Defense Rock Solid But Offense a Work in Progress

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Re: Defense Rock Solid But Offense a Work in Progress

Post by jirskyr » Sun 11 Mar, 2018 11:21 pm

2041 wrote:
Sun 11 Mar, 2018 2:17 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Sun 11 Mar, 2018 8:54 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 11 Mar, 2018 8:34 am
I would rather solid defence with clunky attack, than solid attack with clunky defence.
Great call GNR

Having a great defence will win you more games than attack will

Defence wins premierships
I think the recent history of the comp suggests you probably need both. Other than the 2010 Dragons, who were a bit of a freak in many, many ways, basically every winning team is among the elite in attack and defence.

This is by points scored/conceded so a bit crude, but it makes the point:
2017 - Melbourne: best attack, best defence
2016 - Sharks: 3rd best attack, 3rd best defence
2015 - Cowboys: 2nd best attack, 5th best defence
2014 - Souths: 3rd best attack, best defence
2013 - Roosters: best attack, best defence
2012 - Storm: 2nd best attack, best defence
2011 - Manly: best attack, 2nd best defence
2010 - Dragons: 8th best attack, best defence
Did you look any wider than the premiers? Not being sarky, I mean I did an analysis a few years ago and from memory the better your defence, the more likely you are in the Top 8.

Sure top attacking sides are there too, but being a Top 8 defensive side had more bearing on a team actually making the Top 8 than attack.

You've clearly shown when it comes to being the premiers however, both attack and defence need to be near the best.


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Post by 2041 » Mon 12 Mar, 2018 8:02 am

jirskyr wrote:
Sun 11 Mar, 2018 11:21 pm
2041 wrote:
Sun 11 Mar, 2018 2:17 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Sun 11 Mar, 2018 8:54 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sun 11 Mar, 2018 8:34 am
I would rather solid defence with clunky attack, than solid attack with clunky defence.
Great call GNR

Having a great defence will win you more games than attack will

Defence wins premierships
I think the recent history of the comp suggests you probably need both. Other than the 2010 Dragons, who were a bit of a freak in many, many ways, basically every winning team is among the elite in attack and defence.

This is by points scored/conceded so a bit crude, but it makes the point:
2017 - Melbourne: best attack, best defence
2016 - Sharks: 3rd best attack, 3rd best defence
2015 - Cowboys: 2nd best attack, 5th best defence
2014 - Souths: 3rd best attack, best defence
2013 - Roosters: best attack, best defence
2012 - Storm: 2nd best attack, best defence
2011 - Manly: best attack, 2nd best defence
2010 - Dragons: 8th best attack, best defence
Did you look any wider than the premiers? Not being sarky, I mean I did an analysis a few years ago and from memory the better your defence, the more likely you are in the Top 8.

Sure top attacking sides are there too, but being a Top 8 defensive side had more bearing on a team actually making the Top 8 than attack.

You've clearly shown when it comes to being the premiers however, both attack and defence need to be near the best.
TBH I only spent a couple of minutes on it - it wasn't meant to be detailed analysis. That said, the comment was "defence wins premierships" so I don't think it was unreasonable to look purely at teams that, y'know, won the premiership. If we add your analysis we might actually be left with a conclusion that's even more contradictory to the original claim - something like: "defence gets you to the finals, but to win the premiership you have to have attack as well".

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