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Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Sun 12 Nov, 2017 12:12 pm
by happy tiger
WestsBenTigers wrote:
Sun 12 Nov, 2017 11:55 am
happy tiger wrote:
Sat 11 Nov, 2017 9:52 am
Geo. wrote:
Sat 11 Nov, 2017 8:11 am
happy tiger wrote:
Sat 11 Nov, 2017 1:12 am


Maybe Geo , but we are only 1-2 injuries away from a truly disastrous campaign

We have no creative flair and I'll be shocked if we break 20 points more than 7-8 times this season

So our defence will need to win a lot of games , and if our past is a true indicator of the future that means a pretty dim season
You could possibly be right maybe..then again it's you..

Care to Rank the Rosters...?
We don't have one player who would be ranked in the Top 5 in his position in the NRL
Nofoaluma would surely be in the top 5 wingers

And don't underestimate Suli, I think that he might have a breakout year and be a top 5 centre
He'd be thereabouts based on his first 12 weeks of 2017 , but he was disappointing in the back end (yes I realize he was injured ) and he been similar vein of form for the last few seasons , great start to the season and drops off noticeably at the back end of seasons

He might have a breakout year Ben , but you could say that about every player in the NRL , based on 2017 he was pretty good , but not Top 5 or even Top 10

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Sun 12 Nov, 2017 3:59 pm
by Munk
The NRL boasts some excellent wingers. Nofo does not compete with them.
Forget top 5 wingers, he wouldnt crack top 10 and most probably top 15 niether.
My top 10 wingers 2017 in no particular order...
Vunavulu, Radradra, Rapana, Watene-Zelezniak, Addo Carr, Feldt, Ferguson, Cotric, Rossdog, Mansour

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Sun 12 Nov, 2017 4:17 pm
by Geo.
happy tiger wrote:
Sat 11 Nov, 2017 9:52 am
Geo. wrote:
Sat 11 Nov, 2017 8:11 am
happy tiger wrote:
Sat 11 Nov, 2017 1:12 am
Geo. wrote:
Fri 10 Nov, 2017 12:53 pm


I think you forgot a team called the NZ Warriors while you were away...
Maybe Geo , but we are only 1-2 injuries away from a truly disastrous campaign

We have no creative flair and I'll be shocked if we break 20 points more than 7-8 times this season

So our defence will need to win a lot of games , and if our past is a true indicator of the future that means a pretty dim season
You could possibly be right maybe..then again it's you..

Care to Rank the Rosters...?
We don't have one player who would be ranked in the Top 5 in his position in the NRL

That's how I rank our roster , unless they can come together as a side ......
So ranking the Rosters for the NRL teams to go with the Coaches...too hard...?

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Sun 12 Nov, 2017 4:28 pm
by happy tiger
Geo. wrote:
Sun 12 Nov, 2017 4:17 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Sat 11 Nov, 2017 9:52 am
Geo. wrote:
Sat 11 Nov, 2017 8:11 am
happy tiger wrote:
Sat 11 Nov, 2017 1:12 am


Maybe Geo , but we are only 1-2 injuries away from a truly disastrous campaign

We have no creative flair and I'll be shocked if we break 20 points more than 7-8 times this season

So our defence will need to win a lot of games , and if our past is a true indicator of the future that means a pretty dim season
You could possibly be right maybe..then again it's you..

Care to Rank the Rosters...?
We don't have one player who would be ranked in the Top 5 in his position in the NRL

That's how I rank our roster , unless they can come together as a side ......
So ranking the Rosters for the NRL teams to go with the Coaches...too hard...?
I will do it Geo , but many rosters aren't full for 2018 just yet

I'll go the whole hog , pick each clubs Top 17 imo and rank each player from 1-16 or in other cases 1-32

Should be quite interesting , but I already know that you be first to line up and bag my selections :lol:

Perhaps you can give your opinions as well after mine are completed

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Sun 12 Nov, 2017 4:31 pm
by Geo.
Oh..I'm sure I'll agree with everything you say.. :roll:

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Sun 12 Nov, 2017 4:34 pm
by happy tiger
Geo. wrote:
Sun 12 Nov, 2017 4:31 pm
Oh..I'm sure I'll agree with everything you say.. :roll:
I'm guessing you won't , but your wrong all the time so it won't matter too much :lol:

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Sun 12 Nov, 2017 5:45 pm
by Nelson
Munk wrote:
Sun 12 Nov, 2017 3:59 pm
The NRL boasts some excellent wingers. Nofo does not compete with them.
Forget top 5 wingers, he wouldnt crack top 10 and most probably top 15 niether.
My top 10 wingers 2017 in no particular order...
Vunavulu, Radradra, Rapana, Watene-Zelezniak, Addo Carr, Feldt, Ferguson, Cotric, Rossdog, Mansour
It depends on what a club values. In terms of metre eaters he and Mansour are the best in the game. DWZ is in the same category of winger but Nofo is streets ahead of him - DWZ can't even bloody catch!

Vunivalu, Radradra, Rapana and Holmes are all clearly ahead of him but then it really becomes a matter of style preference with wingers. Cotric won't be a winger long term, at the moment he's a great young player that just happens to have been plonked on the wing.

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Sun 12 Nov, 2017 6:46 pm
by colmcd
As I wrote the below I thought. Where would Tim Sheens be in this list? Probably below 10.... However I think he was probably the League's best playmaking idea coach. The set plays he came up with were extraordinary. His coaching had too many gaps, he got too many basic things wrong.... But his playbook was legendary.

I must say Green making the finals with Scott and JT was the effort of the year. Flanagan and Arthurs have put up with so much stuff that they have shown such metal... I just cannot fault them.
Bellamy is next. Consistently turns out a top Melbourne side. I just don't know how he does it, but I don't know if he can do it without the Storm's top 3 and master training. Next is Robinson, the Roosters even with cap roarting should not be a top 4 side as often as they have been under him. He clearly outshone Brian Caravan. Rounding out these masters is Bennett, I need say more.
Des Haslier is next. He has had a winning formula with Manly and it did not take full effect at Canterbury, but I have no doubt he will be a top 4 coach again.

Cleary comes next. He is a LONG way behind Haslier and is an above average coach. He has the right attitude and in the right side he can and has made the top 4. But he is not like the others above him. I think he doesn't have that much talent as them.

The rest speak for themselves.

1 Green
2 Flanagan
3 Arthurs
4 Bellamy
5 Robinson
6 Bennett
-- Haslier is in here.
7 Cleary
8 Barrett
9 Brown
10 Stuart
11 Griffin
12 Pay
13 McGregor
14 Seibold ?? I honestly have no idea.
15 Brennan likewise.
16 Kearney

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Sun 12 Nov, 2017 7:35 pm
by happy tiger
colmcd wrote:
Sun 12 Nov, 2017 6:46 pm
As I wrote the below I thought. Where would Tim Sheens be in this list? Probably below 10.... However I think he was probably the League's best playmaking idea coach. The set plays he came up with were extraordinary. His coaching had too many gaps, he got too many basic things wrong.... But his playbook was legendary.

I must say Green making the finals with Scott and JT was the effort of the year. Flanagan and Arthurs have put up with so much stuff that they have shown such metal... I just cannot fault them.
Bellamy is next. Consistently turns out a top Melbourne side. I just don't know how he does it, but I don't know if he can do it without the Storm's top 3 and master training. Next is Robinson, the Roosters even with cap roarting should not be a top 4 side as often as they have been under him. He clearly outshone Brian Caravan. Rounding out these masters is Bennett, I need say more.
Des Haslier is next. He has had a winning formula with Manly and it did not take full effect at Canterbury, but I have no doubt he will be a top 4 coach again.

Cleary comes next. He is a LONG way behind Haslier and is an above average coach. He has the right attitude and in the right side he can and has made the top 4. But he is not like the others above him. I think he doesn't have that much talent as them.

The rest speak for themselves.

1 Green
2 Flanagan
3 Arthurs
4 Bellamy
5 Robinson
6 Bennett
-- Haslier is in here.
7 Cleary
8 Barrett
9 Brown
10 Stuart
11 Griffin
12 Pay
13 McGregor
14 Seibold ?? I honestly have no idea.
15 Brennan likewise.
16 Kearney
Seibold has been an assistant with Qld side as well as Souths

Highly rated

Personally I think that it appears that Dymock won't get a job coaching an NRL side

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Sun 12 Nov, 2017 7:41 pm
by Tiger Watto
Brennan is very highly regarded as a 'coach' but I'm not to sure how he is with people management... I'm expecting him to have his troops in good shape at the start of the season and wont be surprised to see the Titans in the Top 8 for a good part of the year.

Obviously once Jared Hayne decides to voice his opinions the Titans season will go off the rails.

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Sun 12 Nov, 2017 8:16 pm
by happy tiger
Tiger Watto wrote:
Sun 12 Nov, 2017 7:41 pm
Brennan is very highly regarded as a 'coach' but I'm not to sure how he is with people management... I'm expecting him to have his troops in good shape at the start of the season and wont be surprised to see the Titans in the Top 8 for a good part of the year.

Obviously once Jared Hayne decides to voice his opinions the Titans season will go off the rails.
I'm hoping we will see the Hayne Stain back at the Eels Watto , Titans don't need to be derailed but Parra being derailed wouldn't harm our chances

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Mon 13 Nov, 2017 10:57 am
by Cultured Bogan
Earl wrote:
Sat 11 Nov, 2017 9:27 am
GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 11 Nov, 2017 8:16 am
Sabre wrote:
Fri 10 Nov, 2017 9:14 pm
Kearney really is the reverse King Midas isn't he...
It speaks volumes that most in this thread rate him below 3 coaches who are untested at NRL level. The worst coach of the last 15 years. Totally incompetent.
He learnt from Bellamy.
He wasn't listening.

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Mon 13 Nov, 2017 5:01 pm
by colmcd
Here is the kicker. How hopeless is David Kidwell!

You're given New Zealand. You have a very decent side and this is your coaching resume for a fulltime first grade job. In fact if you do really well the Warriors may just hire you.

and nothing. NZ is loosing to teams way down the pecking order then them. Yes, all sides get an upset. But the guy can't coach.

Proved that the last 3? years with us were a waste of time.

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Sun 19 Nov, 2017 6:21 pm
by Harvey
Watching NZ efforts at the world cup, I wonder whether it was JT that invented Taylorball, or whether he just handed the attacking reins over to Kidwell

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Mon 20 Nov, 2017 9:11 am
by colmcd
Harvey wrote:
Sun 19 Nov, 2017 6:21 pm
Watching NZ efforts at the world cup, I wonder whether it was JT that invented Taylorball, or whether he just handed the attacking reins over to Kidwell
You see the head to head:
Shawn Johnson vs H Raiwalui ???
RTS vs Kev Naiqama!

Considering that Kidwell was the common factor with Taylor and the coach before him. I think we need to say that this guy was not identified as a DUD. I understood that he was working on our defense not our offense though.

Sheens, Potter, Taylor, Henry, Stuart, anyone could have gotten the NZ side performing far better then this.

Re: Rank the Coaches

Posted: Tue 21 Nov, 2017 12:17 am
by happy tiger
colmcd wrote:
Mon 13 Nov, 2017 5:01 pm
Here is the kicker. How hopeless is David Kidwell!

You're given New Zealand. You have a very decent side and this is your coaching resume for a fulltime first grade job. In fact if you do really well the Warriors may just hire you.

and nothing. NZ is loosing to teams way down the pecking order then them. Yes, all sides get an upset. But the guy can't coach.

Proved that the last 3? years with us were a waste of time.
What makes it worse is that he and Blair were happy with the process

Spent one too many seasons at the WT's me thinks :sign: