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Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Sat 04 Aug, 2018 6:40 pm
by Fade To Black
851 wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 11:46 am
LeichhardtTiger wrote:
Sun 13 May, 2018 10:10 pm
http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/teams ... aches.html

Balmain in the 90's
Jones was at the Tigers 91-93 36.4% win rate
Junior Pearce was there from 94-99 36% win rate


http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/teams ... aches.html

Tim Sheens 48.8% win rate

http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/teams ... aches.html

Magpies In the 90's
Raudonikas 33.6%
Warren Ryan 44%

Warren Ryan at Balmain 89-90 65.8%

Jones was 3% better than Tommy R

Pearce "improved" to 42.3% as Westsigers coach 2nd only to Sheens - Cleary is at 41.4%

Stats c/- http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/ Great effort by them!
Junior was a great player, but a crap coach, how he got the gig for the first WestsTigers season has always baffled and annoyed me.
Junior had WT in the top 4 for a big chunk of 2000, we fell apart when McCracken busted his neck and a few other blokes got injured. Junior also coached the NSW team that same year and they whitewashed QLD 3-0. IMO he wasn't too bad as a coach when he had some decent players to work with.

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Mon 13 Aug, 2018 4:04 pm
by Oggy
I was a Balmain fan in the mid 80s (they were crap just before then too) 1991 was the year it all started to go downhill Alan Jones brought in guys like Will Robinson and Rugby Players and didn't coach the team told them to go out and throw it around and have fun. in 1992 we had a really good year although we finished 10th but at one stage we won 5 in a row (it was the last time balmain won 5 in a row ever) then fell apart by losing to crap teams like gold coast (sounds familiar???_)

1993 sucked we were in games but couldn't win 1994 was a disaster and a wooden spoon. then we turned into the 'sydney Tigers' 1996 was actually a really good year won 11 games. 97 was bad couldn't even make the finals and gold coast did with the ARL. and 98 and 99 just sucked, so year the 90s were touch growing up as a teenager being a Balmain fan. and since 1990 have only seen my team make the semis 3 times in 28 years

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Mon 13 Aug, 2018 4:10 pm
by Oggy
Yossarian wrote:
Sun 13 May, 2018 10:18 pm
Yeah Freeman was forced out to accommodate Smith. Jones being Jones he had his favourites and guys like Freeman and Jack (voluntarily got forced out).

What happened? The club was never wealthy but Barnes was an effective administrator. 89 we should have won the comp, 90 we made the finals. Then Jones comes in. 91 we don't win a game for the first 7 or so rounds. After that we got going but it was too late. 92 and 93 the Jones effect hits. He can't coach a RL team and it shows. His tactics are poor, his game knowledge non-existence. The team effectively coached itself. 94 he's replaced by Junior. All Jones' favourites go and most of the old guard have retired or moved on. Only Siro and Jack returning from England. 94 we run last and never had the cash to turn to around. Keep in mind the comp goes to 20 teams so it's harder to get talent with new clubs spending money. Then Super Lesgue hits and it's downhill until the JV.
actually in 1991 we didn''t win till round 9 we had a draw in there from memory. think benny elias broke his thumb that year too and missed a lot of time. but I remember 1992 was a decent year winning 5 in a row and the last time doing that, by june we were in 3rd place at one stage just a poor ending we were a chance of the top 5 at one stage. and were losing to bad teams like Gold Coast (some things never change LOL) were were in 6th place at that stage and fighting for the top 5 and Gold Coast the last place team smashed us at home and we never recovered ended up only winning 2 more of out last 8 games.

There was a game where we lost to souths by letting them score about 14 points in the final 10 mins in 1992. we could have finish higher that year.

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Mon 13 Aug, 2018 4:33 pm
by Oggy
jadtiger wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 5:58 pm
Alan Jones was a total disaster, he had zero idea about league and wasnt prepared to listen.He kicked Freeman out of the club by playing him in reggies and bringing in a union half Brian Smith who couldnt organise to save his life but could kick the ball deep.He is the only coach i knew in my 50 years of supporting Balmain as being a coach i disliked.The move to parra was not a good one and was resented by the majority of the supporter base.
The casino was another problem but was totally out of the clubs hands.They were tough years.
the only good thing Smith did was kick that winning field goal against souffs at the SCG in 1993

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Mon 13 Aug, 2018 4:44 pm
by sheer64
In 1985 we had the team to win the comp. But a certain referee named Mick Stone decided getting a brown paper bag from the Dogs was a better option than refereeing fairly in the final series. And guess who went on to win that year?

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Mon 13 Aug, 2018 4:51 pm
by tiger05premier
sheer64 wrote:
Mon 13 Aug, 2018 4:44 pm
In 1985 we had the team to win the comp. But a certain referee named Mick Stone decided getting a brown paper bag from the Dogs was a better option than refereeing fairly in the final series. And guess who went on to win that year?
85 was the 1st grand final i went to

Only 14 at the time so don't remember anything about the side we had

I'm guessing we were knocked out in the preliminary final against the dog's?

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Mon 13 Aug, 2018 5:04 pm
by sheer64
tiger05premier wrote:
Mon 13 Aug, 2018 4:51 pm
sheer64 wrote:
Mon 13 Aug, 2018 4:44 pm
In 1985 we had the team to win the comp. But a certain referee named Mick Stone decided getting a brown paper bag from the Dogs was a better option than refereeing fairly in the final series. And guess who went on to win that year?
85 was the 1st grand final i went to

Only 14 at the time so don't remember anything about the side we had

I'm guessing we were knocked out in the preliminary final against the dog's?
No after we lost in Extra time to the Dogs in the first game of the finals when Stone refereed, we had to play our bogey team the Eels next and did not show up. Against the Dogs we scored three fair tries that were all disallowed by Stone, each time Steve Mortimer ran up to him and then no try was signaled. We had a 19 year old Gary Schofield who had come over from England playing that year for us. He was one of the best.

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Mon 13 Aug, 2018 5:39 pm
by Yossarian
Yeah I was at the 85 semi against the Dogs. Got rorted.

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Mon 13 Aug, 2018 5:54 pm
by Kerry Cogger
Oggy wrote:
Mon 13 Aug, 2018 4:33 pm
jadtiger wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 5:58 pm
Alan Jones was a total disaster, he had zero idea about league and wasnt prepared to listen.He kicked Freeman out of the club by playing him in reggies and bringing in a union half Brian Smith who couldnt organise to save his life but could kick the ball deep.He is the only coach i knew in my 50 years of supporting Balmain as being a coach i disliked.The move to parra was not a good one and was resented by the majority of the supporter base.
The casino was another problem but was totally out of the clubs hands.They were tough years.
the only good thing Smith did was kick that winning field goal against souffs at the SCG in 1993

I was at that game and as a 1969 tribute entry that day was like 50 cents from memory ala 69 prices also heavily discounted food too.

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Mon 13 Aug, 2018 6:09 pm
by The Patriot
Yossarian wrote:
Sun 13 May, 2018 10:18 pm
Yeah Freeman was forced out to accommodate Smith. Jones being Jones he had his favourites and guys like Freeman and Jack (voluntarily got forced out).

What happened? The club was never wealthy but Barnes was an effective administrator. 89 we should have won the comp, 90 we made the finals. Then Jones comes in. 91 we don't win a game for the first 7 or so rounds. After that we got going but it was too late. 92 and 93 the Jones effect hits. He can't coach a RL team and it shows. His tactics are poor, his game knowledge non-existence. The team effectively coached itself. 94 he's replaced by Junior. All Jones' favourites go and most of the old guard have retired or moved on. Only Siro and Jack returning from England. 94 we run last and never had the cash to turn to around. Keep in mind the comp goes to 20 teams so it's harder to get talent with new clubs spending money. Then Super Lesgue hits and it's downhill until the JV.
I thought this was very well summed up.

I have forgotten more than i remember about this time (deliberately) but this is as accurate as it gets.

Jones was a mistake, Pearce was a mistake. it set in play years of disappointment and struggle.

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Tue 14 Aug, 2018 9:55 am
by Oggy
Kerry Cogger wrote:
Mon 13 Aug, 2018 5:54 pm
Oggy wrote:
Mon 13 Aug, 2018 4:33 pm
jadtiger wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 5:58 pm
Alan Jones was a total disaster, he had zero idea about league and wasnt prepared to listen.He kicked Freeman out of the club by playing him in reggies and bringing in a union half Brian Smith who couldnt organise to save his life but could kick the ball deep.He is the only coach i knew in my 50 years of supporting Balmain as being a coach i disliked.The move to parra was not a good one and was resented by the majority of the supporter base.
The casino was another problem but was totally out of the clubs hands.They were tough years.
the only good thing Smith did was kick that winning field goal against souffs at the SCG in 1993

I was at that game and as a 1969 tribute entry that day was like 50 cents from memory ala 69 prices also heavily discounted food too.
I remember it was the first year of the footy show too when it was only on at Sundays and was decent, they had the pass the ball comp of souffs v Balmain. and did a big thing about 1969. what's scary is in 1993 that was only 24 years ago. now if we say what was 24 years ago today we get the year 1984!!

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Tue 14 Aug, 2018 11:32 am
by jirskyr
Oggy wrote:
Tue 14 Aug, 2018 9:55 am
Kerry Cogger wrote:
Mon 13 Aug, 2018 5:54 pm
Oggy wrote:
Mon 13 Aug, 2018 4:33 pm
jadtiger wrote:
Mon 14 May, 2018 5:58 pm
Alan Jones was a total disaster, he had zero idea about league and wasnt prepared to listen.He kicked Freeman out of the club by playing him in reggies and bringing in a union half Brian Smith who couldnt organise to save his life but could kick the ball deep.He is the only coach i knew in my 50 years of supporting Balmain as being a coach i disliked.The move to parra was not a good one and was resented by the majority of the supporter base.
The casino was another problem but was totally out of the clubs hands.They were tough years.
the only good thing Smith did was kick that winning field goal against souffs at the SCG in 1993

I was at that game and as a 1969 tribute entry that day was like 50 cents from memory ala 69 prices also heavily discounted food too.
I remember it was the first year of the footy show too when it was only on at Sundays and was decent, they had the pass the ball comp of souffs v Balmain. and did a big thing about 1969. what's scary is in 1993 that was only 24 years ago. now if we say what was 24 years ago today we get the year 1984!!
Ah do the sum in your calculator again?

24 years ago was 1994.

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Tue 14 Aug, 2018 1:36 pm
by Oggy


was this the reason Brian Smith wore headgera? this game we drew btw out of that losing our first 7 games

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Tue 14 Aug, 2018 1:37 pm
by Oggy
jirskyr wrote:
Tue 14 Aug, 2018 11:32 am
Oggy wrote:
Tue 14 Aug, 2018 9:55 am
Kerry Cogger wrote:
Mon 13 Aug, 2018 5:54 pm
Oggy wrote:
Mon 13 Aug, 2018 4:33 pm


the only good thing Smith did was kick that winning field goal against souffs at the SCG in 1993

I was at that game and as a 1969 tribute entry that day was like 50 cents from memory ala 69 prices also heavily discounted food too.
I remember it was the first year of the footy show too when it was only on at Sundays and was decent, they had the pass the ball comp of souffs v Balmain. and did a big thing about 1969. what's scary is in 1993 that was only 24 years ago. now if we say what was 24 years ago today we get the year 1984!!
Ah do the sum in your calculator again?

24 years ago was 1994.
your right typo that makes it feel even more worse and me even more older!

Re: Balmain 80s/90s

Posted: Tue 14 Aug, 2018 3:13 pm
by GNR4LIFE
Been home sick this week, watching random stuff on YouTube, Found myself watching the 89 GF. You always here about the field goal that hit the crossbar, or junior dropping the ball with the line wide open, and all the rest. The match was still there to be won though. With 5 minutes to go in the second period of ET, Jack gets an offload to junior who then puts Brasher up over halfway. He gets tackled on the first, then they proceeded to go nowhere for the next 4 tackles. Horrible.