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Re: Fifita

Posted: Sat 23 Apr, 2011 7:24 pm
by willow
Vicious wrote:
hybrid_tiger wrote:That's because Sheens coached the hard running out of him. We are coached to surrender and not run hard.
I find that very hard to believe.
Galloway and Ellis certainly don't drop quick. Gibbs also showed a bit of leg drive last night, as did Woods.

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sat 23 Apr, 2011 8:27 pm
by hybrid_tiger
Sheens has made mention of this more than once.

We are coached to surrender in order to try and get a quick play the ball.

It worked in 2005...

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sat 23 Apr, 2011 8:31 pm
by fergiefurr
Farah on talking sport a few years back said they are coached to run at markers and also surrender in order to get quick play the balls. It was the one where he was in the studio for a few hours and fans called up to ask him questions.

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sat 23 Apr, 2011 8:42 pm
by smeghead
Surrendering works when you run as hard as Thaiday and trap the tackler under the ball. Not the way we do it

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sat 23 Apr, 2011 9:51 pm
by innsaneink
Not to mention refs dont reward dummy halves catching players or markers offside anymore, you can be sure the memo's gone out to the refs:- "Dummy Half Running Not Good For Our TV Product - Do Not Reward, Do Not Encourage, Discourage At Every Opportunity "

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sat 23 Apr, 2011 10:09 pm
by Vicious
hybrid_tiger wrote:Sheens has made mention of this more than once.

We are coached to surrender in order to try and get a quick play the ball.

It worked in 2005...
I think you`ll find you are way off the mark. You cannot blame a coach for players not committing to running and tackling hard.

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sat 23 Apr, 2011 10:25 pm
by Lukic
It's definitely the coaching. At no other team does every second hit-up turn out to be a run straight at the markers. Heighington and Fifita are becoming main culprits. It's good and all trying to get a quick play the ball, but when you run straight into the markers and make 3-4m only, the quick play the ball is nullified by the fact the defence hardly has to move back and can stay on the front rather than back foot. The sooner (if ever) Sheens cuts this out of the gameplan, the team will benefit greatly. It's all too common that as soon as we get a few good runs from Ellis, Galloway and Woods which make 8+m, a dud run from someone such as Heighington or Fulton ends up stunting the momentum and it allows the defence to regather.

In regards to Fifita solely, it really is a crying shame because Fifita has got all the talent to be a damaging prop/2nd rower. He's a tremendous athlete with great speed and strength, he's got the offload, he's got the fend but he's being used as a crash dummy into the markers. He's got to play out wider a bit (imo) and hit the line at speed and look for holes rather than players to run into. The way he's wasted now is terrible coach and whether it were a Tigers player or any other, it's just a disappointment that a lot of natural talent is being poorly used in that manner.

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sat 23 Apr, 2011 10:34 pm
by Spartan117
his defence and attitude is out of sight on 2011.

Im very happy.

attack will click again soon

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sat 23 Apr, 2011 11:34 pm
by hybrid_tiger
Vicious wrote:
hybrid_tiger wrote:Sheens has made mention of this more than once.

We are coached to surrender in order to try and get a quick play the ball.

It worked in 2005...
I think you`ll find you are way off the mark. You cannot blame a coach for players not committing to running and tackling hard.
That's the way they are coached to play.

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sun 24 Apr, 2011 9:25 am
by tiger05
Vicious wrote:
hybrid_tiger wrote:Sheens has made mention of this more than once.

We are coached to surrender in order to try and get a quick play the ball.

It worked in 2005...
I think you`ll find you are way off the mark. You cannot blame a coach for players not committing to running and tackling hard.
I am no Sheens fanboy but seriously some of the comments directed against him are just plain dumb. You'd think posters were trolling but I think they're serious.

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sun 24 Apr, 2011 9:37 am
by hybrid_tiger
If you like I will try and find the interview where it was mentioned by Farah. Call me dumb all you like...it's true. Bit rich given you think Moltzen is our best option at fullback :lol:

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sun 24 Apr, 2011 9:39 am
by hybrid_tiger
Also if you don't think we are coached to run at the markers, you clearly haven't watched us play in the last five years.

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sun 24 Apr, 2011 9:50 am
by tiger05
Lets just try this scenario out. I am Gareth Ellis - an international footballer and one of the best 2nd rowers in the game period. I come to Australia to test myself and my coach tells to me to run the ball back softly softly so I don't hurt anyone. What would I do ?

I mean seriously Sheens knows we need to out muscle the opposition.

As for Moltzen - the haters didn't see his two tries on Friday night. Speed to burn, the ability to put his body on the line and run the right lines. Add to that he made some good covering tackles and took some bombs. I recognize he needs time to learn his trade and he might not get there but it is worth a shot.

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sun 24 Apr, 2011 10:14 am
by hybrid_tiger
Why does Ellis now, like Heighington, run straight into the markers? Ask yourself that.

As for Moltzen - nobody hates him. And the fact he scored two tries, one of which was the easiest you will ever see (three on one situation) should not overlook his many other glaring deficiencies at fullback.

It is not "worth a shot" playing someone out of position when he is costing us points every game because he can't contest a bomb, or costing us valuable metres because he walks back from kick returns, or tries to palm it off to a winger because he doesn't want to get tackled. Simple as that.

We have a very able fullback replacement in Brown, who had a excellent end to the year last season at the back. He should be playing fullback if McKinnon is unavailable. He hits the line hard and fast, is good under the high ball and most importantly is a natural fullback who is willing to put his body on the line.

Re: Fifita

Posted: Sun 24 Apr, 2011 10:24 am
by innsaneink
Haha...worth a shot.
The seasons slipping away already, some fools here seem to think the likes of brisbane, melbourne and the dragons will wait around for us while we sort out our s***.
LMAO!