Fresh calls for NRL salaries to be published

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Fresh calls for NRL salaries to be published

Post by Tacky » Fri 09 Feb, 2018 9:06 pm

NRL players union director Jeremy Latimore believes it's time to follow the NBA and start publishing players' incomes as part of a more transparent salary cap system.

Latimore's suggestion comes as the governing body and the Rugby League Players Association are set to begin discussions on overhauling third-party arrangements in the game.

It also comes as the NRL season threatens to be overshadowed by the salary cap saga at Manly, who have yet to respond to the NRL breach notice from last December.

It is believed the Sea Eagles' dramas stem from illegal TPA deals - the same systematic problems that resulted in Parramatta being stripped of 12 competition points and a $1-million fine in 2016.

While the majority of NRL players are adamant their personal financial details should remain private, Latimore insists the constant conjecture must be replaced by more clarity.

"In a lot of sports, American sports and European soccer for example, generally their salaries are known," Latimore told AAP.

"I don't think many players would have an issue with it. If that's going to help fans, the clubs and the NRL, if people know what people are earning then so be it."

"The media speculate it anyway on the big players. I know I've got no issue. People can know what I'm on - it's not much."

Latimore's push follows a similar call from Parramatta chief executive Bernie Gurr, who in December also renewed calls for a limit on the amount of third-party sponsors.

Latimore, who has a bachelor of business degree, disagreed.

"Players have a small window to earn money they do so if they can get these third parties, they should be able to get as many and as much as they can," he said.

"You want the best players in our game. You don't want them going to England or rugby union".


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Post by jadtiger » Fri 09 Feb, 2018 9:24 pm

It wont happen while Greenberg and Politis have any say in the matter.If it ever happens despite them expect the donkeys in brisbane to form a breakaway comp.

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Post by Fade To Black » Fri 09 Feb, 2018 10:26 pm

The NRL is as shonkily-run as any major sporting organisation in the world.......can't think of many worse-maybe professional boxing?
It will never happen, too much back-handed money being divvied up amongst the head honcho's methinks.
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"Great thanks Unca Nick, your salary cap management is looking divine also". Much merryment. The End.

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Post by hobbo » Fri 09 Feb, 2018 10:53 pm

Fade To Black wrote:
Fri 09 Feb, 2018 10:26 pm
The NRL is as shonkily-run as any major sporting organisation in the world.......can't think of many worse-maybe professional boxing?
It will never happen, too much back-handed money being divvied up amongst the head honcho's methinks.
"How's your condo up the coast going Todd?"
"Great thanks Unca Nick, your salary cap management is looking divine also". Much merryment. The End.
Exactly...biggest BS fluff article of the year .
Todd's got sticky fingers from too many Apple pies .
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Post by tigerap » Fri 09 Feb, 2018 11:00 pm

hobbo wrote:
Fri 09 Feb, 2018 10:53 pm
Fade To Black wrote:
Fri 09 Feb, 2018 10:26 pm
The NRL is as shonkily-run as any major sporting organisation in the world.......can't think of many worse-maybe professional boxing?
It will never happen, too much back-handed money being divvied up amongst the head honcho's methinks.
"How's your condo up the coast going Todd?"
"Great thanks Unca Nick, your salary cap management is looking divine also". Much merryment. The End.
Exactly...biggest BS fluff article of the year .
Todd's got sticky fingers from too many Apple pies .
Sadly you are correct....those most corrupt win....and the governing body turn a blind eye unless they are chEck mated


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Post by happy tiger » Sat 10 Feb, 2018 1:14 am

NRL made 3.9 million dollar loss last season and only 3 clubs were profitable

Biggest problem is the cost of going to a game has made rugby league a TV sport

If they can't find a way of turning the public's trend around in the short term they have real issues long term

Cheaper family prices and double headers are the answers in my opinion

Doing deals like 4 tickets , free transport and some sort of food combo (pies , hot dogs , burgers , chips and post mix bottomless drink ) for around $90 might help

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Post by Snake » Sat 10 Feb, 2018 5:40 am

happy tiger wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 1:14 am
NRL made 3.9 million dollar loss last season and only 3 clubs were profitable

Biggest problem is the cost of going to a game has made rugby league a TV sport

If they can't find a way of turning the public's trend around in the short term they have real issues long term

Cheaper family prices and double headers are the answers in my opinion

Doing deals like 4 tickets , free transport and some sort of food combo (pies , hot dogs , burgers , chips and post mix bottomless drink ) for around $90 might help
You have to look at what the employees of these venues are paid .. we all want a good standard of living and with that comes paying more for everything , we have a small population and this is why ! No wages growth but continuing price increases across the board , when wages increase so does inflation and then interest rates .. So who does cover lowing the costs of everything to go to the footy ?if it was that easy it would already be happening .. the operators of ANZ are trying but reality is this is short term someone has to pay the piper!

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Post by Tiger Watto » Sat 10 Feb, 2018 7:54 am

I didnt realise the players now have 2 bodies extorting money out of the NRL [Players Union and Players Association]?

Players salaries are no ones business. The only reason the fans are torn on the subject is the BS reporting/speculation in the media. The media report a total remuneration package [which is usually inflated as the players manager spruiks it up] inclusive of base salary, bonuses, royalties & TPA, and this confuses the fans as they think that this value is what the clubs is paying them in the salary cap.

If there was to be any formal reporting function which is in the public domain, it should be the breakdown of the salary cap allocation at each club, not players salaries.
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Post by sheer64 » Sat 10 Feb, 2018 8:56 am

Tiger Watto wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 7:54 am
I didnt realise the players now have 2 bodies extorting money out of the NRL [Players Union and Players Association]?

Players salaries are no ones business. The only reason the fans are torn on the subject is the BS reporting/speculation in the media. The media report a total remuneration package [which is usually inflated as the players manager spruiks it up] inclusive of base salary, bonuses, royalties & TPA, and this confuses the fans as they think that this value is what the clubs is paying them in the salary cap.

If there was to be any formal reporting function which is in the public domain, it should be the breakdown of the salary cap allocation at each club, not players salaries.
As long as clubs are rorting (roostering) the system keep it all in house. Yeah that works!
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Post by diedpretty » Sat 10 Feb, 2018 9:29 am

happy tiger wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 1:14 am
NRL made 3.9 million dollar loss last season and only 3 clubs were profitable

Biggest problem is the cost of going to a game has made rugby league a TV sport

If they can't find a way of turning the public's trend around in the short term they have real issues long term

Cheaper family prices and double headers are the answers in my opinion

Doing deals like 4 tickets , free transport and some sort of food combo (pies , hot dogs , burgers , chips and post mix bottomless drink ) for around $90 might help

You mean like this happy :

"NO more excuses.

That was the message from Dane Gagai as the Rabbitohs and three other Sydney clubs launched a war against poor crowds by announcing their ‘Fans First’ initiative.

The Daily Telegraph’s Phil Rothfield revealed on Monday that South Sydney, along with the Tigers, Bulldogs and Eels, would be slashing ticket and food prices in 2018 to entice fans through the turnstiles at ANZ Stadium.

Adult tickets will be capped at $20, there is free entry for kids under 12 and free transport to the game. Plus $9.95 burger, chips and drink meal deals. Other weeks they’ll get $3 pies."

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Post by Cairnstigers » Sat 10 Feb, 2018 10:59 am

Snake wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 5:40 am
happy tiger wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 1:14 am
NRL made 3.9 million dollar loss last season and only 3 clubs were profitable

Biggest problem is the cost of going to a game has made rugby league a TV sport

If they can't find a way of turning the public's trend around in the short term they have real issues long term

Cheaper family prices and double headers are the answers in my opinion

Doing deals like 4 tickets , free transport and some sort of food combo (pies , hot dogs , burgers , chips and post mix bottomless drink ) for around $90 might help
You have to look at what the employees of these venues are paid .. we all want a good standard of living and with that comes paying more for everything , we have a small population and this is why ! No wages growth but continuing price increases across the board , when wages increase so does inflation and then interest rates .. So who does cover lowing the costs of everything to go to the footy ?if it was that easy it would already be happening .. the operators of ANZ are trying but reality is this is short term someone has to pay the piper!
Maybe the club's could look at rewarding their supporters who attend games
This could be by way of an exclusive invite for a limited number of ticket holders to attend a private dinner function held by the club
Or an exclusive meet and greet with a number of players
A limited number of "one off" Personally signed photos as prizes for attending games
Or the big prize of One autographed jersey by all players given to one lucky person at each game(by their favorite player)
A small price to pay for the club and could pull in A lot more supporters

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Post by Geo. » Sat 10 Feb, 2018 11:39 am

Did someone say $3 Pies...

As for Salary disclosure...Nope..

How much does Greenburg suck out of the game...Anyone know..?
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Post by Tiger Watto » Sat 10 Feb, 2018 12:17 pm

sheer64 wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 8:56 am
Tiger Watto wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 7:54 am
I didnt realise the players now have 2 bodies extorting money out of the NRL [Players Union and Players Association]?

Players salaries are no ones business. The only reason the fans are torn on the subject is the BS reporting/speculation in the media. The media report a total remuneration package [which is usually inflated as the players manager spruiks it up] inclusive of base salary, bonuses, royalties & TPA, and this confuses the fans as they think that this value is what the clubs is paying them in the salary cap.

If there was to be any formal reporting function which is in the public domain, it should be the breakdown of the salary cap allocation at each club, not players salaries.
As long as clubs are rorting (roostering) the system keep it all in house. Yeah that works!
The roosters arent rorting the cap... they are simply managing it better than most.
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Post by krayola » Sat 10 Feb, 2018 12:24 pm

Crowd numbers are low not just because of ticket prices.

Sydneysiders don’t travel to much of anything and we have a lot of Sydney based teams.

The population of Sydney has dramatically increased in recent years, with many new residents from Asia. No engagement has been made to woo these people. You’ll see plenty of them at the basketball though.

ANZ Stadium is far too large and the atmosphere is terrible. Way too many games are played there.

Its not a particularly family-friendly atmosphere. Too much grog and gambling advertising. Again, the basketball next door is a stark contrast.
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Post by Fade To Black » Sat 10 Feb, 2018 1:10 pm

Tiger Watto wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 12:17 pm
sheer64 wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 8:56 am
Tiger Watto wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 7:54 am
I didnt realise the players now have 2 bodies extorting money out of the NRL [Players Union and Players Association]?

Players salaries are no ones business. The only reason the fans are torn on the subject is the BS reporting/speculation in the media. The media report a total remuneration package [which is usually inflated as the players manager spruiks it up] inclusive of base salary, bonuses, royalties & TPA, and this confuses the fans as they think that this value is what the clubs is paying them in the salary cap.

If there was to be any formal reporting function which is in the public domain, it should be the breakdown of the salary cap allocation at each club, not players salaries.
As long as clubs are rorting (roostering) the system keep it all in house. Yeah that works!
The roosters arent rorting the cap... they are simply managing it better than most.
You honestly believe that Watto?
They may not be rorting the actual cap as such but their TPA's would be highly qustionable you would reckon.

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Post by Tiger Watto » Sat 10 Feb, 2018 1:23 pm

Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 1:10 pm
Tiger Watto wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 12:17 pm
sheer64 wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 8:56 am
Tiger Watto wrote:
Sat 10 Feb, 2018 7:54 am
I didnt realise the players now have 2 bodies extorting money out of the NRL [Players Union and Players Association]?

Players salaries are no ones business. The only reason the fans are torn on the subject is the BS reporting/speculation in the media. The media report a total remuneration package [which is usually inflated as the players manager spruiks it up] inclusive of base salary, bonuses, royalties & TPA, and this confuses the fans as they think that this value is what the clubs is paying them in the salary cap.

If there was to be any formal reporting function which is in the public domain, it should be the breakdown of the salary cap allocation at each club, not players salaries.
As long as clubs are rorting (roostering) the system keep it all in house. Yeah that works!
The roosters arent rorting the cap... they are simply managing it better than most.
You honestly believe that Watto?
They may not be rorting the actual cap as such but their TPA's would be highly qustionable you would reckon.
I see two equations in respect to how TPA's are managed.

There are clubs who operate their TPA's 'INLINE WITH THE RULES', and there are clubs who 'DONT BREAK THE RULES' when managing their TPA's.

It all comes down to how each club applies their interpretation in how they manage TPA's. Neither of the two scenarios are wrong, but they will definitely deliver 2 different results!
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Post by old man tiger » Sat 10 Feb, 2018 2:11 pm

Nearly everyone employed at a uni, hospital or government job has a publicly listed salary if you know what to google.

Just saying

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Post by bathursttiger » Sat 10 Feb, 2018 4:24 pm

SMH reporting that Greenberg admits that TPS'a need to change.
NRL club bosses will be asked how to overhaul the controversial third-party agreements system at a meeting next week after Todd Greenberg conceded the need for change in how player payments were made outside the salary cap.

The number of TPAs being registered with the NRL has been slashed since the Parramatta salary cap scandal, but the practice of the game's highest-profile stars receiving payments outside the traditional player payment pool has landed Manly in hot water with League HQ.


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And it is set to be a hot topic of debate among club chief executives at their first gathering of 2018 as the NRL looks to tighten the guidelines around TPAs.

Greenberg wouldn't be drawn on what an ideal system would like – if there should be one at all – but stressed there had been many challenges with the current model, which had plunged two of Sydney's highest-profile clubs into turmoil in recent years.



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"Ultimately the salary cap is there to ensure talent is equalised across the competition, which is our greatest strength. Any changes or additions we make to the TPA system needs to reflect that, too. When I talk to people who have issues with TPAs, I hear a lot of problems, but I don't hear a lot of solutions. That happens quite often in the game.

"I think the club CEOs want to have a strong voice in this and I'm looking forward to having a discussion with them next week."

Greenberg will then again raise the issue with Rugby League Players Association boss Ian Prendergast, who last year during delicate collective bargaining agreement negotiations argued for the abolition of the murky third-party system.

He preferred a more transparent player-marketing contract scheme capped at a certain amount for each franchise, which would involve independent deals brokered at arm's length from a club.

"[The number of TPAs] have dropped over the last couple of years," Greenberg said.

"I think it's more about two things – as the salary cap continues to go up, players are earning significant amounts of money through their contracts, and on the back of Parramatta – this is just anecdotal – but lots of players will go into contract negotiations and just want their fee inside their contract now. I can understand that, too."

The RLPA are also expected to be consulted about the prospect of a transfer window after another summer of frenzied player movement and clubs agreeing to release stars before their contracts have lapsed.

Mitchell Pearce, James Maloney, Matt Moylan and Bryce Cartwright have all swapped clubs after the grand final, long before their deals were supposed to end.

Rabbitohs gun and free agent Angus Crichton also announced he would join the Roosters in 2019, more than 12 months before shifting to Bondi.

"I understand that criticism and I'm open to finding a better solution if there is one," Greenberg said. "In saying that though we have to be careful don't make rules that get passed into cafes and corridors of private conversations.

"At the moment it's pretty transparent about the dates. I'm conscious if we make changes we don't want to push things underground, which just becomes innuendo which is what the game went through maybe five years ago."

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