SOS - half back needed

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Re: SOS - half back needed

Post by hybrid_tiger » Sun 29 May, 2011 11:29 pm

I am a big fan of Lui but he has had three very poor games in a row now. Needs to be on notice, but we all know Sheens does not drop players so what's the point in discussing it.

I will say one thing - Lui's kicking game is still better than anything Marshall and Farah offer.


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Post by gazroc » Sun 29 May, 2011 11:41 pm

hybrid_tiger wrote:I am a big fan of Lui but he has had three very poor games in a row now. Needs to be on notice, but we all know Sheens does not drop players so what's the point in discussing it.

I will say one thing - Lui's kicking game is still better than anything Marshall and Farah offer.

Not only does he not drop players, he only plays with 16. He must be the only NRL who does this, are we that bad that we can't rotate a 17 man squad with confidence that the player will do the job. What's going on? Using the 17th man in the last 5 minutes of a game is not good enough, it puts to much mental and physical pressure on our defence and decision making in the back end of each half. Not good enough!

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Post by hooker » Sun 29 May, 2011 11:47 pm

I like Lui alot.

but why was he defending against gaz so often.

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Post by happy tiger » Mon 30 May, 2011 1:17 am

hooker wrote:I like Lui alot.

but why was he defending against gaz so often.
Because we were playing a compressed line which worked until they went wide . Then it appeared our outside backs had no idea how to react when Saints did that . Can I say something seriously though . We take that game plan with our best side and we CAN beat St George We really tested them up the guts . :sign:

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Post by mtd » Mon 30 May, 2011 1:46 am

Tiger_heart wrote:At the risk of getting half the forum jumping on me, I can't see who our 1/2 is, if Lui then he went missing in action... yes, not the only one, and yes we can talk about playing behind beaten forwards, but for mine, he has probably played 1-2 decent games this year, consistency is not his go...
our forwards have player very inconsistent this year, so it doesnt make it easy for a young halfback. sure, the freaks of the game can congure something from nothing at times, but even after a solid start by him today - benji was well contained.

give lui a near full strength side and some go forward and we still have a chance to win the comp this year.


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Post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 30 May, 2011 7:43 am

happy tiger wrote:
hooker wrote:I like Lui alot.

but why was he defending against gaz so often.
Because we were playing a compressed line which worked until they went wide . Then it appeared our outside backs had no idea how to react when Saints did that . Can I say something seriously though . We take that game plan with our best side and we CAN beat St George We really tested them up the guts . :sign:
This.

Their second phase play killed us, and the cheap try to Cooper by spreading it down the left where they had the overlap was terrible stuff.

Lui squared off against Gasnier a fair bit, and even brought him down twice one-on-one. Gasnier would have brushed most blokes Lui's size off.

It wasn't his best game today, but it was far from his worst and the return of his mate Ellis and a specialist flyer in Tuqiri next week will see him lift.
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Post by Tiger Watto » Mon 30 May, 2011 7:53 am

tigergirlz wrote:Last couple of games been very quiet. His attacking flair is missing.
this is how I'd analyse his performance... I wouldnt say he had a bad game, he just didnt have any impact. Apart from his 4 missed tackles, his stats are still better than Benjis!
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Post by guesty123 » Mon 30 May, 2011 7:58 am

"Player X plays 2 bad games"

Weststigersforum: "drop him he's s*** arghhhh"

Grow up.
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Post by crystalpink74 » Mon 30 May, 2011 8:48 am

Let's get out the violins. Lui hasn't even played 30 NRL games yet!!!! I remember when Chrissy couldn't tackle if his life depended on it, but look at him now, he's a superstar. I know they play different positions but the kid is 21, less than 30 games under his belt, 17 which helped us get to the semi's in 2010. Why is everyone so impatient with our young ones??? How else are they suppose to get better if they don't give it a go working with the more experienced players.

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Post by gazroc » Mon 30 May, 2011 11:53 am

crystalpink74 wrote:Let's get out the violins. Lui hasn't even played 30 NRL games yet!!!! I remember when Chrissy couldn't tackle if his life depended on it, but look at him now, he's a superstar. I know they play different positions but the kid is 21, less than 30 games under his belt, 17 which helped us get to the semi's in 2010. Why is everyone so impatient with our young ones??? How else are they suppose to get better if they don't give it a go working with the more experienced players.
because he is not progressing in my opinion as a halfback, he looks lost, even intimidated to have a go him self, Jake Miller showed more in is debut and he is not afraid to bark orders, this is because he has been a halfback from day one, lui is far better when at number 6, but hey that position is already filled. Bring Miller in at half and move lui to the bench to cover and rotate him Farah. Farah to me has been sadly out of form this year due to a niggling groin injury, he has hardly kicked the ball in general play and seems to make ordinary decisions when he gets fatigued. I moving lui to the bench and rotating him with Farah would actually help farah make better decisions.

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Post by Cultured Bogan » Mon 30 May, 2011 12:18 pm

gazroc wrote:
crystalpink74 wrote:Let's get out the violins. Lui hasn't even played 30 NRL games yet!!!! I remember when Chrissy couldn't tackle if his life depended on it, but look at him now, he's a superstar. I know they play different positions but the kid is 21, less than 30 games under his belt, 17 which helped us get to the semi's in 2010. Why is everyone so impatient with our young ones??? How else are they suppose to get better if they don't give it a go working with the more experienced players.
because he is not progressing in my opinion as a halfback, he looks lost, even intimidated to have a go him self, Jake Miller showed more in is debut and he is not afraid to bark orders, this is because he has been a halfback from day one, lui is far better when at number 6, but hey that position is already filled. Bring Miller in at half and move lui to the bench to cover and rotate him Farah. Farah to me has been sadly out of form this year due to a niggling groin injury, he has hardly kicked the ball in general play and seems to make ordinary decisions when he gets fatigued. I moving lui to the bench and rotating him with Farah would actually help farah make better decisions.
We saw what happened when Miller tried to take control of the game in the match against the Titans.

He kicked out on the full and Marshall/Farah shut him out of the movement for the rest of the night.

I have big expectations for his future don't get me wrong, but it's too early to be writing off Lui and pumping this kid's tyres yet.
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Post by Moh » Mon 30 May, 2011 12:26 pm

guesty123 wrote:"Player X plays 2 bad games"

Weststigersforum: "drop him he's s*** arghhhh"

Grow up.
Never agreed more with a post on this forum.

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Post by gazroc » Mon 30 May, 2011 12:35 pm

I don't have a problem with lui, he is a great prospect but he is not a number 7 and the sooner everyone wakes up to the fact the better. We persisted with trying turn Marshall into a number 7 and we are going down the same path again with lui. I actually believe that Lui will be a better number 6 than Marshall because he is more patient, but who is going to drop a high profile player to park football, the answer not Tim Sheens.

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Post by BeanStew55 » Mon 30 May, 2011 12:41 pm

I don't have a problem with robert lui at all i just think they need to maybe give curtis sironen a run or put moltzen at halfback and put jake mullaney (i know i have said this a thousand times and it probably won't happen) but at least give it a go and see if it works, from what i have heard he is quite good.

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Post by cktiger » Mon 30 May, 2011 12:43 pm

Moh wrote:
guesty123 wrote:"Player X plays 2 bad games"

Weststigersforum: "drop him he's s*** arghhhh"

Grow up.
Never agreed more with a post on this forum.
Problem is Lui has had only had two GOOD games out of the last ten

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Post by Moh » Mon 30 May, 2011 12:44 pm

LOLOLOLOL dropping Marshall.

LOOOOOOOOOL no idea.

:brick:

Lui has been solid at halfback and is definitely our best option at the moment. He's had 2 or 3 bad games due to the whole team having shockers. Thread closed.

Edit: Two good games out of ten? That will do me.

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Post by gazroc » Mon 30 May, 2011 12:46 pm

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Post by cktiger » Mon 30 May, 2011 1:02 pm

Moh wrote:LOLOLOLOL dropping Marshall.

LOOOOOOOOOL no idea.

:brick:

Lui has been solid at halfback and is definitely our best option at the moment. He's had 2 or 3 bad games due to the whole team having shockers. Thread closed.

Edit: Two good games out of ten? That will do me.
You can't seriously be happy with two good games out of ten Moh?
He played well against the Dragons in the final LAST YEAR and only good game since was against a very poor Canberra team.
His defence costs us points every game and he continues to drop the ball or make a mistake at the worst possible time.
Marshall gets away with making blunders because he can turn it around and win us games - but you can't carry a half and five eighth both making silly errors.
And although the stats may say Marshall misses tackles he also comes up with trysavers - and they're the ones that count.
At the moment Lui is trying to be a poor mans version of Marshall - and not succeeding

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