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Salary Cap

Posted: Sun 08 Oct, 2017 3:49 pm
by Balmainbred
If there are so many,third party deals going on would it be easier to get rid of them so every team is on the same page ban them if your caught out you loose all points for that season ,not just for major cap breaches

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Sun 08 Oct, 2017 6:18 pm
by Geo.
Non - Affiliated Third Party agreements were introduced so players were not restricted in what they could earn from their own intellectual property...you can not stop a Billy Slater earning money from Gatorade based on HIS profile for example..they follow the player not the Club he plays for..

There are restrictions in place for Club Affiliated TPA's

The problem lies where many believe the richer Clubs arrange these Non-Affiliated TPA's when they are meant to be only between a player and the third party..

All TPA's must be approved by the NRL...do Clubs cheat ..probably.. but without some sought of whistle blower which has happened with every major breach in the past Clubs will continue to push the envelope..

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Sun 08 Oct, 2017 10:19 pm
by formerguest
Balmainbred wrote:
Sun 08 Oct, 2017 3:49 pm
If there are so many,third party deals going on would it be easier to get rid of them so every team is on the same page ban them if your caught out you loose all points for that season ,not just for major cap breaches
It is an unreasonable restraint of trade to ban them.

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Mon 09 Oct, 2017 8:29 am
by Russell
formerguest wrote:
Sun 08 Oct, 2017 10:19 pm
Balmainbred wrote:
Sun 08 Oct, 2017 3:49 pm
If there are so many,third party deals going on would it be easier to get rid of them so every team is on the same page ban them if your caught out you loose all points for that season ,not just for major cap breaches
It is an unreasonable restraint of trade to ban them.
That is true - so there must be a system put in place that controls them - or it is open slather as usual.

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Mon 09 Oct, 2017 8:48 am
by Cultured Bogan
Russell wrote:
Mon 09 Oct, 2017 8:29 am
formerguest wrote:
Sun 08 Oct, 2017 10:19 pm
Balmainbred wrote:
Sun 08 Oct, 2017 3:49 pm
If there are so many,third party deals going on would it be easier to get rid of them so every team is on the same page ban them if your caught out you loose all points for that season ,not just for major cap breaches
It is an unreasonable restraint of trade to ban them.
That is true - so there must be a system put in place that controls them - or it is open slather as usual.
It's open slather. If there were controls plenty of clubs would be busted for initiating the deals. I have no doubt that the clubs that manage to secure players with significant external TPA's have some sort of dealings in them.

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Mon 09 Oct, 2017 9:48 am
by Spartan117
Yeah but its a downright rort for some clubs.

I.e. We will arrange for yo to get paid from the outside as that its not under the Cap

Cronk to Roosters in 2018. This is the mechanism used to cheat

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Mon 09 Oct, 2017 11:02 am
by formerguest
Russell wrote:
Mon 09 Oct, 2017 8:29 am
formerguest wrote:
Sun 08 Oct, 2017 10:19 pm
Balmainbred wrote:
Sun 08 Oct, 2017 3:49 pm
If there are so many,third party deals going on would it be easier to get rid of them so every team is on the same page ban them if your caught out you loose all points for that season ,not just for major cap breaches
It is an unreasonable restraint of trade to ban them.
That is true - so there must be a system put in place that controls them - or it is open slather as usual.
A central register for all non club affiliated TPA's is the only solution, but no chance in hell of the players association agreeing to it, particularly as most, if not all of it's leadership could be benefiting from these alleged insider deals.

Self interest at all levels is the problem, just as society in general, with most more worried about having a bigger boat or similar, whilst not really caring about their much lower paid teammates or struggling neighbours.

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Mon 09 Oct, 2017 3:26 pm
by colmcd
Can someone explain the Hayne TPA?

As I understand it webjet or a similar company would kick in $500,000 for Hayne to feature in their adds, but only if he signed with the Gold Coast Titans?

Look I get it. Were going to get superstars. Superstars will get corporate sponsorships and that's natural, in fact we probably want to encourage this. Like sponsorship to the NRL, get and keep the big names i.e. Israel Folau, Ingles, your Slater/Smith, etc.

We just need to balance our teams out somehow. My thoughts are a Marquee player allowance. Have one guy go to the moon, then if they want that million dollar Adidas sponsorship, the titans or whoever can pick them up. It should mix the teams up a bit as some will put it on Fullbacks while others will put it on Forwards.

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Mon 09 Oct, 2017 3:54 pm
by Tiger Watto
$ = Corruption

Until they reformat the Salary Cap so it is not based on $'s, clubs will rort the cap.

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Mon 09 Oct, 2017 11:49 pm
by Onthebus
Roosters are the biggest joke in rugby league when it comes to TPAs and the Salary Cap

These are the grubs who started the NRL/Superleague war back in the day, trying to poach 3 of Canberras players which ended up starting a breakaway comp

If the Rorters get Cronk that will just about do me, it will be a smack in the face to every other club who does the right thing

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Tue 10 Oct, 2017 8:21 am
by tigerap
Onthebus wrote:
Mon 09 Oct, 2017 11:49 pm
Roosters are the biggest joke in rugby league when it comes to TPAs and the Salary Cap

These are the grubs who started the NRL/Superleague war back in the day, trying to poach 3 of Canberras players which ended up starting a breakaway comp

If the Rorters get Cronk that will just about do me, it will be a smack in the face to every other club who does the right thing
And that is the problem, the only clubs that do the right thing are those clubs that cannot afford or be in a position to cheat the TPA system....i.e. WT!

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Tue 10 Oct, 2017 9:16 am
by jirskyr
formerguest wrote:
Mon 09 Oct, 2017 11:02 am
Russell wrote:
Mon 09 Oct, 2017 8:29 am
formerguest wrote:
Sun 08 Oct, 2017 10:19 pm
Balmainbred wrote:
Sun 08 Oct, 2017 3:49 pm
If there are so many,third party deals going on would it be easier to get rid of them so every team is on the same page ban them if your caught out you loose all points for that season ,not just for major cap breaches
It is an unreasonable restraint of trade to ban them.
That is true - so there must be a system put in place that controls them - or it is open slather as usual.
A central register for all non club affiliated TPA's is the only solution, but no chance in hell of the players association agreeing to it, particularly as most, if not all of it's leadership could be benefiting from these alleged insider deals.
I believe all legit TPAs must be registered w the NRL? NRL clubs are not allowed guarantee TPAs so the hard part is proving they aren't being guaranteed by the club.

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Tue 10 Oct, 2017 6:20 pm
by tigeress
Balmainbred wrote:
Sun 08 Oct, 2017 3:49 pm
If there are so many,third party deals going on would it be easier to get rid of them so every team is on the same page ban them if your caught out you loose all points for that season ,not just for major cap breaches
As far as I'm concerned that would be the best thing to put every club on a level playing field, but I can't see that happening :crazy :deadhorse:

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Tue 10 Oct, 2017 7:25 pm
by Tigerdon
Meriton should be paying or making ever supplier of theirs to sponsor a Tiger and I'm not talking at the Zoo. Actually my daughter works there ... so the Zoo as well

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Tue 10 Oct, 2017 8:02 pm
by bathursttiger
Tiger Watto wrote:
Mon 09 Oct, 2017 3:54 pm
$ = Corruption

Until they reformat the Salary Cap so it is not based on $'s, clubs will rort the cap.
I've been advocating this for years with my friends.
A similar system to Supercoach, where players are rated on their level and all teams have the same skill/experience level.
Eg: Australian player worth 50 points
SOS player worth x points
200 NRL game player worth x points etc.

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Tue 10 Oct, 2017 8:31 pm
by Chicken Faced Killa
bathursttiger wrote:
Tue 10 Oct, 2017 8:02 pm
Tiger Watto wrote:
Mon 09 Oct, 2017 3:54 pm
$ = Corruption

Until they reformat the Salary Cap so it is not based on $'s, clubs will rort the cap.
I've been advocating this for years with my friends.
A similar system to Supercoach, where players are rated on their level and all teams have the same skill/experience level.
Eg: Australian player worth 50 points
SOS player worth x points
200 NRL game player worth x points etc.
The problem with this system is what happens when you sign players for 3 and 4 years and they make SOS or the Australian team so you are over the cap through developing players.

How long is a player worth the SOS or Australian team points? If a player plays one game are they worth those points for their entire careers.

No matter what system you use there are going to be problems.

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Tue 10 Oct, 2017 9:55 pm
by bathursttiger
Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Tue 10 Oct, 2017 8:31 pm
bathursttiger wrote:
Tue 10 Oct, 2017 8:02 pm
Tiger Watto wrote:
Mon 09 Oct, 2017 3:54 pm
$ = Corruption

Until they reformat the Salary Cap so it is not based on $'s, clubs will rort the cap.
I've been advocating this for years with my friends.
A similar system to Supercoach, where players are rated on their level and all teams have the same skill/experience level.
Eg: Australian player worth 50 points
SOS player worth x points
200 NRL game player worth x points etc.
The problem with this system is what happens when you sign players for 3 and 4 years and they make SOS or the Australian team so you are over the cap through developing players.

How long is a player worth the SOS or Australian team points? If a player plays one game are they worth those points for their entire careers.

No matter what system you use there are going to be problems.
Anything has to be better then the current system where some clubs can manipulate the salary cap with TPA's.
Sign a player like SBW for $400k and give him $500k TPA.
Is that fair?
Don't think so, when the idea behind the salary cap was to create a level playing field.

Re: Salary Cap

Posted: Tue 10 Oct, 2017 10:49 pm
by Chicken Faced Killa
bathursttiger wrote:
Tue 10 Oct, 2017 9:55 pm
Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Tue 10 Oct, 2017 8:31 pm
bathursttiger wrote:
Tue 10 Oct, 2017 8:02 pm
Tiger Watto wrote:
Mon 09 Oct, 2017 3:54 pm
$ = Corruption

Until they reformat the Salary Cap so it is not based on $'s, clubs will rort the cap.
I've been advocating this for years with my friends.
A similar system to Supercoach, where players are rated on their level and all teams have the same skill/experience level.
Eg: Australian player worth 50 points
SOS player worth x points
200 NRL game player worth x points etc.
The problem with this system is what happens when you sign players for 3 and 4 years and they make SOS or the Australian team so you are over the cap through developing players.

How long is a player worth the SOS or Australian team points? If a player plays one game are they worth those points for their entire careers.

No matter what system you use there are going to be problems.
Anything has to be better then the current system where some clubs can manipulate the salary cap with TPA's.
Sign a player like SBW for $400k and give him $500k TPA.
Is that fair?
Don't think so, when the idea behind the salary cap was to create a level playing field.
I agree the current system favours some clubs over others and is not ideal. TPA should have to go through the NRL and be negotiated with the NRL.