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Re: Forwards dominated

Post by Telltails » Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:15 pm

TYGA wrote:
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Tiger Steve wrote:
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Our front row was very effective early. Went to crap after 25-30 minute mark.
So..... Woods still a bad option?
I was out at Belmore yesterday Woods is a shadow of his former self. He looks and plays like a prop version of Tui. I feel sorry for him he is terrible.

We need to get a bulldozing prop/lock like Pangai Jr, Tukiahou that can get high output and impact. It would allow our props to play their natural game which is based on defence and fewer strong carries and quick play the balls.

Mats and Packer bed to demand the ball more and make more effort with their runs.
Agree about Woods yesterday. Given the circumstances the sooner he is out of there the better- and if doesnt happen not sure how he will find form. The uncertainty must be playing heavily, and it shows.
On our two both have a pass mark - but just.
Very concerned that if this is the best they can offer then we have made a bad investment - taking into account that a specialist DH will provide scope for all our forwards to benefit from better service.


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Post by Spud Murphy » Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:26 pm

Tiger Steve wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 9:58 pm
Telltails wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 9:56 pm
I thought Packer started great today and was far more domininant than Matulino, but we dont get enough from either of them.
They were so talked up as being far superior to what we had and quite frankly they, are not.
I think they are trying but we are still short of dominant forwards with or without Packer and Matulino, and we still have three more years of them.
They need to be playing longer minutes
Definitely need to be playing longer minutes. What the hell is wrong with them that they can't? They've been playing in the NRL for years and can still only manage half a game each. It's not good enough in the modern game.

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Post by Tiger Steve » Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:29 pm

Spud Murphy wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:26 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 9:58 pm
Telltails wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 9:56 pm
I thought Packer started great today and was far more domininant than Matulino, but we dont get enough from either of them.
They were so talked up as being far superior to what we had and quite frankly they, are not.
I think they are trying but we are still short of dominant forwards with or without Packer and Matulino, and we still have three more years of them.
They need to be playing longer minutes
Definitely need to be playing longer minutes. What the hell is wrong with them that they can't? They've been playing in the NRL for years and can still only manage half a game each. It's not good enough in the modern game.
Yeah I don’t get it at all. Apparently now it’s all scientific and optimal performance based on a certain time period is taken into account. In my day you just kept turning up for your mate, having a red hot crack - that was optimal performance!!
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Post by TYGA » Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:36 pm

Both props who I rate need to watch JWH performance on Friday night. One of the best I have seen in years demolished RCG/Merton/Fisher Harris.

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Post by cktiger » Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:38 pm

Tiger Steve wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:29 pm
Spud Murphy wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:26 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 9:58 pm
Telltails wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 9:56 pm
I thought Packer started great today and was far more domininant than Matulino, but we dont get enough from either of them.
They were so talked up as being far superior to what we had and quite frankly they, are not.
I think they are trying but we are still short of dominant forwards with or without Packer and Matulino, and we still have three more years of them.
They need to be playing longer minutes
Definitely need to be playing longer minutes. What the hell is wrong with them that they can't? They've been playing in the NRL for years and can still only manage half a game each. It's not good enough in the modern game.
Yeah I don’t get it at all. Apparently now it’s all scientific and optimal performance based on a certain time period is taken into account. In my day you just kept turning up for your mate, having a red hot crack - that was optimal performance!!
Today’s forwards are lucky they didn’t have to play when you were expected to punch out 80 minutes every week.


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Post by Tiger Steve » Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:40 pm

cktiger wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:38 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:29 pm
Spud Murphy wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:26 pm
Tiger Steve wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 9:58 pm

They need to be playing longer minutes
Definitely need to be playing longer minutes. What the hell is wrong with them that they can't? They've been playing in the NRL for years and can still only manage half a game each. It's not good enough in the modern game.
Yeah I don’t get it at all. Apparently now it’s all scientific and optimal performance based on a certain time period is taken into account. In my day you just kept turning up for your mate, having a red hot crack - that was optimal performance!!
Today’s forwards are lucky they didn’t have to play when you were expected to punch out 80 minutes every week.
And you had to cop being smashed in the head every scrum, every second tackle ...
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Post by steve-o » Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:47 pm

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Sun 17 Jun, 2018 9:31 pm
Our front row was solid for the first stint between them ran for 100+ metres and made 35 odd tackles. We led 12-4. The game was gone when they got back on.

Our forward pack needs bolstering big time. Packer, Mats, Lawrence, ET, Twal are very good but not great players. The drop off is huge to Eiso, Rochow, Aloai, MCK etc. ET has been bad this year but playing 9 looks like it’s killing his will to live.

Biggest issue we have is the 9 our forwards are being hit at the line due to slow service and Brooks has to be Tubby Taylor to pick the ball up off his laces every time.

No excuse for the disgraceful defensive display but Liddle has to play and stay at 9 for 80 if fit. Farah would be smart but Souths dumb if they release him as they could win a premiership.
Haha this is so true. Even Taylor (and the rest of the players for that matter) are getting sick of ET playing at 9 (yes, I realise MM was injured today and there wasn’t another option).
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Post by TCL » Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:48 pm

They are bigger pack. This and 9 are where we are losing our games.

Llook for two good back rowers. A decent bench prop as well.

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Post by Clifferd » Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:49 pm

TYGA wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:36 pm
Both props who I rate need to watch JWH performance on Friday night. One of the best I have seen in years demolished RCG/Merton/Fisher Harris.
JWH will play like that once maybe twice a year if lucky

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Post by TYGA » Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:49 pm

steve-o wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:47 pm
TYGA wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 9:31 pm
Our front row was solid for the first stint between them ran for 100+ metres and made 35 odd tackles. We led 12-4. The game was gone when they got back on.

Our forward pack needs bolstering big time. Packer, Mats, Lawrence, ET, Twal are very good but not great players. The drop off is huge to Eiso, Rochow, Aloai, MCK etc. ET has been bad this year but playing 9 looks like it’s killing his will to live.

Biggest issue we have is the 9 our forwards are being hit at the line due to slow service and Brooks has to be Tubby Taylor to pick the ball up off his laces every time.

No excuse for the disgraceful defensive display but Liddle has to play and stay at 9 for 80 if fit. Farah would be smart but Souths dumb if they release him as they could win a premiership.
Haha this is so true. Even Taylor (and the rest of the players for that matter) are getting sick of ET playing at 9 (yes, I realise MM for injured today and there wasn’t another option).
I’m not blaming Cleary at all the cupboard is bare. We need to sign a solid hooker for 2019 as Liddle can’t be relied on. If Fasah is available he has to be brought in to finish the year. At a minimum it may help heal some wounds and create a story line when the season is officially lost.

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Post by TIGER » Sun 17 Jun, 2018 11:22 pm

Clifferd wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 9:29 pm
formerguest wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 9:17 pm
Clifferd wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 9:14 pm
And to think Packer and Matulino were meant to be enforcers, we got better value out of Woods
We were well on top when Mats was interchanged.
I watched Mats closely today...he is deadset lazier than our worst signing Adam Blair

Packer was the reason we got on the front foot early but his 2nd stint was quiet, as was most of ours forwards apart from Rowdy
I've been watching Matulino closely since the rumour of us signing him, I've been watching him even more closely since he's been here (if you haven't noticed) and I can tell you one thing.
He's phoning it in!

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Post by Madgic » Mon 18 Jun, 2018 10:58 am

Geo. wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:05 pm
Nucky Thompson wrote:
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Twal is easily our best prop.
Rowdy is all heart and the rest of em are frauds.

Rowdy is a true tiger.. Deserves nothing but the best. All. Praise is due.
I didn't fully watch the second half and don't want to watch it.

Can anyone tell me the likely diagnoses on lawrence or what happened to him.

Taken out by friendly fire when he collected Packer's hip making a tackle out for the count..if we were playing next week I would say no chance as he has had a few concussions this year but should be right in a fortnight..walked off under his own steam..
Just about the only effective tackle Packer made? Couldn't watch for most of it! :o

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Post by Spacecub » Mon 18 Jun, 2018 2:26 pm

Clifferd wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:49 pm
TYGA wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:36 pm
Both props who I rate need to watch JWH performance on Friday night. One of the best I have seen in years demolished RCG/Merton/Fisher Harris.
JWH will play like that once maybe twice a year if lucky
Most kiwi forwards are a bit like santa see em once a year

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Post by Demps » Mon 18 Jun, 2018 2:39 pm

Spacecub wrote:
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 2:26 pm
Clifferd wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:49 pm
TYGA wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:36 pm
Both props who I rate need to watch JWH performance on Friday night. One of the best I have seen in years demolished RCG/Merton/Fisher Harris.
JWH will play like that once maybe twice a year if lucky
Most kiwi forwards are a bit like santa see em once a year
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Post by tonza » Mon 18 Jun, 2018 2:39 pm

TCL wrote:
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:48 pm
They are bigger pack. This and 9 are where we are losing our games.

Llook for two good back rowers. A decent bench prop as well.
I would like to see us get a decent centre so Marsters can partner Lawrence in the back row. Apart from Lawrence, our backrow packs no punch.

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Post by jirskyr » Mon 18 Jun, 2018 2:43 pm

I didn't actually think the forwards were dominated yesterday. Our go-forward was fine, it was the handling and bad options that invited Canberra back into the game, then our goal-line defence that allowed them to score, then all-out defence once they found their next gear and routed us.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 18 Jun, 2018 2:44 pm

Packer and Mats were good in their first stint. Losing Lawrence and MM was what killed us yesterday. ET was awful again with his passing out of DH (say what you want about MM but at least he can hit a chest with a pass,) and Lawrence was slicing the line at will combining well with Brooks until he collected friendly fire.
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Post by Nucky Thompson » Mon 18 Jun, 2018 10:01 pm

Watching replay brooks did not help the situation. Another crap half hy brooks. It was brooks of old. His going crap again

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