Ray Hadley & Co slam coach SHEENS strategies

User avatar
Jazza
Member
Member
Posts: 1980
Joined: Sat 11 Jul, 2009 1:38 am
Location: Glen Alpine

Re: Ray Hadley & Co slam coach SHEENS strategies

Post by Jazza » Sun 02 May, 2010 10:10 pm

Unfortunately all this talk about us being favoured with the interchanges dropping from 12 to 10 has turned into bull.

I think with the interchange at 10, the coaches dont like to use the extra player, by not playing that extra player it allows the coaches to rotate their forwards on a more regular basis.

This would be my forward pack and bench:

8. Galloway
9. Farah
10. Gibbs
11. Heighno
12. Ellis
13. Fulton

14. Payten
15. Fifita
16. Moors
17. Flanagan

Hypothetically:
25th minute
Galloway, Gibbs and Heighno off
Payten, Fifita and Moors on
(3 interchanges)

1/2 time
Fifita, Moors and Ellis off
Galloway, Gibbs and Flanagan on
(3 interchanges = 6 in total)

55th minute:
Galloway and Gibbs off
Heighno and Ellis on
(2 interchanges = 8 in total)

65th minute:
Flanagan and Payten off
Galloway and Gibbs on
(2 interchanges = 10 in total)

That equates to:
Ellis = 65 minutes
Galloway = 55 minutes
Gibbs = 55 minutes
Heighno = 50 minutes
Payten= 40 minutes
Flanagan = 25 minutes
Fifita = 15 minutes
Moors = 15 minutes

Obviously that can be worked around but I think thats a pretty reasonable example of how the forwards can get rest by playing 2 front rowers and 2 backrowers.
Last edited by Jazza on Sun 02 May, 2010 10:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Gee its grouse at hardware house!


User avatar
innsaneink
Member
Member
Posts: 27494
Joined: Fri 10 Jul, 2009 9:49 pm
Location: ...ahead of you....

Post by innsaneink » Sun 02 May, 2010 10:11 pm

alexaki wrote:Its my understanding our Assistant Coaches control the bench!
Nope.

User avatar
Spartan117
Member
Member
Posts: 5717
Joined: Wed 07 Oct, 2009 4:22 pm
Location: Picnic Point, Sydney

Post by Spartan117 » Sun 02 May, 2010 10:19 pm

zero credibility

Talking louder than someone doesnt make you right hadley...

Though sheep like it..

The Bench isnt the reason our Attack is going through a lull. When rob lui comes back in 2 weeks we will see a little more stability.

I will agree however Robby should have stayed at 9
UTT - Up The Tigers

User avatar
stryker
Member
Member
Posts: 10825
Joined: Sun 19 Jul, 2009 4:16 pm
Location: Cairns

Post by stryker » Sun 02 May, 2010 10:26 pm

Spartan117 wrote:zero credibility

Talking louder than someone doesnt make you right hadley...

Though sheep like it..

The Bench isnt the reason our Attack is going through a lull. When rob lui comes back in 2 weeks we will see a little more stability.

I will agree however Robby should have stayed at 9
Explain why you think this

tiga4eva
Member
Member
Posts: 2044
Joined: Sun 27 Sep, 2009 8:09 pm

Post by tiga4eva » Mon 03 May, 2010 4:20 am

What about the fact that we are not mentally tough enough to grind out wins. We have double the talent St.George have but 1/2 the ticker. They are WAY better coached.


Snake
Member
Member
Posts: 4799
Joined: Mon 13 Jul, 2009 5:37 pm

Post by Snake » Mon 03 May, 2010 7:38 am

alexaki wrote:Its my understanding our Assistant Coaches control the bench!
These assistant coaches have been in charge for 4.25 yrs of FAILURE

User avatar
citizen cub
Member
Member
Posts: 1050
Joined: Thu 16 Jul, 2009 7:20 pm

Post by citizen cub » Mon 03 May, 2010 8:08 am

Even with bad selections yesterday, we still should've won by about 30 with the amount of territory we had
With Wests in the finals, ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE

supercoach
Member
Member
Posts: 6808
Joined: Mon 13 Jul, 2009 2:38 pm

Post by supercoach » Mon 03 May, 2010 8:08 am

alexaki wrote:Its my understanding our Assistant Coaches control the bench!
If that the case sack them!!!

TigersFan4Life
Member
Member
Posts: 646
Joined: Mon 13 Jul, 2009 12:39 pm

Post by TigersFan4Life » Mon 03 May, 2010 9:26 am

Sheens was interviewed on the BSB this morning. I only caught the end of it and was wondering if TK questioned his bench strategy at all?

Thanks.

User avatar
smeghead
Site Moderator
Site Moderator
Posts: 9451
Joined: Fri 10 Jul, 2009 11:56 pm

Post by smeghead » Mon 03 May, 2010 9:33 am

Against a better team our bench would have been the reason we lost yesterday.

However our bench, as bad as it was, didn't lose us the game despite Brown having a nap for 80 and Waters playing as bog average as ever.

We lost because our play makers are just average and deviod of any ideas.

What I want to see happen one day on his 53rd run across the field calling forwards on countless pintless inside runs to either receive no ball or a hospital pass that someone detours and just bels him in the chops. Maybe than the lesson will sink in
Image

User avatar
beachtiger
Member
Member
Posts: 277
Joined: Mon 13 Jul, 2009 9:12 am
Location: Sunshine Coast

Post by beachtiger » Mon 03 May, 2010 9:49 am

innsaneink wrote:
stryker wrote:Yeah Tiger Heart, Hasler does the same thing and look at Manly....they get run down nearly every week because the boys are buggered.
Where did this new style of coaching come from? It's absolutely pathetic.
He learnt.

He used them all today, and guess what?

They hang on for a win
The other difference between Manly and TIgers is the overall size of the forwards and their ability to match it up front with most teams in the comp. Our boys give a lot away in size and so if they have to muscle up early then by the backend of the game they are struggling

User avatar
Balmain Bug
Member
Member
Posts: 2374
Joined: Sun 12 Jul, 2009 7:02 pm

Post by Balmain Bug » Mon 03 May, 2010 10:26 am

The assistant coaches DO NOT control the bench. It is a set routine with pre-scheduled changes and contingencies called by the Fonz as the game unfolds.
Wests Tigers colours are Black, White & Orange. Balmain are Black & Orange. Wests Tigers are not Balmain. Please take note Wests Tigers CEO.

User avatar
westTAHger
Member
Member
Posts: 4674
Joined: Mon 13 Jul, 2009 3:07 pm
Location: North of Hexham Bridge

Post by westTAHger » Mon 03 May, 2010 10:59 am

to who-ever controls the bench.
sort this mess out.
otherwise another season will slip away.
don't go blaming injuries
make the most of the talent you have available.
Image
Basil, our rescue dog, is wondering when wests tigers will win 25 - 18 :D

User avatar
Granto87
Member
Member
Posts: 681
Joined: Mon 12 Oct, 2009 3:13 pm

Post by Granto87 » Mon 03 May, 2010 11:04 am

westTAHger wrote:to who-ever controls the bench.
sort this mess out.
otherwise another season will slip away.
don't go blaming injuries
make the most of the talent you have available.

Mate agree and i hope we come good so you can have a drink this year :D Long time for you to wate!!

User avatar
Gobbs
Member
Member
Posts: 439
Joined: Mon 13 Jul, 2009 2:09 pm
Location: Prairiewood

Post by Gobbs » Mon 03 May, 2010 1:23 pm

No surprise Sheens dodged the press conference due to his national coaching commitments. I was surprised no journalist quizzed Simmons about Wests use of the interchange. My first question would have been "why were only 3 men used?" Following with a back up question of "And why is there a winger on the bench?" And to finish "Will you select either Lui or Taumata in a fortnight's time if both players are fit to fill the obvious void left by Moltzen?" It seems that Sheens' status as a four time premiership winning coach who is now the Australian coach escapes accountability when Wests Tigers need it most.
Still the Official #1 Kevin 'Buddha' McGuinness Supporter ©
Image

User avatar
cqtiger
Member
Member
Posts: 2489
Joined: Mon 13 Jul, 2009 2:34 pm
Location: Rockhampton QLD

Post by cqtiger » Mon 03 May, 2010 4:11 pm

Someone used the word "muppets" for those that don't agree with the current coach argument. I certainly don't agree with everything Sheens does but I am sure that he consults his senior staff and senior players about issues. So I can assume that most things have their blessing as I know that Robbie has been very vocal with missing the last few years finals. Why isn't Farah insisting that Taumata be the halfback? or play Lazarus there for a full game?

Blame Sheens all you like but the last 3 weeks have been pathetic as far as the "muppets" dropping the football. They won't win many games at all even if Moltzen et al were playing. I was disgusted with the performance yesterday and it had nothing at all to do with the bench or players out of position.

Muppets!
If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse
– Henry Ford

User avatar
Spartan117
Member
Member
Posts: 5717
Joined: Wed 07 Oct, 2009 4:22 pm
Location: Picnic Point, Sydney

Post by Spartan117 » Mon 03 May, 2010 4:32 pm

CQ - Its about dropping the ball when we are attacking => this leads to extra defencive work that kills us.
UTT - Up The Tigers

User avatar
Spartan117
Member
Member
Posts: 5717
Joined: Wed 07 Oct, 2009 4:22 pm
Location: Picnic Point, Sydney

Post by Spartan117 » Mon 03 May, 2010 4:33 pm

Spartan117 wrote:CQ is right - Its about dropping the ball when we are attacking => this leads to extra defencive work that kills us.
UTT - Up The Tigers

Post Reply