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Why Roosters?

Unread post by colmcd » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 10:28 am

Why are the Roosters going for Cronk?

Then I have to look at the competition, why would Manly!!?? want Cronk? They have DCE locked down for 12 years, Unless they punt Green and move DCE to 5/8 why would they want Cronk.

Parramatta makes sense, you punt Norman and partner Moses with Cronk. Even though this is pretty high risk.

Cronulla makes sense, but where their cap money is coming from I have no idea. I guess that Gallen is probably close enough to retirement that they would just tap him.

Penrith makes sense, as Phil Gould may think he will loose Nathan Cleary so why not punt him and move the next gen up.

Canterbury makes sense, but don't have the cap space anywhere. If Woods's contract gets knocked back, and they offload the Morris twins then I could see a Cronk offer materialising.

Naturally St George and Souths don't make sense and they haven't bidden for Cronk. Are the Roosters just being silly Roosters as always.


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Unread post by Milky » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 10:42 am

This idea is out of the blank but I think Cronk will play lock wherever he ends up.

Just like Bird will at the Broncos.

The lock position is in for a change.

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Unread post by Geo. » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 10:49 am

Some teams like winning... :?
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Unread post by 851 » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 11:00 am

Geo. wrote:
Tue 24 Oct, 2017 10:49 am
Some teams like winning... :?
True, and some do it regularly, why can't we :(
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Unread post by Pawsandclaws » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 11:52 am

Has anyone noticed the Roosters always chase players who either supported their club as children (Tedesco) or have previously played for the club (Crichton). Note Marsters previously trialled or played with the Roosters and Fittler is a big fan.


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Unread post by innsaneink » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 12:51 pm

Milky wrote:
Tue 24 Oct, 2017 10:42 am
This idea is out of the blank but I think Cronk will play lock wherever he ends up.

Just like Bird will at the Broncos.

The lock position is in for a change.
Put the pipe down

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Unread post by Fade To Black » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 12:52 pm

851 wrote:
Tue 24 Oct, 2017 11:00 am
Geo. wrote:
Tue 24 Oct, 2017 10:49 am
Some teams like winning... :?
True, and some do it regularly, why can't we :(
We haven't mastered the honourable art of "salary cap manipulation" as of yet. Look at the top sides of the last 4 or 5 years.....they all have that stench of dodgy dealings about them. Roosters, Broncos: pretty much goes without saying that every fan believes these 2 operate well outside most clubs' budgets. Storm: wouldn't surprise if they are still utilizing their "free boats" sham to this day. Cowboys: wasn't there big murmurings around some sort of shonky "housing deals" around their players a few seasons back IIRC? Sharks: have gone from a club on it's knees without a cent to it's name to a bottomless pit of expendable funds in 3 or 4 short years.
The answer is most likely in amongst that pile as to why certain clubs hover around the basement for year upon year. It is only going to get worse that is for certain.

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Unread post by LeichhardtTiger » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 1:41 pm

Hargreaves 600K Friend 600K Napa 700K Cordner 900K Taukeiaho 400K Lui 400K Pearce 700K Keary 700K Ferguson 350K Mitchell 500K Matterson 300K Tupou 350K Tedesco 1mill Gordon 400K Aubusson 400K Tetevano 300K Manu 300K -I think that's 9.5mill for 17 players I guess the other 13 are playing for free.
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Unread post by underdog » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 5:03 pm

LeichhardtTiger wrote:
Tue 24 Oct, 2017 1:41 pm
Hargreaves 600K Friend 600K Napa 700K Cordner 900K Taukeiaho 400K Lui 400K Pearce 700K Keary 700K Ferguson 350K Mitchell 500K Matterson 300K Tupou 350K Tedesco 1mill Gordon 400K Aubusson 400K Tetevano 300K Manu 300K -I think that's 9.5mill for 17 players I guess the other 13 are playing for free.
All of these are way overs.

Fergusson is on peanuts as he's gold a whole bunch of stuff held over him by the likes of Politis et al.

Manu is a fringe winger, would be lucky to be on half of that.

Cordner I read somewhere is on the equivalent of 666k per year

Aubussion is on something like 250k - but he's in golden handshake and veteran territory

Taukeiaho and Lui 400k? Nahh.....

I mean don't get me wrong - they are cap rorters, but it's not THAT bad.
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Unread post by jirskyr » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 5:07 pm

LeichhardtTiger wrote:
Tue 24 Oct, 2017 1:41 pm
Hargreaves 600K Friend 600K Napa 700K Cordner 900K Taukeiaho 400K Lui 400K Pearce 700K Keary 700K Ferguson 350K Mitchell 500K Matterson 300K Tupou 350K Tedesco 1mill Gordon 400K Aubusson 400K Tetevano 300K Manu 300K -I think that's 9.5mill for 17 players I guess the other 13 are playing for free.
Obviously those aren't the numbers, but even in the papers NRL saying Roosters have $400K left in their cap, Roosters themselves reckon it's $850K. Don't know how that computes.

But you tell me that this side:

Tedesco NSW rep
Gordon
Latrell future rep
Ferguson rep
Tupou former rep
Keary
Cronk top rep
JWH rep
Friend fringe rep
Napa rep
Cordner top rep
Liu
Taukeiaho

Aubusson
Pearce rep
Matterson
Tetevano

Is under the salary cap, esp when Roosters would confirmed be shilling out $850-900K to each of Tedesco and Cronkasaurus, so $1.7M of $9.5M (18%) on two players.

Personally I think they are light on for props and that was shown up in the finals. But I don't care, because they would still have at least four top-flight players in that side, and by that I mean Top 3 in their position in the who comp (Tedesco, Latrell, Cronk, Cordner), plus 5 more very highly-regarded (Ferguson, JWH, Friend, Napa, Pearce) that would walk into any other FG side. And then the round-outs of the Top 17 would still be near-sure starters for most other teams.

Just can't wear that, don't care how Roosters dodgy up the numbers with their pals at Moore Park.

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Unread post by Geo. » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 5:08 pm

How do people know what players get paid when their salaries are undisclosed..

From the paper...?
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Unread post by innsaneink » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 5:34 pm

Geo. wrote:
Tue 24 Oct, 2017 5:08 pm
How do people know what players get paid when their salaries are undisclosed..

From the paper...?
I just jog on when I see salaries quoted

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Unread post by Tiger Watto » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 5:36 pm

The Roosters are at the big end of town and have plenty of benefactors to call on. Like who wouldnt want to collaborate with Packer, Gyngell & Bouris in their spare time?!

Cordner & Pearce has been in there system for a very long time and are probably in their Salary Cap for a 3rd of what they are actually earning, as too Tedesco. Being such a high profile recruit, he is probably only in their Cap for 1/2 of what he is earning.

Plus I'd be surprised if Aubusson; Taukeiaho; Liu & Keary come within 70% of those numbers above.
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Unread post by Tigerdon » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 6:54 pm

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Unread post by Tigerdon » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 6:58 pm

Tiger Watto wrote:
Tue 24 Oct, 2017 5:36 pm
The Roosters are at the big end of town and have plenty of benefactors to call on. Like who wouldnt want to collaborate with Packer, Gyngell & Bouris in their spare time?!

Cordner & Pearce has been in there system for a very long time and are probably in their Salary Cap for a 3rd of what they are actually earning, as too Tedesco. Being such a high profile recruit, he is probably only in their Cap for 1/2 of what he is earning.

Plus I'd be surprised if Aubusson; Taukeiaho; Liu & Keary come within 70% of those numbers above.
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Unread post by Geo. » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 7:22 pm

Do ticks mean they play for free.... :?
Ivan's Laws

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3. Be the player your teammates want to play with..
Tiger Watto wrote:
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Geo nailed it...

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Unread post by Spud Murphy » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 8:24 pm

Geo. wrote:
Tue 24 Oct, 2017 5:08 pm
How do people know what players get paid when their salaries are undisclosed..

From the paper...?
No idea! I don't even know what I get paid half the time :lol:

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Unread post by Fraze23 » Tue 24 Oct, 2017 8:28 pm

One quick way to clear all this up is make each clubs salary cap transparent and the players wages public information like in the NFL. The players association would carry on about it all, but you'd immediately know where the cheating was occurring if wages were transparent.

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