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Post by Yossarian » Mon 14 May, 2018 4:50 pm

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Yeah Freeman was forced out to accommodate Smith. Jones being Jones he had his favourites and guys like Freeman and Jack (voluntarily got forced out).

What happened? The club was never wealthy but Barnes was an effective administrator. 89 we should have won the comp, 90 we made the finals. Then Jones comes in. 91 we don't win a game for the first 7 or so rounds. After that we got going but it was too late. 92 and 93 the Jones effect hits. He can't coach a RL team and it shows. His tactics are poor, his game knowledge non-existence. The team effectively coached itself. 94 he's replaced by Junior. All Jones' favourites go and most of the old guard have retired or moved on. Only Siro and Jack returning from England. 94 we run last and never had the cash to turn to around. Keep in mind the comp goes to 20 teams so it's harder to get talent with new clubs spending money. Then Super Lesgue hits and it's downhill until the JV.
The move to Parra?
Sydney Tigers?
I rememeber a lot of talk bout the game having to grow from a suburban comp to a national one, Roosters also changed their name.....the purple stripe?
Was that purely an attempt to improve crowds? Improve fianances? I think there was just some premier league soccer being played at LO during this time?
I recall a lot of worry in the comp...Newtown had been punted, Wests had to move, Norths had their issues..Canberra Knights & Illawarra were added. Things were changing all the time even though these issues were spread over a number of years...lots of clubs were worried.
I rememeber hating all the change...the comp I knew when i started following in the 70s was changing rapidly...lost interest a lot
The Sydney Tigers thing was a reaction to the downtown. They flirted with Gosford at one point but the local league people didn't want to know about it. Played some games in Melbourne at one point which was a fizzer. Then came the name and venue change
The idea was to appeal to a wider base than the inner west. Bulldogs changed to Sydney Bulldogs, Roosters changed their name. All it really did was alienate existing fans and add no fans. Parra Stadium never felt like home - you felt like an outsider at home games. Combined with a terrible jumper, theme song and the name change it was too much. The JV was less dislocating!
Yeah Sydney Olympic played there. By the time of SL we were back at Leichhardt.


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Post by mctiger » Mon 14 May, 2018 4:58 pm

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This thread has got me thinking. We were in 88 and 89 grandfinals. I assume this would have been good for profitability. How did we go from that to close to broke in under 5 years??
I don't think that the Leagues Club was ever that profitable and when the casino opened in the late 90's it had an impact on them. I recall talking to the Leagues Club CEO around that time that said that for poker machine prizes over $1000 the club needed to pay by cheque but the customer could talk it to the casino and cash it and play there.

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Post by Yossarian » Mon 14 May, 2018 5:02 pm

jirskyr wrote:
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Yossarian wrote:
Sun 13 May, 2018 10:18 pm
Yeah Freeman was forced out to accommodate Smith. Jones being Jones he had his favourites and guys like Freeman and Jack (voluntarily got forced out).

What happened? The club was never wealthy but Barnes was an effective administrator. 89 we should have won the comp, 90 we made the finals. Then Jones comes in. 91 we don't win a game for the first 7 or so rounds. After that we got going but it was too late. 92 and 93 the Jones effect hits. He can't coach a RL team and it shows. His tactics are poor, his game knowledge non-existence. The team effectively coached itself. 94 he's replaced by Junior. All Jones' favourites go and most of the old guard have retired or moved on. Only Siro and Jack returning from England. 94 we run last and never had the cash to turn to around. Keep in mind the comp goes to 20 teams so it's harder to get talent with new clubs spending money. Then Super Lesgue hits and it's downhill until the JV.
Good account.

Tigers may have had a star pack in the late 80s, but the club wasn't able to bring in new stars in the 90s as the older guys started winding up. Junior Pearce was replaced in 1991 by John Elias. 93 had Blocker in 93 by Derek McVey and Garry Jack by Morvin Edwards; Mark Geyer that year totally did not work out. Elias retired in 1994 and was replaced by Stephen Scahill (who? indeed).

We were already last in 1994 and then the ARL introduces 4 new sides.

I can't clearly recall the strategies of Alan Jones, I was only a teenager, but I remember clearly the gradual attrition of star players. I remember running out some really really ordinary teams, and the odd Paul Sironen-class player wasn't going to change the result against star-studded teams like Broncos.

I also remember in 1997 when they were talking about re-merging the two league comps, and there was an account in the paper about what each team had to offer the new NRL, because they had to cut teams. For Balmain, the only positives were Tim Brasher and Leichhardt Oval - and that was the same year he mucked about with his contract and ended up going to Souths.

Panthers had a similar sort of problem, from 1st to 9th 91-92, then only making 1 finals in the following 7 years. Raiders on the other hand won in 94 and were able to rotate in pretty good replacements for their retiring stars. I think it helped a lot to be a dominant team in that period 94-96, when all the best players and sides got the preferences, and all the poor teams stayed with the ARL, playing with ordinary players and a half-arsed comp at the bottom end.
Elias was supposed to be replaced by Michael Brown (this is straining my memory) who was his understudy for years but when the spot opened up he couldn't cut it.

Jack was a simple replacement by Brasher. My memory of Morvin Edwards is him being an ordinary Kiwi who'd occasionally play 5/8.

John Elias was there in the 80s I think. He was half decent. Good footwork.

Spot on with Brasher. He stuffed around and the contract pulled. But we had Shannon Nevin coming in and he was just as good right?!!

Then there was Steve Edmed who just couldn't step up without the support.

Jones was an idiot. His only idea was running the ball. The side wasn't as good but a decent coach could have made the finals.

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Post by mctiger » Mon 14 May, 2018 5:03 pm

As for what happened to them like others have suggested the recruitment was poor. They were never really a club to buy stars from other clubs but mostly grew their own (juniors, country players, fringe first graders etc) and when the new batch came through they just weren't up to it (Michael Brown was to follow on from Elias but his defence was poor so never really made it. ).

I think it was Warren Ryan that said that the orange (or lemon) had been squeezed dry and he couldn't get more out of them. Hence Jones came in and yes, he worked for nothing.

If you get the chance, and are interested look, for a book titled "Something More Than Victory" where a guy called Adrian Zupp follows Jones around during the first year and lists how it all went from the strategy to the speeches. I reckon it would be motivating to be coached by Jones initially but how long would all the talk last for.

Jones was all talk and played favourites hence he got rid on Freeman for Brian Smith and by all accounts some loved him because he gets involved in their lives and helps them off field and some would hate him because of who he is.

As for Jones and Balmain I think it is all summed up in this article by Peter FitzSimons when the Robbie Farah drama was going on....

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/why-al ... jd87s.html

In terms of Clark I recall being at a game at Leichhardt and the other team got a penalty and kicked for touch on his wing but it was a poor kick and Clark could have stopped it going into touch but because he didn't know the rules he let it go. If you can't get the basics right.....

The move to Parra Stadium and the purple strip on the Sydney Tigers jersey was a way of increasing their market. It was suggested that almost two thirds of fans that went to Leichhardt Oval actually drove past Parra Stadium so in theory it should have been better with improved facilities parking etc. Crowds were down and we were no good at the time.

The move back to Leichhardt was very popular (as it is today).

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Post by Yossarian » Mon 14 May, 2018 5:17 pm

mctiger wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 4:58 pm
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Mon 14 May, 2018 2:27 pm
This thread has got me thinking. We were in 88 and 89 grandfinals. I assume this would have been good for profitability. How did we go from that to close to broke in under 5 years??
I don't think that the Leagues Club was ever that profitable and when the casino opened in the late 90's it had an impact on them. I recall talking to the Leagues Club CEO around that time that said that for poker machine prizes over $1000 the club needed to pay by cheque but the customer could talk it to the casino and cash it and play there.
The Leagues club was profitable. Not as profitable as other clubs but it still generated a profit. I don't recall them ever not paying a grant. The casino was bad for business though.


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Post by LeichhardtTiger » Mon 14 May, 2018 5:34 pm

"The move to Parra Stadium and the purple strip on the Sydney Tigers jersey was a way of increasing their market. It was suggested that almost two thirds of fans that went to Leichhardt Oval actually drove past Parra Stadium so in theory it should have been better with improved facilities parking etc. Crowds were down and we were no good at the time".

My mate & I got season tickets in the Eastern Stand - we picked seats equivalent to our spot on the Hill at LO. There weren't many people which was good cos we never had to line up for beers. So, 1st Game Season 2, we go to the bar for a beer & The barman remembered us from Season 1. He said to his co-worker "Have a look at these guys. Sorry to say this pal, but they'll be here right thru the season but even they can't justify me paying you once the Tigers season collapses again!"
There are two kinds of people in the world - those that live in Balmain and those that wished they did.

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Post by jadtiger » Mon 14 May, 2018 5:58 pm

Alan Jones was a total disaster, he had zero idea about league and wasnt prepared to listen.He kicked Freeman out of the club by playing him in reggies and bringing in a union half Brian Smith who couldnt organise to save his life but could kick the ball deep.He is the only coach i knew in my 50 years of supporting Balmain as being a coach i disliked.The move to parra was not a good one and was resented by the majority of the supporter base.
The casino was another problem but was totally out of the clubs hands.They were tough years.

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Post by jirskyr » Mon 14 May, 2018 8:32 pm

Yossarian wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 5:02 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 9:40 am
Yossarian wrote:
Sun 13 May, 2018 10:18 pm
Yeah Freeman was forced out to accommodate Smith. Jones being Jones he had his favourites and guys like Freeman and Jack (voluntarily got forced out).

What happened? The club was never wealthy but Barnes was an effective administrator. 89 we should have won the comp, 90 we made the finals. Then Jones comes in. 91 we don't win a game for the first 7 or so rounds. After that we got going but it was too late. 92 and 93 the Jones effect hits. He can't coach a RL team and it shows. His tactics are poor, his game knowledge non-existence. The team effectively coached itself. 94 he's replaced by Junior. All Jones' favourites go and most of the old guard have retired or moved on. Only Siro and Jack returning from England. 94 we run last and never had the cash to turn to around. Keep in mind the comp goes to 20 teams so it's harder to get talent with new clubs spending money. Then Super Lesgue hits and it's downhill until the JV.
Good account.

Tigers may have had a star pack in the late 80s, but the club wasn't able to bring in new stars in the 90s as the older guys started winding up. Junior Pearce was replaced in 1991 by John Elias. 93 had Blocker in 93 by Derek McVey and Garry Jack by Morvin Edwards; Mark Geyer that year totally did not work out. Elias retired in 1994 and was replaced by Stephen Scahill (who? indeed).

We were already last in 1994 and then the ARL introduces 4 new sides.

I can't clearly recall the strategies of Alan Jones, I was only a teenager, but I remember clearly the gradual attrition of star players. I remember running out some really really ordinary teams, and the odd Paul Sironen-class player wasn't going to change the result against star-studded teams like Broncos.

I also remember in 1997 when they were talking about re-merging the two league comps, and there was an account in the paper about what each team had to offer the new NRL, because they had to cut teams. For Balmain, the only positives were Tim Brasher and Leichhardt Oval - and that was the same year he mucked about with his contract and ended up going to Souths.

Panthers had a similar sort of problem, from 1st to 9th 91-92, then only making 1 finals in the following 7 years. Raiders on the other hand won in 94 and were able to rotate in pretty good replacements for their retiring stars. I think it helped a lot to be a dominant team in that period 94-96, when all the best players and sides got the preferences, and all the poor teams stayed with the ARL, playing with ordinary players and a half-arsed comp at the bottom end.
Elias was supposed to be replaced by Michael Brown (this is straining my memory) who was his understudy for years but when the spot opened up he couldn't cut it.

Jack was a simple replacement by Brasher. My memory of Morvin Edwards is him being an ordinary Kiwi who'd occasionally play 5/8.

John Elias was there in the 80s I think. He was half decent. Good footwork.

Spot on with Brasher. He stuffed around and the contract pulled. But we had Shannon Nevin coming in and he was just as good right?!!

Then there was Steve Edmed who just couldn't step up without the support.

Jones was an idiot. His only idea was running the ball. The side wasn't as good but a decent coach could have made the finals.
Yeah Michael Brown didn't cut it, I remember there being high hopes. He even had the same taped head as Benny. It was weird for me being a young teenager, because the side was really quite good, and I expected it to always be so, expected there to always be stars.

Then one by one they all retired or moved on, until suddenly it's 1994 and we are the worst team in the comp. That's how I still don't entirely get the expectations and entitlement of some Wests Tigers fans, because bottom line is I love the team and through that football passion I experience the highs and lows, but bottom line is I'm happy enough with a team that competes every week and makes me proud, even if they don't bring home all the trophies. Balmain were sooooo bad for basically 10 years, I take nothing from the Wests Tigers for granted.

Re Brasher, yeah he replaced Jack, but who replaced Brasher? There were all these nuffies like Edwards, David Bayssari, Jamie Corcoran, Graham Lyons, Wes Patten, Nathan Wood etc. Some of them had decently long careers, but just weren't at the level needed to keep the side at the top. Marty Masella cleans houses now, but I think he's doing fairly well for himself with his cleaning business, met him a few times.

Then Will Robinson and Jacin Sinclair - I thought these blokes were going to be the real deal, and esp Jacin Sinclair I thought he was going to play lots of rep footy, but just didn't work out, injuries and off-field playing a part. Funny how many of these blokes also ended up at Souths, we seemed to keep trading average footballers.

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Post by Telltails » Mon 14 May, 2018 8:41 pm

Jacin Sinclair was one of Jones favourites. Had so much ability but another one that just didnt reach the heights.and sadly things off the field were also challenging
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Post by Tigerdave » Mon 14 May, 2018 9:59 pm

Yep Alan Jones, killed us. He replaced Wiz with that Rugby Union half and tried to change the style of play from memory, wanted it to be more expansive.

Losing the '89 grand final didn't help either and it took a lot of wind out of the sails. We just made the finals in 1990, but losing 16-0 to Manly was a sad way to finish an era.

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Post by Yossarian » Tue 15 May, 2018 12:32 am

jirskyr wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 8:32 pm
Yossarian wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 5:02 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 9:40 am
Yossarian wrote:
Sun 13 May, 2018 10:18 pm
Yeah Freeman was forced out to accommodate Smith. Jones being Jones he had his favourites and guys like Freeman and Jack (voluntarily got forced out).

What happened? The club was never wealthy but Barnes was an effective administrator. 89 we should have won the comp, 90 we made the finals. Then Jones comes in. 91 we don't win a game for the first 7 or so rounds. After that we got going but it was too late. 92 and 93 the Jones effect hits. He can't coach a RL team and it shows. His tactics are poor, his game knowledge non-existence. The team effectively coached itself. 94 he's replaced by Junior. All Jones' favourites go and most of the old guard have retired or moved on. Only Siro and Jack returning from England. 94 we run last and never had the cash to turn to around. Keep in mind the comp goes to 20 teams so it's harder to get talent with new clubs spending money. Then Super Lesgue hits and it's downhill until the JV.
Good account.

Tigers may have had a star pack in the late 80s, but the club wasn't able to bring in new stars in the 90s as the older guys started winding up. Junior Pearce was replaced in 1991 by John Elias. 93 had Blocker in 93 by Derek McVey and Garry Jack by Morvin Edwards; Mark Geyer that year totally did not work out. Elias retired in 1994 and was replaced by Stephen Scahill (who? indeed).

We were already last in 1994 and then the ARL introduces 4 new sides.

I can't clearly recall the strategies of Alan Jones, I was only a teenager, but I remember clearly the gradual attrition of star players. I remember running out some really really ordinary teams, and the odd Paul Sironen-class player wasn't going to change the result against star-studded teams like Broncos.

I also remember in 1997 when they were talking about re-merging the two league comps, and there was an account in the paper about what each team had to offer the new NRL, because they had to cut teams. For Balmain, the only positives were Tim Brasher and Leichhardt Oval - and that was the same year he mucked about with his contract and ended up going to Souths.

Panthers had a similar sort of problem, from 1st to 9th 91-92, then only making 1 finals in the following 7 years. Raiders on the other hand won in 94 and were able to rotate in pretty good replacements for their retiring stars. I think it helped a lot to be a dominant team in that period 94-96, when all the best players and sides got the preferences, and all the poor teams stayed with the ARL, playing with ordinary players and a half-arsed comp at the bottom end.
Elias was supposed to be replaced by Michael Brown (this is straining my memory) who was his understudy for years but when the spot opened up he couldn't cut it.

Jack was a simple replacement by Brasher. My memory of Morvin Edwards is him being an ordinary Kiwi who'd occasionally play 5/8.

John Elias was there in the 80s I think. He was half decent. Good footwork.

Spot on with Brasher. He stuffed around and the contract pulled. But we had Shannon Nevin coming in and he was just as good right?!!

Then there was Steve Edmed who just couldn't step up without the support.

Jones was an idiot. His only idea was running the ball. The side wasn't as good but a decent coach could have made the finals.
Yeah Michael Brown didn't cut it, I remember there being high hopes. He even had the same taped head as Benny. It was weird for me being a young teenager, because the side was really quite good, and I expected it to always be so, expected there to always be stars.

Then one by one they all retired or moved on, until suddenly it's 1994 and we are the worst team in the comp. That's how I still don't entirely get the expectations and entitlement of some Wests Tigers fans, because bottom line is I love the team and through that football passion I experience the highs and lows, but bottom line is I'm happy enough with a team that competes every week and makes me proud, even if they don't bring home all the trophies. Balmain were sooooo bad for basically 10 years, I take nothing from the Wests Tigers for granted.

Re Brasher, yeah he replaced Jack, but who replaced Brasher? There were all these nuffies like Edwards, David Bayssari, Jamie Corcoran, Graham Lyons, Wes Patten, Nathan Wood etc. Some of them had decently long careers, but just weren't at the level needed to keep the side at the top. Marty Masella cleans houses now, but I think he's doing fairly well for himself with his cleaning business, met him a few times.

Then Will Robinson and Jacin Sinclair - I thought these blokes were going to be the real deal, and esp Jacin Sinclair I thought he was going to play lots of rep footy, but just didn't work out, injuries and off-field playing a part. Funny how many of these blokes also ended up at Souths, we seemed to keep trading average footballers.
Shannon Nevin replaced Brasher which, at the time, seem like a decent outcome. He didn't live up to expectations.

The guys you name were decent enough toilers but just didn't have that X factor.

1994 was the pits. I remember taking a friend from interstate to see us play Manly at LO. Lost 0-30 something at Manly didn't play well. I still remember winning a scrum then someone throwing a pass to nobody then two players staring at the ball for an eternity and a Manly player diving on it. It was an awful year and I guess equivalent to the late 90s Magpies.

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Post by GNR4LIFE » Wed 16 May, 2018 7:06 pm

Yossarian wrote:
Tue 15 May, 2018 12:32 am
jirskyr wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 8:32 pm
Yossarian wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 5:02 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 9:40 am

Good account.

Tigers may have had a star pack in the late 80s, but the club wasn't able to bring in new stars in the 90s as the older guys started winding up. Junior Pearce was replaced in 1991 by John Elias. 93 had Blocker in 93 by Derek McVey and Garry Jack by Morvin Edwards; Mark Geyer that year totally did not work out. Elias retired in 1994 and was replaced by Stephen Scahill (who? indeed).

We were already last in 1994 and then the ARL introduces 4 new sides.

I can't clearly recall the strategies of Alan Jones, I was only a teenager, but I remember clearly the gradual attrition of star players. I remember running out some really really ordinary teams, and the odd Paul Sironen-class player wasn't going to change the result against star-studded teams like Broncos.

I also remember in 1997 when they were talking about re-merging the two league comps, and there was an account in the paper about what each team had to offer the new NRL, because they had to cut teams. For Balmain, the only positives were Tim Brasher and Leichhardt Oval - and that was the same year he mucked about with his contract and ended up going to Souths.

Panthers had a similar sort of problem, from 1st to 9th 91-92, then only making 1 finals in the following 7 years. Raiders on the other hand won in 94 and were able to rotate in pretty good replacements for their retiring stars. I think it helped a lot to be a dominant team in that period 94-96, when all the best players and sides got the preferences, and all the poor teams stayed with the ARL, playing with ordinary players and a half-arsed comp at the bottom end.
Elias was supposed to be replaced by Michael Brown (this is straining my memory) who was his understudy for years but when the spot opened up he couldn't cut it.

Jack was a simple replacement by Brasher. My memory of Morvin Edwards is him being an ordinary Kiwi who'd occasionally play 5/8.

John Elias was there in the 80s I think. He was half decent. Good footwork.

Spot on with Brasher. He stuffed around and the contract pulled. But we had Shannon Nevin coming in and he was just as good right?!!

Then there was Steve Edmed who just couldn't step up without the support.

Jones was an idiot. His only idea was running the ball. The side wasn't as good but a decent coach could have made the finals.
Yeah Michael Brown didn't cut it, I remember there being high hopes. He even had the same taped head as Benny. It was weird for me being a young teenager, because the side was really quite good, and I expected it to always be so, expected there to always be stars.

Then one by one they all retired or moved on, until suddenly it's 1994 and we are the worst team in the comp. That's how I still don't entirely get the expectations and entitlement of some Wests Tigers fans, because bottom line is I love the team and through that football passion I experience the highs and lows, but bottom line is I'm happy enough with a team that competes every week and makes me proud, even if they don't bring home all the trophies. Balmain were sooooo bad for basically 10 years, I take nothing from the Wests Tigers for granted.

Re Brasher, yeah he replaced Jack, but who replaced Brasher? There were all these nuffies like Edwards, David Bayssari, Jamie Corcoran, Graham Lyons, Wes Patten, Nathan Wood etc. Some of them had decently long careers, but just weren't at the level needed to keep the side at the top. Marty Masella cleans houses now, but I think he's doing fairly well for himself with his cleaning business, met him a few times.

Then Will Robinson and Jacin Sinclair - I thought these blokes were going to be the real deal, and esp Jacin Sinclair I thought he was going to play lots of rep footy, but just didn't work out, injuries and off-field playing a part. Funny how many of these blokes also ended up at Souths, we seemed to keep trading average footballers.
Shannon Nevin replaced Brasher which, at the time, seem like a decent outcome. He didn't live up to expectations.

The guys you name were decent enough toilers but just didn't have that X factor.

1994 was the pits. I remember taking a friend from interstate to see us play Manly at LO. Lost 0-30 something at Manly didn't play well. I still remember winning a scrum then someone throwing a pass to nobody then two players staring at the ball for an eternity and a Manly player diving on it. It was an awful year and I guess equivalent to the late 90s Magpies.
I know he never played, but did Nevin get a WT's contract? He was only 24 in 2000.

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Post by jadtiger » Wed 16 May, 2018 7:50 pm

Just saw 'Buckets" on league life interviewed, Kerry was always a fan favourite and as tough as old boots.He still looks the part now and interviewed well

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Post by happy tiger » Wed 16 May, 2018 9:49 pm

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Just saw 'Buckets" on league life interviewed, Kerry was always a fan favourite and as tough as old boots.He still looks the part now and interviewed well
Loved his pick up line

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Post by Yossarian » Wed 16 May, 2018 10:02 pm

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Wed 16 May, 2018 7:06 pm
Yossarian wrote:
Tue 15 May, 2018 12:32 am
jirskyr wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 8:32 pm
Yossarian wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 5:02 pm


Elias was supposed to be replaced by Michael Brown (this is straining my memory) who was his understudy for years but when the spot opened up he couldn't cut it.

Jack was a simple replacement by Brasher. My memory of Morvin Edwards is him being an ordinary Kiwi who'd occasionally play 5/8.

John Elias was there in the 80s I think. He was half decent. Good footwork.

Spot on with Brasher. He stuffed around and the contract pulled. But we had Shannon Nevin coming in and he was just as good right?!!

Then there was Steve Edmed who just couldn't step up without the support.

Jones was an idiot. His only idea was running the ball. The side wasn't as good but a decent coach could have made the finals.
Yeah Michael Brown didn't cut it, I remember there being high hopes. He even had the same taped head as Benny. It was weird for me being a young teenager, because the side was really quite good, and I expected it to always be so, expected there to always be stars.

Then one by one they all retired or moved on, until suddenly it's 1994 and we are the worst team in the comp. That's how I still don't entirely get the expectations and entitlement of some Wests Tigers fans, because bottom line is I love the team and through that football passion I experience the highs and lows, but bottom line is I'm happy enough with a team that competes every week and makes me proud, even if they don't bring home all the trophies. Balmain were sooooo bad for basically 10 years, I take nothing from the Wests Tigers for granted.

Re Brasher, yeah he replaced Jack, but who replaced Brasher? There were all these nuffies like Edwards, David Bayssari, Jamie Corcoran, Graham Lyons, Wes Patten, Nathan Wood etc. Some of them had decently long careers, but just weren't at the level needed to keep the side at the top. Marty Masella cleans houses now, but I think he's doing fairly well for himself with his cleaning business, met him a few times.

Then Will Robinson and Jacin Sinclair - I thought these blokes were going to be the real deal, and esp Jacin Sinclair I thought he was going to play lots of rep footy, but just didn't work out, injuries and off-field playing a part. Funny how many of these blokes also ended up at Souths, we seemed to keep trading average footballers.
Shannon Nevin replaced Brasher which, at the time, seem like a decent outcome. He didn't live up to expectations.

The guys you name were decent enough toilers but just didn't have that X factor.

1994 was the pits. I remember taking a friend from interstate to see us play Manly at LO. Lost 0-30 something at Manly didn't play well. I still remember winning a scrum then someone throwing a pass to nobody then two players staring at the ball for an eternity and a Manly player diving on it. It was an awful year and I guess equivalent to the late 90s Magpies.
I know he never played, but did Nevin get a WT's contract? He was only 24 in 2000.
No I don't think he was offered a WT contract. He came to Balmain as a bit of a top player in the making. He'd just played a grand final, he kicked goals. But he was pretty crappy at the Tigers and you're the time of the JV he was out of favour. We signed Seers and Caine and Nevin was never heard of again!

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Post by Joel_Caine_Fan_82 » Wed 16 May, 2018 11:05 pm

Tigertail wrote:
Sun 13 May, 2018 10:43 pm
When Jones took on the Balmain Tigers, he still had alot of experienced and talented players. By the time Pearce took on the coaching role at the Tigers, he had to rebuild. He still had Siro, Benny, and Jack returned, however they were in their twilight. In fact in the late nineties he had a promising young forward pack. When they formed the West Tigers, the majority of the team was Balmain. Innitially they did well, unfortunately they lost their captain McCracken in a horrific injury.
the late 90s forward pack is still one of my fave forward packs with the likes of siro,oneil,walker,stimpson,starr,morrison,senter
than later on we got lowrie,smith and HAUMONO who i remember being a crowd fave with those massive runs

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Post by Joel_Caine_Fan_82 » Wed 16 May, 2018 11:08 pm

Nevin didnt even play 1st grade again anywhere

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Post by formerguest » Thu 17 May, 2018 12:23 am

jadtiger wrote:
Wed 16 May, 2018 7:50 pm
Just saw 'Buckets" on league life interviewed, Kerry was always a fan favourite and as tough as old boots.He still looks the part now and interviewed well
Yeah, caught the show as well. Always got along with him. Had a number of good yarns and an occasional drink with Kerry over the years, but have not seen him for a dozen or so years

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