Throwing the season away

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Re: Throwing the season away

Post by TYGA » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 2:40 pm

Telltails wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 1:22 pm
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All good opinions differ. I would rather a squad built for the long haul than pulling a Titans Hayne, Hurrell, Procter on huge money getting to the finals and rebuilding ever since.
My view has not differed since the pre season in that we would make the 8 if teams got injuries and due to our depth not our talent we would bank wins at the end of the season.

Players can see we are in a rebuild they will sign for 1) Money 2) the talent on the roster 3) coach. Whether we end 8th or 10th won’t make a scerrick of a difference. We want players that sign saying I will improve the team and get us to the finals not the easy riders Moses & Woods types.
Our highest paid front row do not look players that we need here for the long haul based on recent performances. (Matulino yesterday was decent)

Dont know if Packer is playing injured but they are not playing like an the enforcing front row that has the signs of much longevity.
Try taking hit ups off ET passes. It’s the hooker causing a drop in the metres for the forwards. Packer is obviously injured but he never was a 150 metre a game forward. He is a defensive anchor with a strong carry and quick play the ball. Packer, Mats, Twal are a good rotation it’s not our problem.
It’s so obvious the criticism of the front roe I think is unfounded.
So who is passing to Twal and Eisenhuth.?
Cop out - barring injury both need to contribute more as our supposed two top props - 4yrs worth?
Nonsense.

Twal is a beast but coming on against bench props. Eiso is a worker gets stats zero force behind his play. I just dont agree at all with your assessment.

They will be the cornerstone of what we do for the next 4 years. You think Cleary signed them because they are mugs.

Injury is playing its part but also running into Gallen, Fifita, RCG, Tampa, JWH, Napa, Klemmer/Woods in consecutive weeks. You also pay zero credit to defence and speed of the play the ball.


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Post by Geo. » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 2:47 pm

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This is a message to management and West Tigers are the same team as last year.
Nothing to excite the SUFFERING FANS.
How long do we have to wait to have a competitive team like 2005 team?????
We have no Fullback
We have no Hooker and our halves are ordinary and kicking game does not exist!

We are sick of losing to the same teams every season
I think we r :deadhorse:
Ask the NRL experts don't take my word
Making the eight is a pie in the sky !
PLS let me know your thoughts?
Bex and a lie down often helps..
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..

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Post by Russell » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 2:48 pm

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Agree TYGA, it all starts with the number 9.
Yep!

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Post by voice of reason » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 3:15 pm

As a realist, I think our current ladder position is about right. The teams ahead are better than us and the teams behind are worse. With a touch of luck we could jag a final's spot and who knows from there.
There's little doubt we've been dudded a couple of times but aside from the frustration of constantly tight games, I've enjoyed being competitive in a season I thought we'd be doing much worse.
My sincere hope is that Liddle morphs into Damien Cook in the future (and I do think that's possible). We desperately need a solution at 9 - the modern game demands a quality hooker for success.
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Post by goldcoast tiger » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 3:55 pm

voice of reason wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 3:15 pm
As a realist, I think our current ladder position is about right. The teams ahead are better than us and the teams behind are worse. With a touch of luck we could jag a final's spot and who knows from there.
There's little doubt we've been dudded a couple of times but aside from the frustration of constantly tight games, I've enjoyed being competitive in a season I thought we'd be doing much worse.
My sincere hope is that Liddle morphs into Damien Cook in the future (and I do think that's possible). We desperately need a solution at 9 - the modern game demands a quality hooker for success.
Problem is that he is the size of a garden gnome and staying healthy is going to be hard for him.
I hope that he can stand up to the rigours of first grade, but have strong doubts.


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Post by Geo. » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 4:00 pm

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 3:55 pm
voice of reason wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 3:15 pm
As a realist, I think our current ladder position is about right. The teams ahead are better than us and the teams behind are worse. With a touch of luck we could jag a final's spot and who knows from there.
There's little doubt we've been dudded a couple of times but aside from the frustration of constantly tight games, I've enjoyed being competitive in a season I thought we'd be doing much worse.
My sincere hope is that Liddle morphs into Damien Cook in the future (and I do think that's possible). We desperately need a solution at 9 - the modern game demands a quality hooker for success.
Problem is that he is the size of a garden gnome and staying healthy is going to be hard for him.
I hope that he can stand up to the rigours of first grade, but have strong doubts.
Same height and weight as Cammy 'the gnome' Smith
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..

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Post by bp tiger » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 4:06 pm

well i thought that grub was not answer at 5/8 and he failed to change my mind. also thought brooks had a very quite game in attack. we seem to get into a one out hit up, and we go nowhere yet when we do spread the ball we look good. would love to see this side on the park

kev
thomo
masters
fonua
mmk
lolo
brooks
packer
grub
grant
chris
et
huth

twal
mats
chee
alolai

now kev played well there last year and in the world cup, he supports well and does read the game well . lolo played his best footy at 5/8 last year and grub will give the go forward we have lacked with ET at hooker.

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Post by goldcoast tiger » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 4:16 pm

Geo. wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 4:00 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 3:55 pm
voice of reason wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 3:15 pm
As a realist, I think our current ladder position is about right. The teams ahead are better than us and the teams behind are worse. With a touch of luck we could jag a final's spot and who knows from there.
There's little doubt we've been dudded a couple of times but aside from the frustration of constantly tight games, I've enjoyed being competitive in a season I thought we'd be doing much worse.
My sincere hope is that Liddle morphs into Damien Cook in the future (and I do think that's possible). We desperately need a solution at 9 - the modern game demands a quality hooker for success.
Problem is that he is the size of a garden gnome and staying healthy is going to be hard for him.
I hope that he can stand up to the rigours of first grade, but have strong doubts.
Same height and weight as Cammy 'the gnome' Smith
Certainly doesn’t look like he is, but if that’s a fact that’s fine,

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Post by Russell » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 4:18 pm

goldcoast tiger wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 3:55 pm
voice of reason wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 3:15 pm
As a realist, I think our current ladder position is about right. The teams ahead are better than us and the teams behind are worse. With a touch of luck we could jag a final's spot and who knows from there.
There's little doubt we've been dudded a couple of times but aside from the frustration of constantly tight games, I've enjoyed being competitive in a season I thought we'd be doing much worse.
My sincere hope is that Liddle morphs into Damien Cook in the future (and I do think that's possible). We desperately need a solution at 9 - the modern game demands a quality hooker for success.
Problem is that he is the size of a garden gnome and staying healthy is going to be hard for him.
I hope that he can stand up to the rigours of first grade, but have strong doubts.
Ok once and for all - let's get the facts.

Jacob Liddle is not little, by comparison looks like there are a few more gnomes around.

Jacob Liddle 21 y.o 184cm 91kg
Cameron Smith 34 y.o 185cm 90kg
Andrew McCulloch 28 y.o 180cm 90kg
Damien Cook 26 y.o 180cm 88kg

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Post by southerntiger » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 4:27 pm

We are where I expected us to be. In fact, we are doing better than I expected.

The problem is that many on here, after 2 wins this season, decided Cleary was some Master Coach (despite having a fairly mediocre win/loss %) who was going to get a pretty average side to the lofty heights of the NRL.

If we make the finals, I will be ecstatic. I expect us to just miss out, like we did with Taylor two seasons ago (with a squad that everyone agreed was a lot worse than this squad).

Does that mean we haven't progressed in two years? I don't know but it doesn't feel like it to me.

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Post by Harvey » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 4:48 pm

Russell wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 4:18 pm
goldcoast tiger wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 3:55 pm
voice of reason wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 3:15 pm
As a realist, I think our current ladder position is about right. The teams ahead are better than us and the teams behind are worse. With a touch of luck we could jag a final's spot and who knows from there.
There's little doubt we've been dudded a couple of times but aside from the frustration of constantly tight games, I've enjoyed being competitive in a season I thought we'd be doing much worse.
My sincere hope is that Liddle morphs into Damien Cook in the future (and I do think that's possible). We desperately need a solution at 9 - the modern game demands a quality hooker for success.
Problem is that he is the size of a garden gnome and staying healthy is going to be hard for him.
I hope that he can stand up to the rigours of first grade, but have strong doubts.
Ok once and for all - let's get the facts.

Jacob Liddle is not little, by comparison looks like there are a few more gnomes around.

Jacob Liddle 21 y.o 184cm 91kg
Cameron Smith 34 y.o 185cm 90kg
Andrew McCulloch 28 y.o 180cm 90kg
Damien Cook 26 y.o 180cm 88kg
Was he wearing platform shoes filled with lead?

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Post by TigerTone » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 5:17 pm

jadtiger wrote:
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:o The coach selecting players not on form ....There ARE options for fullback , and at least 3 other postions ...honestly watching some of these pretenders is agonising when there are replacements.. have a go coach!!!!! I thought the favourite selection policy ended with SHEENS!
You obviously didnt watch the love affair with JT and Lovett/Rankin it was male porn at its worst
You're forgetting Nathan Milone.
He was up there with the two you mentioned.

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Post by Telltails » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 5:19 pm

TYGA wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 2:40 pm
Telltails wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 1:22 pm
TYGA wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 12:54 pm
Telltails wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 8:32 am


Our highest paid front row do not look players that we need here for the long haul based on recent performances. (Matulino yesterday was decent)

Dont know if Packer is playing injured but they are not playing like an the enforcing front row that has the signs of much longevity.
Try taking hit ups off ET passes. It’s the hooker causing a drop in the metres for the forwards. Packer is obviously injured but he never was a 150 metre a game forward. He is a defensive anchor with a strong carry and quick play the ball. Packer, Mats, Twal are a good rotation it’s not our problem.
It’s so obvious the criticism of the front roe I think is unfounded.
So who is passing to Twal and Eisenhuth.?
Cop out - barring injury both need to contribute more as our supposed two top props - 4yrs worth?
Nonsense.

Twal is a beast but coming on against bench props. Eiso is a worker gets stats zero force behind his play. I just dont agree at all with your assessment.

They will be the cornerstone of what we do for the next 4 years. You think Cleary signed them because they are mugs.

Injury is playing its part but also running into Gallen, Fifita, RCG, Tampa, JWH, Napa, Klemmer/Woods in consecutive weeks. You also pay zero credit to defence and speed of the play the ball.
You just blamed the dummy half now you are making other excuses. They have been average at best and that is being very kind.
A fast play the ball is only effective if you carry the ball.
Matulino himself made an honest assessment of his current form which is not where he would like it to be.
I expect more from them, and if you think they are going well they shouldn't need any excuses for their recent performance.

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Post by jadtiger » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 5:25 pm

TigerTone wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 5:17 pm
jadtiger wrote:
Sun 10 Jun, 2018 4:10 pm
Snake wrote:
Sun 10 Jun, 2018 4:08 pm
:o The coach selecting players not on form ....There ARE options for fullback , and at least 3 other postions ...honestly watching some of these pretenders is agonising when there are replacements.. have a go coach!!!!! I thought the favourite selection policy ended with SHEENS!
You obviously didnt watch the love affair with JT and Lovett/Rankin it was male porn at its worst
You're forgetting Nathan Milone.
He was up there with the two you mentioned.
True

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Post by jirskyr » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 6:50 pm

I don't know about throwing away the season, but there does need to be a dose of reality for lots of fans.

This team was predicted by a lot of folks to run last, including some Tigers fans. We are 50% win rate and typically are beating the teams below us on the ladder (just two such losses). If we continue to win 50% of games, we'll finish with 12 wins, which will be our best season since 2011, ie best in 7 seasons. It may be enough for finals footy; 13 wins probably is.

We compete every game. Oppositions and opposing fans respect us this year, and every win over Tigers is a big deal to them now. Teams are nervous to play us, whereas we used to just fold under pressure.

Sure thing season could have been more, but it could also have been far worse, e.g. if we'd lost those games to Storm and Roosters.

I'm personally stoked to legitimately think we can win every match, even those matches when we get behind, because this team doesn't give up.

BUT we just flat out lack talent, Tui, fill-ins for Liddle, an aging Benji and injured Reynolds - pretty average spine. We have few match-winners and that makes it difficult in tight matches.

So be disappointed with the close losses and periods of ill-disciplined footy, but also recognise the transformation in this team. a team of nuff-nuffs really, hardly any of them envied by other clubs and hardly troubling rep footy selectors.

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Post by Russell » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 7:05 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 6:50 pm
I don't know about throwing away the season, but there does need to be a dose of reality for lots of fans.

This team was predicted by a lot of folks to run last, including some Tigers fans. We are 50% win rate and typically are beating the teams below us on the ladder (just two such losses). If we continue to win 50% of games, we'll finish with 12 wins, which will be our best season since 2011, ie best in 7 seasons. It may be enough for finals footy; 13 wins probably is.

We compete every game. Oppositions and opposing fans respect us this year, and every win over Tigers is a big deal to them now. Teams are nervous to play us, whereas we used to just fold under pressure.

Sure thing season could have been more, but it could also have been far worse, e.g. if we'd lost those games to Storm and Roosters.

I'm personally stoked to legitimately think we can win every match, even those matches when we get behind, because this team doesn't give up.

BUT we just flat out lack talent, Tui, fill-ins for Liddle, an aging Benji and injured Reynolds - pretty average spine. We have few match-winners and that makes it difficult in tight matches.

So be disappointed with the close losses and periods of ill-disciplined footy, but also recognise the transformation in this team. a team of nuff-nuffs really, hardly any of them envied by other clubs and hardly troubling rep footy selectors.
Good post as usual jirskyr - agree.

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Post by Geo. » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 7:23 pm

Soo content..mkay...
Wests Tigers don't need a Coach.. The playing group has taken over..

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Post by jadtiger » Mon 11 Jun, 2018 7:24 pm

jirskyr wrote:
Mon 11 Jun, 2018 6:50 pm
I don't know about throwing away the season, but there does need to be a dose of reality for lots of fans.

This team was predicted by a lot of folks to run last, including some Tigers fans. We are 50% win rate and typically are beating the teams below us on the ladder (just two such losses). If we continue to win 50% of games, we'll finish with 12 wins, which will be our best season since 2011, ie best in 7 seasons. It may be enough for finals footy; 13 wins probably is.

We compete every game. Oppositions and opposing fans respect us this year, and every win over Tigers is a big deal to them now. Teams are nervous to play us, whereas we used to just fold under pressure.

Sure thing season could have been more, but it could also have been far worse, e.g. if we'd lost those games to Storm and Roosters.

I'm personally stoked to legitimately think we can win every match, even those matches when we get behind, because this team doesn't give up.

BUT we just flat out lack talent, Tui, fill-ins for Liddle, an aging Benji and injured Reynolds - pretty average spine. We have few match-winners and that makes it difficult in tight matches.

So be disappointed with the close losses and periods of ill-disciplined footy, but also recognise the transformation in this team. a team of nuff-nuffs really, hardly any of them envied by other clubs and hardly troubling rep footy selectors.
Correct but unfortunately some supporters can only see negatives in our season.Progress as slow as it seems is being made

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