Why new Shark Seumanufagai left the Tigers

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Why new Shark Seumanufagai left the Tigers

Unread post by Tacky » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 6:55 pm

When most were happy to stay on the bus at the Wests Tigers, Ava Seumanufagai decided to get off.

It was nothing personal with new coach Ivan Cleary. The powerful front-rower enjoyed a month under Cleary's tutelage before he signed with the Cronulla Sharks in May for the 2018 and 2019 seasons.

While Cleary is a first-class coach, Seumanufagai is not convinced he is a miracle worker, even though he took the New Zealand Warriors to the 2008 preliminary final and 2011 grand final before guiding the Penrith Panthers to the 2014 preliminary final.

Seumanufagai, who had five years at Concord Oval, still thinks the Tigers returning to the NRL finals might be a year or two away. He's never gone beyond 26 rounds and doesn't like that in his resume.

"The decision for me was more about myself. I just needed to move. I needed a change," the 26-year-old told NRL.com.

"So that's what I based my decision on, not on the changes in the coaching staff.

"I'd been there for a while; I was after a breath of fresh air; we were in the papers all the time. It does get to you. So I made my decision relatively early on in the season."

Seumanufagai knows he's up against premiership-winning props in Andrew Fifita and Matt Prior for a starting spot, but he's not fussed if he's named in the 13 or on the interchange list.

"I just want to play finals. If they want me off the bench or starting I don't care," he said. "I haven't played any finals footy yet so to be able to play in the finals would be massive for me."

Certainly there are other NRL clubs that could propel Seumanufagai on his finals quest. So why the Sharks?

"Because it seemed Flanno (coach Shane Flanagan) and the boys had something really good going on here. From the wooden spoon to a premiership in the space of a few years. It's obviously a winning culture.

"You get a lot tighter as you go through adversity. You've seen that at the Sharks. The culture seems to be player-driven. If they want to change things up and improve it comes from the ground up and not the top down. I wanted to come here and be a part of that culture." :crazy

Interestingly Flanagan didn't use that in his sales pitch to get the 114kg prop on his roster. In fact they didn't even speak while negotiations were in progress.

"I'd already signed before I spoke with him," Seumanufagai said. "The following week after we (the Tigers) played them (in Round 9) the texts started coming like 'Looking forward to working with you', 'Anything you want to know just call'. It was all good positive stuff."

Flanagan is fairly chuffed at securing his signature.

"He's got a really big motor and can play good minutes," Flanagan told NRL.com.

"He's a different build to my other two. Matt Prior is tall and athletic and Andrew (Fifita) is a bigger body. Ava is kind of in between those two. He adds good shape to our front row. They will all play but I can't say yet who starts and who comes off the bench. It's a good dilemma to have."

The presence of Fifita and Prior, alongside Paul Gallen and Luke Lewis, is part of the strong attraction for Seumanufagai to Southern Cross Group Stadium.

"I really want to bring in a bit of ball-playing into my game. I want to become more skilful with my footwork and offloads," he said.

He now has some of the best mentors in rugby league to do just that. Fifita and Gallen registered 53 offloads each after 26 rounds in 2017. The Sharks were the only team to have two in the NRL top-five for offloads.

Fifita's dancing feet had him at a club-high 94 tackle busts. Gallen (57) and Lewis (53) were the only other forwards in the Sharks' top-five alongside outside backs Valentine Holmes and Sosaia Feki.

Seumanufagai continues the tradition of Tigers players moving to the Sutherland Shire.

Fifita, Chris Heighington and Beau Ryan have preceded him but didn't influence his decision.

"I was a Parramatta junior so never got to play with those guys."



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Unread post by Swordy » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 7:41 pm

Ava's stats read.....
5 years
3 good hit ups,
44997 lazy missed tackles.

For a big front man, he was easily dominated and never got over his opposite. Wish him well but cant say i am one bit upset about his decision.
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Unread post by Munk » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 7:54 pm

Yet another player publicaly stating that they left to play finals footy.

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Unread post by sheer64 » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 8:26 pm

Munk wrote:
Fri 15 Dec, 2017 7:54 pm
Yet another player publicaly stating that they left to play finals footy.
Maybe if he had pulled his finger out he may have!
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Unread post by gallagher » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 8:30 pm

Its funny how these players distance themselves from their teams results.


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Unread post by Snake » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 8:32 pm

Swordy wrote:
Fri 15 Dec, 2017 7:41 pm
Ava's stats read.....
5 years
3 good hit ups,
44997 lazy missed tackles.

For a big front man, he was easily dominated and never got over his opposite. Wish him well but cant say i am one bit upset about his decision.
I am over our club being trashed by these would be if they could be EX players ...the quotes above say it all SEUMANUFAGAI IS A LOSER .

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Unread post by NT Tiger » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 8:42 pm

gallagher wrote:
Fri 15 Dec, 2017 8:30 pm
Its funny how these players distance themselves from their teams results.
Yeh, Put em all in a room together and watch the finger pointing. It wasn't my fault....
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Unread post by Fibros » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 8:46 pm

The sharks winning culture comes at a high price. Hope your nuts don't shrivel like Gallens did seafoodbasketandfries.

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Unread post by Milky » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 9:24 pm

Hope he knows its players like himself who make us miss the finals. Most average forward in a long time.

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Unread post by Spud Murphy » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 9:54 pm

I'd love nothing more than to see Wests Tigers and Newcastle make the finals next season, while the Sharks, Roosters, Parra & Bulldogs all miss out.

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Unread post by Chicken Faced Killa » Fri 15 Dec, 2017 9:56 pm

The funny thing is family members of this guy have stated he left because he was offered more money from the Sharks

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Unread post by willow » Sat 16 Dec, 2017 5:30 am

No point getting annoyed or personal over him leaving. He wanted a change because he wants to play finals football, so be it. Personally I think Cronulla will slide a little further down the ladder next season. Losing guys like Bird and Maloney hurts them and Gallen and Lewis are not going to get any better at their age.

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Unread post by GNR4LIFE » Sat 16 Dec, 2017 6:35 am

Munk wrote:
Fri 15 Dec, 2017 7:54 pm
Yet another player publicaly stating that they left to play finals footy.
When it's one player, you can brush it off. When it's several, it makes you wonder why if these guys believe that they are good enough that they are entitled to play finals, why didn't they make a pact to lead their former club to the finals? Instead they took the cowards way out and threw their former teammates under the bus. "They weren't good enough to get me to the finals, so I had to go out and find teammates that could". The day any of these guys are welcomed back to the club will be the day my membership is thrown into the garbage. The only player I can see ever coming back though is Woods. Wether that's in 4 years or when his career is over, either way, the door should be permanently shut to that buffoon. The biggest act of cowardice I have ever seen from a captain was to go on tv and throw his club under the bus, He's a disgrace.

As for Ava, I'm very disappointed. Up until now, he'd been an example of how to leave a club with class. We plucked him from Parra NYC, gave him an opportunity and he played 100 games. I could understand if we had duded him and he had an axe to grind, but we didn't and he doesn't. And to complain about us always being in the news, when only a short time ago, his new club that supposedly has a great culture was embroiled in drugs is laughable.

I agree with Willow, I think they will slide even further in 2018. Their halves are weaker, and I think Gallen and Lewis will show their age. I think they will look like players who played a year too long. Their premiership window has closed.

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Unread post by NT Tiger » Sat 16 Dec, 2017 7:22 am

GNR4LIFE wrote:
Sat 16 Dec, 2017 6:35 am
Munk wrote:
Fri 15 Dec, 2017 7:54 pm
Yet another player publicaly stating that they left to play finals footy.
When it's one player, you can brush it off. When it's several, it makes you wonder why if these guys believe that they are good enough that they are entitled to play finals, why didn't they make a pact to lead their former club to the finals? Instead they took the cowards way out and threw their former teammates under the bus. "They weren't good enough to get me to the finals, so I had to go out and find teammates that could". The day any of these guys are welcomed back to the club will be the day my membership is thrown into the garbage. The only player I can see ever coming back though is Woods. Wether that's in 4 years or when his career is over, either way, the door should be permanently shut to that buffoon. The biggest act of cowardice I have ever seen from a captain was to go on tv and throw his club under the bus, He's a disgrace.

As for Ava, I'm very disappointed. Up until now, he'd been an example of how to leave a club with class. We plucked him from Parra NYC, gave him an opportunity and he played 100 games. I could understand if we had duded him and he had an axe to grind, but we didn't and he doesn't. And to complain about us always being in the news, when only a short time ago, his new club that supposedly has a great culture was embroiled in drugs is laughable.

I agree with Willow, I think they will slide even further in 2018. Their halves are weaker, and I think Gallen and Lewis will show their age. I think they will look like players who played a year too long. Their premiership window has closed.
^Bold, underlined, enough said.
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Unread post by Earl » Sat 16 Dec, 2017 7:46 am

He left for money plain and simple. He can spin it however he wants.

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Unread post by Munk » Sat 16 Dec, 2017 9:09 am

willow wrote:
Sat 16 Dec, 2017 5:30 am
No point getting annoyed or personal over him leaving. He wanted a change because he wants to play finals football, so be it. Personally I think Cronulla will slide a little further down the ladder next season. Losing guys like Bird and Maloney hurts them and Gallen and Lewis are not going to get any better at their age.
I disagree. Bird had an average 2017. Maloney theyll miss but he isnt enough to keep them out. The additions of Duges and Moylan will reinvigorate their backline and the way Holmes has exploded this year can only fare well for them. Grahame is still improving and Fifita can still win games on his own when he wants to. On 2017 form, Gal and Lewy could have both played origin and test footy. They wont slide that much in one off season. Theyll be a title threat again.

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Unread post by Masterton » Sat 16 Dec, 2017 9:37 am

I'm not going to put the boot into Ava. Every single new signing at a club has to do a, "Why did you leave X to join Y?" interview. He's hardly going to admit, "Tigers didn't like me enough to give me a big offer. Ivan rated me the 5th best prop at the club."
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Unread post by Telltails » Sat 16 Dec, 2017 10:17 am

Yep pretty standard stuff from all players. Our new recruits would be saying similar - only we havent played finals footy for quite some time.
Its all good incentive for our club to change where we are at.
All very well to point the finger at the players that leave and accuse them of not having what it takes to succeed, but most have performed well at their new clubs and I expect Ava will do much the same.

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