Aaron Woods

Will Woods have a good game?

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Re: Aaron Woods

Post by tigerap » Mon 21 May, 2018 6:27 pm

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I consider this game to be the tester as to how the team is travelling, if we don't win this, it might be a quiet back end to the season. So far the Tigers have exceeded my expectations.

And I reckon A.Woods will be up for this, he'll have something to prove.
I agree, his point will be to run 100+ meters backwards, flop with30 tackles..


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Post by Tweed Tiger » Mon 21 May, 2018 7:40 pm

Gotta love all these media reports saying Woods should be in origin because of his stats.

Woods can have his good games but far to often he kills momentum in a set.

Teams found him out last year just by holding him up and letting him walk a few metres in reverse and they get a 20 second break and reset the line

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Post by jirskyr » Mon 21 May, 2018 8:05 pm

Tweed Tiger wrote:
Mon 21 May, 2018 7:40 pm
Gotta love all these media reports saying Woods should be in origin because of his stats.

Woods can have his good games but far to often he kills momentum in a set.

Teams found him out last year just by holding him up and letting him walk a few metres in reverse and they get a 20 second break and reset the line
It is an interesting read.
https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/05/21/num ... ron-woods/
Numbers don't lie: The Origin case for Aaron Woods

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If you ask most people who should be the first front rower picked for NSW, the answer you'll likely get is Reagan Campbell-Gillard.

And it's hard to argue with that given his impressive start to the year for the Penrith Panthers.

But how misleading is individual form? Is it affected by perception of how well your team is going?

For instance, Aaron Woods is almost the forgotten man when it comes to Blues selection.

But is that a reflection of Canterbury's woes or is he genuinely struggling?

It looks like Campbell-Gillard is running harder, tackling stronger and having a far more meaningful impact on the game than Woods.

It's as if he's making 42 metres or four runs more per game. Like he's missed 23 less tackles or offloaded 18 more times this year.

Well, turns out looks can be deceiving. It's actually Woods who is on the dominant end of those figures.

Granted, statistics don't always paint a picture of the truth. But they also don't lie.

Campbell-Gillard is averaging 8.9 runs per game for 98.1 metres with a total of 386.8 post contact metres for the season.

Compare that to Woods, who is averaging 13.4 runs per game for 140 metres with a total of 581.2 post contact metres in 11 games this year. Yet it looks inevitable that he will miss out with Paul Vaughan, Jack de Belin and Campbell-Gillard expected to make their State of Origin debut in the June 6 opener.
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Campbell-Gillard has missed a staggering 37 tackles this year, while Woods has missed just 15.

There's also been pressure on David Klemmer to hold on to his spot but his numbers are superior to both Campbell-Gillard and Woods – or any NSW forward for that matter – averaging a mammoth 173.8 metres per game this year.

Woods has also had slightly quicker play-the-balls than Campbell-Gillard this season, averaging 3.27 seconds compared with the Panthers prop's 3.51.

By no means is this a suggestion that Campbell-Gillard shouldn't be picked, because he deserves to add State of Origin honours to the international honours he racked up last year.

But it seems as though the fortunes of respective teams somewhat dilute perception of how a player is actually performing.

Take Andrew Fifita for example. He's once again being touted as the best prop in the game on the back of five straight wins for the Sharks, but his numbers over the past five rounds aren't too dissimilar to his start to the year.

Now there's talk about Fifita playing game one and three, despite pledging his allegiance to Tonga and will miss the second game of the series as a result.

Given the way Fittler has spoken in the past and the values he seems to be basing his team on, it will be extraordinary if he jeopardises what he is trying to build by selecting Fifita.

It's almost as if the Blues have used his form spike to detract attention from all the rookies they are about to unearth in the series opener at the Melbourne Cricket Ground.

One of those was expected to be Curtis Scott, but his brain explosion at AAMI Park – where he punched Dylan Walker – has cost him any chance of partnering Storm teammate Josh Addo-Carr on the left edge for NSW.

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Post by jirskyr » Mon 21 May, 2018 8:11 pm

Question is about "killing momentum" is that he makes more metres, takes more hitups and plays the ball faster than RCG.

RCG makes 50cm more on average per charge; they make the same post-contact metres as per run.

So the question is, if Woods really is that slow, where is he slow compared to RCG? In the time it takes to make the run but not including the PTB? Because stats say Woods plays the ball more quickly.

Woods makes far more offloads, even if some of them aren't good, he makes so many more than RCG as to say RCG effectively has no second-phase.

RCG misses a rather horrid # of tackles... for comparison Brooks and Moses have missed 47.

So precisely where is RCG more effective than Woods? And I personally don't care if Woods plays or not, it just interests me as a Tigers supporter, there always seems to be a bias towards players doing ok in a good team rather doing well in a poor team.

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Post by InBenjiWeTrust » Mon 21 May, 2018 8:13 pm

IMHO, Woods and Tedesco are 1000 times more Tigers than Farah or Moses :sign:
So if Woods or Tedesco wants to come back, Farah and Moses shall be somewhere around Pluto or Neptune :)


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Post by goldcoast tiger » Mon 21 May, 2018 8:16 pm

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We don't need to worry about Woods so much but look out for Klemmer, he's going great guns and really stood up against the Sharks. They went blow for blow against the Sharks and only lost it at the end; it will be a very hard task for us to beat them with the lack of energy we've been showing.
You might be interested in a stat comparison between Woodsie , Klemmer , and Campbell Gillard on NRL .com
maybe someone with more tech knowledge might be able to link it to the forum.
Interesting,.....
Better than Gillard on all 6 categories, and beats Kiemmer on 3 out of the six. its just stats , but if WTs have the same attitude that some of the forum has, , we could be in for a shock
If hes got any chance of making Origin, (which he probably doesent) he'll need a really huge effort this week.

Sorry didnt know Jirskyr had already posted it.
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Post by innsaneink » Mon 21 May, 2018 8:20 pm

Id like to know who times the PTBs...what a mind numbing job that would be

Do they have this stat for every player?
Is it gauged by every PTB over every game?
100+ PTBs every game?...8 games a week.

I really wonder about the accuracy of all these stats sometimes...NRL now has ''receipts'' (381 NQ-325 Souths)and ''dummy pass'' (27 NQ - 21 Souths)stats...what the hell are these?

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Post by old man tiger » Mon 21 May, 2018 8:28 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Mon 21 May, 2018 8:20 pm
Id like to know who times the PTBs...what a mind numbing job that would be

Do they have this stat for every player?
Is it gauged by every PTB over every game?
100+ PTBs every game?...8 games a week.

I really wonder about the accuracy of all these stats sometimes...NRL now has ''receipts'' (381 NQ-325 Souths)and ''dummy pass'' (27 NQ - 21 Souths)stats...what the hell are these?
These are the number of winning TAB receipts for the refs, roughly equal to the number of bad calls in the game multiplied by 2 (1 winning receipt for each ref, per bad call against each team).

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Post by happy tiger » Mon 21 May, 2018 8:30 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Mon 21 May, 2018 8:05 pm
Tweed Tiger wrote:
Mon 21 May, 2018 7:40 pm
Gotta love all these media reports saying Woods should be in origin because of his stats.

Woods can have his good games but far to often he kills momentum in a set.

Teams found him out last year just by holding him up and letting him walk a few metres in reverse and they get a 20 second break and reset the line
It is an interesting read.
https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/05/21/num ... ron-woods/
Numbers don't lie: The Origin case for Aaron Woods

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If you ask most people who should be the first front rower picked for NSW, the answer you'll likely get is Reagan Campbell-Gillard.

And it's hard to argue with that given his impressive start to the year for the Penrith Panthers.

But how misleading is individual form? Is it affected by perception of how well your team is going?

For instance, Aaron Woods is almost the forgotten man when it comes to Blues selection.

But is that a reflection of Canterbury's woes or is he genuinely struggling?

It looks like Campbell-Gillard is running harder, tackling stronger and having a far more meaningful impact on the game than Woods.

It's as if he's making 42 metres or four runs more per game. Like he's missed 23 less tackles or offloaded 18 more times this year.

Well, turns out looks can be deceiving. It's actually Woods who is on the dominant end of those figures.

Granted, statistics don't always paint a picture of the truth. But they also don't lie.

Campbell-Gillard is averaging 8.9 runs per game for 98.1 metres with a total of 386.8 post contact metres for the season.

Compare that to Woods, who is averaging 13.4 runs per game for 140 metres with a total of 581.2 post contact metres in 11 games this year. Yet it looks inevitable that he will miss out with Paul Vaughan, Jack de Belin and Campbell-Gillard expected to make their State of Origin debut in the June 6 opener.
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Campbell-Gillard has missed a staggering 37 tackles this year, while Woods has missed just 15.

There's also been pressure on David Klemmer to hold on to his spot but his numbers are superior to both Campbell-Gillard and Woods – or any NSW forward for that matter – averaging a mammoth 173.8 metres per game this year.

Woods has also had slightly quicker play-the-balls than Campbell-Gillard this season, averaging 3.27 seconds compared with the Panthers prop's 3.51.

By no means is this a suggestion that Campbell-Gillard shouldn't be picked, because he deserves to add State of Origin honours to the international honours he racked up last year.

But it seems as though the fortunes of respective teams somewhat dilute perception of how a player is actually performing.

Take Andrew Fifita for example. He's once again being touted as the best prop in the game on the back of five straight wins for the Sharks, but his numbers over the past five rounds aren't too dissimilar to his start to the year.

Now there's talk about Fifita playing game one and three, despite pledging his allegiance to Tonga and will miss the second game of the series as a result.

Given the way Fittler has spoken in the past and the values he seems to be basing his team on, it will be extraordinary if he jeopardises what he is trying to build by selecting Fifita.

It's almost as if the Blues have used his form spike to detract attention from all the rookies they are about to unearth in the series opener at the Melbourne Cricket Ground.

One of those was expected to be Curtis Scott, but his brain explosion at AAMI Park – where he punched Dylan Walker – has cost him any chance of partnering Storm teammate Josh Addo-Carr on the left edge for NSW.
It's funny , they tried to use stats to pick the Qld back 5

Every player who won the stats wasn't picked and cursed Feldt

Feldt hadn't dropped a kick until the missed drop out on Saturday , oh that's right should be counted because 4 Rabbits were off side :brick:

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Post by happy tiger » Mon 21 May, 2018 8:34 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Mon 21 May, 2018 8:20 pm
Id like to know who times the PTBs...what a mind numbing job that would be

Do they have this stat for every player?
Is it gauged by every PTB over every game?
100+ PTBs every game?...8 games a week.

I really wonder about the accuracy of all these stats sometimes...NRL now has ''receipts'' (381 NQ-325 Souths)and ''dummy pass'' (27 NQ - 21 Souths)stats...what the hell are these?
Wonder if a dummy pass would be one thrown into the third row by Benji

I'm guessing receipts must be amount of passes caught , possibly means how many fans tore up their betting tickets before full time ;)

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Post by innsaneink » Mon 21 May, 2018 8:35 pm

You $$ back $$ the Cowbees Hap?
You been bangin on about the offside four for 48 hours now...dont talk thru yer kick

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Post by jirskyr » Mon 21 May, 2018 8:42 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Mon 21 May, 2018 8:20 pm
Id like to know who times the PTBs...what a mind numbing job that would be

Do they have this stat for every player?
Is it gauged by every PTB over every game?
100+ PTBs every game?...8 games a week.

I really wonder about the accuracy of all these stats sometimes...NRL now has ''receipts'' (381 NQ-325 Souths)and ''dummy pass'' (27 NQ - 21 Souths)stats...what the hell are these?
NRL outsources it to a stats company I believe. There are a few of them around, they collect stats and sell them to the clubs, the NRL, betting agencies, fantasy leagues etc.

It goes something like this:

Basically a team of blokes (maybe a few ladies) in a room full of computers, they watch the games live and log every action in a database via commands, e.g. perhaps they have keystroke shortcuts for the different stats, or mouse clicks on screen icons. There might be several people per game capturing the same thing, or different things, for accuracy and speed of live vision.

The system then turns the stats into a running formula for the game, so they can automatically work out things like like the on-field activity hotspots, possession rates etc.

At the end of the match it gets reviewed by another 1-2 parties for consistency, that's why the initial in-game stats and the revisions are not identical.

Doesn't pay particularly well, I know a bloke who went for a job at one company. The major hiccough was they needed him to work every Thursday-Monday evening and he was a younger fellow, didn't want to give up his night-time recreation.

I also personally wonder, like you noted about boredom, if getting paid to watch footy would be ace, or actually destroy something I love.

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Post by happy tiger » Mon 21 May, 2018 8:47 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Mon 21 May, 2018 8:35 pm
You $$ back $$ the Cowbees Hap?
You been bangin on about the offside four for 48 hours now...dont talk thru yer kick
Nah Ink , all due to how a Cows win helps the WT's short term make the Top 8

Can't remember the last time I had a punt Ink , didn't even punt Melbourne Cup day

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Post by innsaneink » Mon 21 May, 2018 8:48 pm

Interesting, thanks

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Post by Demps » Mon 21 May, 2018 9:07 pm

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IMHO, Woods and Tedesco are 1000 times more Tigers than Farah or Moses :sign:
So if Woods or Tedesco wants to come back, Farah and Moses shall be somewhere around Pluto or Neptune :)
Think Ur being a bit harsh on Roberto.
Hes definitely nothing like those three snakes u mentioned.

Love to hear your reasoning behind this?
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Post by Masterton » Mon 21 May, 2018 9:14 pm

I suspect that the reason Woods has a "quicker" play-the-ball is because it doesn't count the 8 seconds he struggles against the defenders before he hits the ground.
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Post by Demps » Mon 21 May, 2018 9:37 pm

Woods is a massive girl.
Mentioned it before, but...

Plods the ball up, turns his back in the tackle then submits.
Falls on the ground. Takes ages to get up.

Play the ball.. Probably does it wrong or knocks it on.

Painful.
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Post by formerguest » Mon 21 May, 2018 9:50 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Mon 21 May, 2018 8:11 pm
Question is about "killing momentum" is that he makes more metres, takes more hitups and plays the ball faster than RCG.

RCG makes 50cm more on average per charge; they make the same post-contact metres as per run.

So the question is, if Woods really is that slow, where is he slow compared to RCG? In the time it takes to make the run but not including the PTB? Because stats say Woods plays the ball more quickly.

Woods makes far more offloads, even if some of them aren't good, he makes so many more than RCG as to say RCG effectively has no second-phase.

RCG misses a rather horrid # of tackles... for comparison Brooks and Moses have missed 47.

So precisely where is RCG more effective than Woods? And I personally don't care if Woods plays or not, it just interests me as a Tigers supporter, there always seems to be a bias towards players doing ok in a good team rather doing well in a poor team.
The play the ball timing does not include the amble, the about face and then arse first dancing time.

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