 11:55 am
At no point does Ivan or Tui state that he has to work on a certain part of his game....
That would be giving away secrets....They both say he has to work on "things" and that's
why I lean towards fitness as the reason for his demotion....It also allows the coaching
staff to have a good look at Corey in the fullback roll.... :sign:
You are 💯 correct on your assessment 👍🏼

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Post by tigerap » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 12:18 pm

He has been dropped from a trial for crying out loud.... if a coach ever wanted to send a message to a player WITHOUT really impacting the result of a game....a trial is the perfect time to do it......

Unless Thompson has an absolute blinder Saturday night, Lolhea will be the fullback for round 1, and he will have 3 weeks to work on the things he needs to improve on i.e. fitness!.

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Post by sideline eye » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 12:35 pm

FOD001 wrote:
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 12:11 pm
quintus wrote:
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 11:55 am
At no point does Ivan or Tui state that he has to work on a certain part of his game....
That would be giving away secrets....They both say he has to work on "things" and that's
why I lean towards fitness as the reason for his demotion....It also allows the coaching
staff to have a good look at Corey in the fullback roll.... :sign:
You are 💯 correct on your assessment 👍🏼
Am I missing something? I just can't see how a lack of fitness can be addressed by dropping Tui to play in reserves. Sure, he'll most likely get 80 minutes in reserves but the coach could also have given him the same time in firsts, playing at a greater intensity which would benefit his fitness even more. No, I think it's something other than fitness.

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Post by willow » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 12:39 pm

Fitness is definitely one of the aspects he needs to work on.

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Post by quintus » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 12:40 pm

tigerap wrote:
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 12:18 pm
He has been dropped from a trial for crying out loud.... if a coach ever wanted to send a message to a player WITHOUT really impacting the result of a game....a trial is the perfect time to do it......

Unless Thompson has an absolute blinder Saturday night, Lolhea will be the fullback for round 1, and he will have 3 weeks to work on the things he needs to improve on i.e. fitness!.
Thank you for bringing that to my attention Ivan.... :sign:

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Post by Russell » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 12:58 pm

willow wrote:
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 12:39 pm
Fitness is definitely one of the aspects he needs to work on.
Fitness might need a top up.

I think it is more defence chat from the back he need practice in.
A little slower game may help him get it together.

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Post by Mac tiger » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 1:16 pm

Tui will be fb in R1. There is no viable alternative for goalkicking.

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Post by 851 » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 1:36 pm

domster wrote:
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 10:36 am
Our coaching staff, both Clearly and Hodgo were FB's.

They would know a hell of a lot more about positional play etc that us punters would not even notice.

I think we just need to back their judgement..
Interesting to read Minichello commenting on Teddy, " He can take his game to the next level, and I think he has the right coaching to do that."
Ivan should use this to fire up for rd 1.
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Post by Boonboon2 » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 1:47 pm

People say he needs to work on his defence talk - did the Cowboys score a single point while he was on the field last week ? They had one run away try before halftime but I think Lolo was off by then and the other 2 were before he came back on I thought - mayby the last one but we were down to 12

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Post by Geo. » Fri 23 Feb, 2018 1:59 pm

Boonboon2 wrote:
Fri 23 Feb, 2018 1:47 pm
People say he needs to work on his defence talk - did the Cowboys score a single point while he was on the field last week ? They had one run away try before halftime but I think Lolo was off by then and the other 2 were before he came back on I thought - mayby the last one but we were down to 12

Not sure causation equates to correlation in this case..just because no points were scored or not doesn't mean Lolohea doesn't have 'things to work on' according to the Coaching Staff...
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