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Post by Elderslie Tiger » Sat 21 Apr, 2018 8:42 pm

When will the NRL look at players who cause an other player to leave the field for HIA after an illegal act at present the injured player has to leave the field and may not return leaving his team short a player.The NRL could fix the problem quiet easily by the offending player having to leave the field and stay off until the injured player returns his team would have to use an interchange and the non offending team would not be disadvantaged.Something needs to happen as the present set up is not satisfactory and by introducing the new procedure it would make players think twice before committing an illegal act.


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Post by happy tiger » Sat 21 Apr, 2018 8:50 pm

Yates tackle on ET will be interesting

Does Yates attempt to wrap his arms ??

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Post by Chicken Faced Killa » Sat 21 Apr, 2018 8:55 pm

Problem is you then have teams leaving a player off so a more important player can be kept off from the opposing team.

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Post by Elderslie Tiger » Sat 21 Apr, 2018 8:58 pm

I was thinking more about the Liddle hit I think ET was a little unlucky it was more a head clash.

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Post by Elderslie Tiger » Sat 21 Apr, 2018 9:00 pm

Player would need to do assessment and this would determine if there fit or not.


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Post by WestsBenTigers » Sat 21 Apr, 2018 9:45 pm

Great idea, I’m all for it.

I also think that if play stops due to an injured player, he must leave the field.

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Post by jirskyr » Sat 21 Apr, 2018 10:52 pm

If you do any of that stuff you'd need an independent doctor for all head assessments and management.

I do agree it's becoming more and more of an issue, if you collect a bloke and force him off, you go on report perhaps but the ongoing match you are advantaged if he cannot return.

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Post by MG1962 » Sun 22 Apr, 2018 12:40 pm

WestsBenTigers wrote:
Sat 21 Apr, 2018 9:45 pm
Great idea, I’m all for it.

I also think that if play stops due to an injured player, he must leave the field.
In the NFL. It is mandatory for an injured player to miss the next play. Easy to adapt in the NRL to the next stoppage. You tweek it that if a player is the victim of illegal play. The player penalized has to leave for the same amount of time

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Post by Elderslie Tiger » Sun 22 Apr, 2018 3:36 pm

Did Mitchell Pearce leave the field for a HIA last night and ended up with a peck injury ???? were the Knights out of interchanges at the time

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Post by JRD » Wed 25 Apr, 2018 10:44 am

Elderslie Tiger wrote:
Sun 22 Apr, 2018 3:36 pm
Did Mitchell Pearce leave the field for a HIA last night and ended up with a peck injury ???? were the Knights out of interchanges at the time
I thought I noticed their trainer tapping his head while taking Pearce off the field

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Post by Marshall_magic » Wed 25 Apr, 2018 1:42 pm

JRD wrote:
Wed 25 Apr, 2018 10:44 am
Elderslie Tiger wrote:
Sun 22 Apr, 2018 3:36 pm
Did Mitchell Pearce leave the field for a HIA last night and ended up with a peck injury ???? were the Knights out of interchanges at the time
I thought I noticed their trainer tapping his head while taking Pearce off the field
Pearce was cradling his arm, but the trainer called an HIA. I don't know if they were out of subs, but it allowed for them to sub him off without using an interchange. As it was the final minutes of the game, they didn't need to worry about getting him back on again. Definitely not the only instance of this that has happened, but I can't see the NRL stopping it. It would suggest their original rule had holes in it that got out thought by the clubs.

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Post by mctiger » Thu 03 May, 2018 4:41 pm

So this topic was also raised in the Wests Tigers v Newcastle Knights game thread so I contacted the NRL direct for some clarity. They supplied a link to one of their articles from 2017 which is copied below............:

"New carefully-considered guidelines regarding the diagnosis and treatment of concussion were introduced to the NRL during Round 1 with a total of eight players removed from the field of play for further testing by medical staff.

Four of those players were cleared of any concussion and allowed to return but with questions surrounding potential flouting of the rules to gain an advantage via a free interchange, NRL.com spoke with the NRL's general manager of football operations Nathan McGuirk about the process that takes place and penalties for any misuse of the new guidelines.

"It's really important for fans to understand the process that takes place when one of their players does suffer a head injury and how they can or can't return to the field of play depending on what actually occurs," McGuirk explains.

"I think after Round 1 everyone would still agree that the game is still tough enough but we have to put rules and procedures in place that are in the best interests of the welfare of all of our players and that's what we're doing."

Injury and initial assessment
As Parramatta skipper Tim Mannah discovered on Sunday afternoon, a head injury can occur in the very first tackle of the game or at any point thereon throughout the 80 minutes of an NRL clash. As he stumbled to play the ball from the opening hit-up, Mannah was displaying one of the five key symptoms that a club's head trainer needs to be monitoring in order to determine whether a concussion has in fact taken place or not. As soon as Mannah stumbled, it was incumbent on the Eels head trainer to take him from the field for further testing.

"If he notices any one of those five symptoms the player has to leave the field immediately to be assessed," says McGuirk.

"That doesn't necessarily mean that the player is ruled out for the rest of the game. What it means is the player has to go in to the 15-minute sideline concussion assessment, which is conducted by the club doctor.

"The role of the head trainer is extremely important in this and he is the sole determiner along with the club doctor in whether or not a player has suffered one of these five symptoms.

"They need a Level 2 Sports Medicine Australia qualification to be a head trainer and from 2015 those standards are raising. To be a head trainer in the NRL in 2015 onwards you will need to have some type of formal medical qualification."

Assessment by club doctor
Once a player displays one of those five symptoms consistent with a possible concussion, they are taken from the field for further, more formal assessment by the club medical officer. A Sideline Concussion Assessment (SCA) is to be conducted within 15 minutes of the player being presented to the doctor for examination with the test normally taking between eight to 10 minutes to complete. The examination is undertaken using the Sport Concussion Assessment Tool (SCAT3) protocols and a decision made on whether the player can return to the field immediately, remain off the field to undergo further assessment or ruled out altogether. An SCA official will be present at each game to monitor the timeframe in which the process takes place.

"Once the player is in the hands of the club medical officer a stopwatch begins and a 15-minute assessment period starts from that time period," McGuirk explains.

"We had a case with Frank-Paul Nuuausala where he was taken from the field behind the in-goal line and it took him about a minute-and-a-half to get to the club doctor on the halfway line.

"From experience on the weekend it was around a 10-minute period that the club medical officer requires in order to complete the SCAT3 test which is a three-page document the doctor has to go through and complete certain questions as part of the examination on the player.

"If it is deemed after that examination that the player has suffered a concussion then that player is not allowed to return to the field of play for the remainder of that game."

Period in which a player can return
Although a player must return to the field within the 15-minute window in order to take advantage of the free interchange, it doesn't mean they cannot return later in the game if they are off the field for a longer period of time.

Indeed, it may be quite common for a club doctor to continue to monitor the physical well-being of a player on the sidelines to ensure a concussion isn't developing if an initial assessment is not conclusive.

"Concussion can be an evolving injury over time," McGuirk says. "A player can show little to no symptoms in the first 5-10 minutes of an assessment but progressively get worse. Sometimes the doctor may err on the side of caution and wait a little longer to see how potentially the injury evolves over time. And that may not occur, so potentially the player can be assessed over a 30-minute period and the doctor can decide that the injury hasn't evolved and they can clear the player to return to the field of play."

But in all instances, if a concussion is deemed to have occurred following the SCAT3 assessment, the player is not permitted to take any further part in the game.

Potential for exploitation
Any time a new rule or interpretation is introduced to rugby league coaches immediately begin looking for ways to gain a competitive advantage. Questions have already been raised as to whether the lure of a free interchange will be too tempting for teams to refuse but McGuirk points to the serious repercussions for any abuse of the guidelines and positive acceptance by the medical fraternity within the NRL to the changes as to their integrity.

"We've put some very strong guidelines around any club that is proven to have used a SCA for any reason other than what's described in the rules," he says.

"The penalties can range from anything from a substantial fine, people having their registrations suspended to potentially the loss of competition points. It would be viewed as similar to a team having an additional player on the field or an additional interchange.""

https://www.nrl.com/news/2014/03/14/con ... explained/

https://www.nrl.com/operations/the-play ... oncussion/

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Post by innsaneink » Thu 03 May, 2018 5:03 pm

They keep repeating the 5 symptoms - didnt see them anywhere, only one (stumbling) was mentioned

Thnx McTiger

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Post by happy tiger » Thu 03 May, 2018 5:10 pm

I understand how the initial tests take place

Give you 5 words

Then ask you do you know where you are

what day is it

first or 2nd half

Who scored the last try

score

Then get you to remember the 5 words again about 7-10 minutes later

But the mid week test , does anyone know the test to see if they are fit to play next week ??

Have looked but can't find anything

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