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Re: HOW RIGGED IS THE NRL

Post by steve-o » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 12:12 am

Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:58 pm
cochise wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:50 pm
steve-o wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:16 pm
jirskyr wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:05 pm

Was going to say the same thing

XL February 5, 2006 Pittsburgh Steelers over Seattle Seahawks
XLI February 4, 2007 Indianapolis Colts over Chicago Bears
XLII February 3, 2008 New York Giants over New England Patriots
XLIII February 1, 2009 Pittsburgh Steelers over Arizona Cardinals
XLIV February 7, 2010 New Orleans Saints over Indianapolis Colts
XLV February 6, 2011 Green Bay Packers over Pittsburgh Steelers
XLVI February 5, 2012 New York Giants over New England Patriots
XLVII February 3, 2013 Baltimore Ravens over San Francisco 49ers
XLVIII February 2, 2014 Seattle Seahawks over Denver Broncos
XLIX February 1, 2015 New England Patriots over Seattle Seahawks
50 February 7, 2016 Denver Broncos over Carolina Panthers
LI February 5, 2017 New England Patriots over Atlanta Falcons
LII February 4, 2018 Philadelphia Eagles over New England Patriots

Certainly lots of Super Bowl appearances for Patriots, Steelers and Seahawks... must be rigged! Patriots have won 5, lost 3 of the last 18 Super Bowls.
Got to be rigged. Nothing to do with TB12
He was drafted in the 6th round, that's how rigged the NFL is, they turned a 6th round pick into a hall of famer just so the Patriots could have a dynasty.

In all serious though anyone who believes that any major sporting competition is rigged is not thinking straight.
The NRL may not be "rigged" as in the result of a game is pre-determined but games/results are without question manipulated by referees to get a desired outcome. That is not far off being genuinely rigged IMO.
There are just too many horrendous stuff-ups every single week for it simply to be written off as incompetence or honest mistakes.
You could easily write a 10 000 word essay on examples of bias, favouritism etc in just the last 10 years of the NRL alone.
You only have to look at how many "fairytales" have occurred within the NRL comp over the last 10 years or so. If it is all just coincidence it would be astonishing to say the least.
I somewhat agree. The competition is not rigged, but there are a number of biases that favour particular teams. For example, the desire for strong tv ratings results in the broncos getting more free to air games (and thus exposure for sponsors) than other teams. Third party agreements favour teams with strong business connections (eg broncos, roosters). Referees giving teams catch up penalties or Billy Slater winning player of the series are other examples of ridiculous bias in our game. Even the judiciary is insanely inconsistent... they seem to come down harsh on “no-name” players or high profile cases (eg Sam Burgess elbow to Morris), whereas when a media darling is up for suspension ahead of an origin game, they find a way to exonerate him.
Agendas, unconscious bias, money, and a bunch of other factors have resulted in a number of inconsistencies that advantage some people/clubs over others. There is no overarching conspiracy to fix games though.
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Post by cochise » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 12:23 am

steve-o wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 12:12 am
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:58 pm
cochise wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:50 pm
steve-o wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:16 pm

Got to be rigged. Nothing to do with TB12
He was drafted in the 6th round, that's how rigged the NFL is, they turned a 6th round pick into a hall of famer just so the Patriots could have a dynasty.

In all serious though anyone who believes that any major sporting competition is rigged is not thinking straight.
The NRL may not be "rigged" as in the result of a game is pre-determined but games/results are without question manipulated by referees to get a desired outcome. That is not far off being genuinely rigged IMO.
There are just too many horrendous stuff-ups every single week for it simply to be written off as incompetence or honest mistakes.
You could easily write a 10 000 word essay on examples of bias, favouritism etc in just the last 10 years of the NRL alone.
You only have to look at how many "fairytales" have occurred within the NRL comp over the last 10 years or so. If it is all just coincidence it would be astonishing to say the least.
I somewhat agree. The competition is not rigged, but there are a number of biases that favour particular teams. For example, the desire for strong tv ratings results in the broncos getting more free to air games (and thus exposure for sponsors) than other teams. Third party agreements favour teams with strong business connections (eg broncos, roosters). Referees giving teams catch up penalties or Billy Slater winning player of the series are other examples of ridiculous bias in our game. Even the judiciary is insanely inconsistent... they seem to come down harsh on “no-name” players or high profile cases (eg Sam Burgess elbow to Morris), whereas when a media darling is up for suspension ahead of an origin game, they find a way to exonerate him.
Agendas, unconscious bias, money, and a bunch of other factors have resulted in a number of inconsistencies that advantage some people/clubs over others. There is no overarching conspiracy to fix games though.
I think this is a very accurate post and think it is something that happens throughout the world of sport, in the NFL many people believe that the bigger market teams get a better rub of the green in these same sorts of situations that you have pointed out. The AFL openly give advantages to teams in new markets.

I do disagree with the post you quoted saying that games are manipulated by refs to get a desired outcome, that would be out and out cheating and I honestly believe that is not occurring. There are however a number of aspects that can subconsciously have an impact on a referee, things such as home crowds, position on the ladder, perception of a team, team and player history can all influence a ref when making a decision. This is not cheating, just poor refereeing.

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Post by steve-o » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 12:28 am

cochise wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 12:23 am
steve-o wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 12:12 am
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:58 pm
cochise wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:50 pm


He was drafted in the 6th round, that's how rigged the NFL is, they turned a 6th round pick into a hall of famer just so the Patriots could have a dynasty.

In all serious though anyone who believes that any major sporting competition is rigged is not thinking straight.
The NRL may not be "rigged" as in the result of a game is pre-determined but games/results are without question manipulated by referees to get a desired outcome. That is not far off being genuinely rigged IMO.
There are just too many horrendous stuff-ups every single week for it simply to be written off as incompetence or honest mistakes.
You could easily write a 10 000 word essay on examples of bias, favouritism etc in just the last 10 years of the NRL alone.
You only have to look at how many "fairytales" have occurred within the NRL comp over the last 10 years or so. If it is all just coincidence it would be astonishing to say the least.
I somewhat agree. The competition is not rigged, but there are a number of biases that favour particular teams. For example, the desire for strong tv ratings results in the broncos getting more free to air games (and thus exposure for sponsors) than other teams. Third party agreements favour teams with strong business connections (eg broncos, roosters). Referees giving teams catch up penalties or Billy Slater winning player of the series are other examples of ridiculous bias in our game. Even the judiciary is insanely inconsistent... they seem to come down harsh on “no-name” players or high profile cases (eg Sam Burgess elbow to Morris), whereas when a media darling is up for suspension ahead of an origin game, they find a way to exonerate him.
Agendas, unconscious bias, money, and a bunch of other factors have resulted in a number of inconsistencies that advantage some people/clubs over others. There is no overarching conspiracy to fix games though.
I think this is a very accurate post and think it is something that happens throughout the world of sport, in the NFL many people believe that the bigger market teams get a better rub of the green in these same sorts of situations that you have pointed out. The AFL openly give advantages to teams in new markets.

I do disagree with the post you quoted saying that games are manipulated by refs to get a desired outcome, that would be out and out cheating and I honestly believe that is not occurring. There are however a number of aspects that can subconsciously have an impact on a referee, things such as home crowds, position on the ladder, perception of a team, team and player history can all influence a ref when making a decision. This is not cheating, just poor refereeing.
Yep, as you said, it’s poor refereeing as opposed to deliberate manipulation of results. And this is a conversation had across many competitions, not just the NRL
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Post by innsaneink » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 3:36 am

Kerry Cogger wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 5:09 pm
Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 3:39 pm
Kerry Cogger wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 3:31 pm
Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 3:27 pm


You do realise the Broncos have a total of 5 Friday night games this year. In years gone by when 9 decided the draw they got a heap of Friday nights but not this year.
And you do realise all others have been Thursday night except two games.Hmmmm when origins on the Wednesday night..All of a sudden their massive need for Brisbane on a Thursday/Friday night has gone walkies.Hmmm very convenient.
Cant have those poor little Bwoncos on a 2 day backup but they sure as hell can make sure the team travelling interstate has a short back up week in week out.
They have 11 Saturday and Sunday games this year.
I am not gonna argue with you thread after thread you aint playin the thread you are playin the man.
That's because you have no valid argument... You're posting crap and being called out on it and now running away

You're all talk no substance :blah

Put up valid arguments and you'll get respect here... Post conspiracy theory garbage and someone will take the time to expose your words for what they are.
Rubbish

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Post by Geo. » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 3:40 am

Souff;s lost so must be a double rope-a-dope...NRL want the Pride of the League there but don't want the 8 settled this far out...

Must have been a tough decision or the tin foil slipped at NRL HQ this week..

Rigged..
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Post by Onthebus » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 6:25 am

I'm so over this Souths pride of the league rubbish

The NRL administration is a disgrace, they are 20 years behind the AFL in that department

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Post by Chicken Faced Killa » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 7:04 am

Geo. wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 3:40 am
Souff;s lost so must be a double rope-a-dope...NRL want the Pride of the League there but don't want the 8 settled this far out...

Must have been a tough decision or the tin foil slipped at NRL HQ this week..

Rigged..
The NRL big wigs just read this thread and thought ‘oh they’re onto us better tweak the script a little’

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Post by Chicken Faced Killa » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 6:25 pm

If you were the NRL and wanted to rig the comp what would be the best top 8.

I’d say
Melbourne - still a developing market
Brisbane - big QLD club
Gold Coast - chance to establish a rivalry with Brisbane and get people on the coast interested - blow the Suns away.
Newcastle - big league town would be great for the game.
New Zealand - great for the game over there and will bring the expats out of the woodwork.
Then 3 of Wests/Souths/St. George/ Parra - probably the biggest Sydney clubs.

That top 8 would make the finals massive and crowds would surge.

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Post by happy tiger » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 7:13 pm

cochise wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 9:41 pm
Kerry Cogger wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 2:07 pm
cochise wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:50 pm
steve-o wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:16 pm

Got to be rigged. Nothing to do with TB12
He was drafted in the 6th round, that's how rigged the NFL is, they turned a 6th round pick into a hall of famer just so the Patriots could have a dynasty.

In all serious though anyone who believes that any major sporting competition is rigged is not thinking straight.
Ummm....Cochise meet roosters salary cap.Also sy hi to NRL draw scheduling.
The Broncos getting most Friday night games has nothing to do with rigging the draw, it is all about maximising rating in Qld. I still think it is wrong but to say they are doing because they are rigging the comp is tin foil hat thinking.

The Roosters use third party agreements to extend their cap, I personally do not know their is much the NRL can do about those as do not personally believe we should be limiting what players can earn through endorsements.
Can I please remind all that neither the Titans or Cowboys want Friday night games

This is half the reason why Brisbane get Friday Night games

The other is simple , they draw big crowds week in week out

Heard someone whinging about all the Broncos playing SOO , with Gillett injured , they had what 2-3 players McCullough , Oates and Milf from memory

I hate the Broncs as much as the next bloke , hurt them by getting a strong 2nd side in Brisbane asap , forget the Friday Night argument , it is ridiculous , if Sydney based sides showed up with 20 K + crowds every week things would change , trust me

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Post by Russell » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 7:41 pm

cochise wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 12:23 am
steve-o wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 12:12 am
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:58 pm
cochise wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:50 pm


He was drafted in the 6th round, that's how rigged the NFL is, they turned a 6th round pick into a hall of famer just so the Patriots could have a dynasty.

In all serious though anyone who believes that any major sporting competition is rigged is not thinking straight.
The NRL may not be "rigged" as in the result of a game is pre-determined but games/results are without question manipulated by referees to get a desired outcome. That is not far off being genuinely rigged IMO.
There are just too many horrendous stuff-ups every single week for it simply to be written off as incompetence or honest mistakes.
You could easily write a 10 000 word essay on examples of bias, favouritism etc in just the last 10 years of the NRL alone.
You only have to look at how many "fairytales" have occurred within the NRL comp over the last 10 years or so. If it is all just coincidence it would be astonishing to say the least.
I somewhat agree. The competition is not rigged, but there are a number of biases that favour particular teams. For example, the desire for strong tv ratings results in the broncos getting more free to air games (and thus exposure for sponsors) than other teams. Third party agreements favour teams with strong business connections (eg broncos, roosters). Referees giving teams catch up penalties or Billy Slater winning player of the series are other examples of ridiculous bias in our game. Even the judiciary is insanely inconsistent... they seem to come down harsh on “no-name” players or high profile cases (eg Sam Burgess elbow to Morris), whereas when a media darling is up for suspension ahead of an origin game, they find a way to exonerate him.
Agendas, unconscious bias, money, and a bunch of other factors have resulted in a number of inconsistencies that advantage some people/clubs over others. There is no overarching conspiracy to fix games though.
I think this is a very accurate post and think it is something that happens throughout the world of sport, in the NFL many people believe that the bigger market teams get a better rub of the green in these same sorts of situations that you have pointed out. The AFL openly give advantages to teams in new markets.

I do disagree with the post you quoted saying that games are manipulated by refs to get a desired outcome, that would be out and out cheating and I honestly believe that is not occurring. There are however a number of aspects that can subconsciously have an impact on a referee, things such as home crowds, position on the ladder, perception of a team, team and player history can all influence a ref when making a decision. This is not cheating, just poor refereeing.
Oh! you mean stuff like - the pass is two metres forward but it is a team that is second on the ladder, playing a team that is fourteenth on the ladder so it must not be a forward pass. I can see how that can subconsciously come into the referees mind.

No that wouldn't be bias or manipulating the result. Just unfortunate or the line - it will even up in the second half. Sure.

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Post by Fibros » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 8:43 pm

Just follow the Broncos. Problem solved.
We will smash em 50+ get on.

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Post by steve-o » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 9:27 pm

happy tiger wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 7:13 pm
cochise wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 9:41 pm
Kerry Cogger wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 2:07 pm
cochise wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:50 pm


He was drafted in the 6th round, that's how rigged the NFL is, they turned a 6th round pick into a hall of famer just so the Patriots could have a dynasty.

In all serious though anyone who believes that any major sporting competition is rigged is not thinking straight.
Ummm....Cochise meet roosters salary cap.Also sy hi to NRL draw scheduling.
The Broncos getting most Friday night games has nothing to do with rigging the draw, it is all about maximising rating in Qld. I still think it is wrong but to say they are doing because they are rigging the comp is tin foil hat thinking.

The Roosters use third party agreements to extend their cap, I personally do not know their is much the NRL can do about those as do not personally believe we should be limiting what players can earn through endorsements.
Can I please remind all that neither the Titans or Cowboys want Friday night games

This is half the reason why Brisbane get Friday Night games

The other is simple , they draw big crowds week in week out

Heard someone whinging about all the Broncos playing SOO , with Gillett injured , they had what 2-3 players McCullough , Oates and Milf from memory

I hate the Broncs as much as the next bloke , hurt them by getting a strong 2nd side in Brisbane asap , forget the Friday Night argument , it is ridiculous , if Sydney based sides showed up with 20 K + crowds every week things would change , trust me
Both of your reasons are wrong lol
Broncos get so many free to air games because of TV ratings, that’s it. The ratings for Cowboys and Titans don’t come close to the broncos, so even if they wanted home games on Thursday/Friday, Broncos would still get the free to air games.
Crowd sizes have nothing to do with it
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Post by steve-o » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 9:32 pm

Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 6:25 pm
If you were the NRL and wanted to rig the comp what would be the best top 8.

I’d say
Melbourne - still a developing market
Brisbane - big QLD club
Gold Coast - chance to establish a rivalry with Brisbane and get people on the coast interested - blow the Suns away.
Newcastle - big league town would be great for the game.
New Zealand - great for the game over there and will bring the expats out of the woodwork.
Then 3 of Wests/Souths/St. George/ Parra - probably the biggest Sydney clubs.

That top 8 would make the finals massive and crowds would surge.
I reckon the NRL would want:
Broncos
Storm
Warriors
Tigers
Eels
Bulldogs
Rabbitohs
Dragons
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Post by Kerry Cogger » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 9:41 pm

steve-o wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 12:28 am
cochise wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 12:23 am
steve-o wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 12:12 am
Fade To Black wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 12:58 pm

The NRL may not be "rigged" as in the result of a game is pre-determined but games/results are without question manipulated by referees to get a desired outcome. That is not far off being genuinely rigged IMO.
There are just too many horrendous stuff-ups every single week for it simply to be written off as incompetence or honest mistakes.
You could easily write a 10 000 word essay on examples of bias, favouritism etc in just the last 10 years of the NRL alone.
You only have to look at how many "fairytales" have occurred within the NRL comp over the last 10 years or so. If it is all just coincidence it would be astonishing to say the least.
I somewhat agree. The competition is not rigged, but there are a number of biases that favour particular teams. For example, the desire for strong tv ratings results in the broncos getting more free to air games (and thus exposure for sponsors) than other teams. Third party agreements favour teams with strong business connections (eg broncos, roosters). Referees giving teams catch up penalties or Billy Slater winning player of the series are other examples of ridiculous bias in our game. Even the judiciary is insanely inconsistent... they seem to come down harsh on “no-name” players or high profile cases (eg Sam Burgess elbow to Morris), whereas when a media darling is up for suspension ahead of an origin game, they find a way to exonerate him.
Agendas, unconscious bias, money, and a bunch of other factors have resulted in a number of inconsistencies that advantage some people/clubs over others. There is no overarching conspiracy to fix games though.
I think this is a very accurate post and think it is something that happens throughout the world of sport, in the NFL many people believe that the bigger market teams get a better rub of the green in these same sorts of situations that you have pointed out. The AFL openly give advantages to teams in new markets.

I do disagree with the post you quoted saying that games are manipulated by refs to get a desired outcome, that would be out and out cheating and I honestly believe that is not occurring. There are however a number of aspects that can subconsciously have an impact on a referee, things such as home crowds, position on the ladder, perception of a team, team and player history can all influence a ref when making a decision. This is not cheating, just poor refereeing.
Yep, as you said, it’s poor refereeing as opposed to deliberate manipulation of results. And this is a conversation had across many competitions, not just the NRL
Its not poor refereeing its agenda based from thee boardrooms above. This is where the problem lies Rip the storm or Roosters etc off your name is mud.Not by the masses who support the peoples teams but by the select few who are the "movers and shakers.This is where the problem lies over the course of a year the hundreds of 50-50 calls a team receives should even out...Well let me tell you it doesn't it operates 90-10 to the elite.A lot of players,officials and fans from a lot of clubs have had enough of this crap.

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Post by innsaneink » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 9:56 pm

Lets see the detailed figures Kerry...
Youre very very definitive

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Post by happy tiger » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 10:15 pm

steve-o wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 9:27 pm
happy tiger wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 7:13 pm
cochise wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 9:41 pm
Kerry Cogger wrote:
Sat 21 Jul, 2018 2:07 pm


Ummm....Cochise meet roosters salary cap.Also sy hi to NRL draw scheduling.
The Broncos getting most Friday night games has nothing to do with rigging the draw, it is all about maximising rating in Qld. I still think it is wrong but to say they are doing because they are rigging the comp is tin foil hat thinking.

The Roosters use third party agreements to extend their cap, I personally do not know their is much the NRL can do about those as do not personally believe we should be limiting what players can earn through endorsements.
Can I please remind all that neither the Titans or Cowboys want Friday night games

This is half the reason why Brisbane get Friday Night games

The other is simple , they draw big crowds week in week out

Heard someone whinging about all the Broncos playing SOO , with Gillett injured , they had what 2-3 players McCullough , Oates and Milf from memory

I hate the Broncs as much as the next bloke , hurt them by getting a strong 2nd side in Brisbane asap , forget the Friday Night argument , it is ridiculous , if Sydney based sides showed up with 20 K + crowds every week things would change , trust me
Both of your reasons are wrong lol
Broncos get so many free to air games because of TV ratings, that’s it. The ratings for Cowboys and Titans don’t come close to the broncos, so even if they wanted home games on Thursday/Friday, Broncos would still get the free to air games.
Crowd sizes have nothing to do with it
Steve The 8.00 pm game on Friday is usually the highest rating FTA NRL game every weekend either way by a big margin , doesn't matter who is playing

Cowboys have many people travel anything up to 4-6 hours to their games and prefer the Saturday night timeslot for home games

Titans prefer the 2.00 pm Sunday home games for holidaymakers / fans can watch either home and away , people check out at 10.00 pm Sunday morning and get to the game after lunch

Cowboys and Titans only want Friday games for the derby games against each other or Brisbane of course

Fans watching games want atmosphere , having 7000 show up to watch the Roosters play the Dogs for example doesn't do it

Having 40 000 + watching a Bronc's v Cowboys game which have been some of the games of the season for at least the last 5-6 years has fans talking before a whistle has even been blown

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Post by Chicken Faced Killa » Sun 22 Jul, 2018 10:22 pm

innsaneink wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 9:56 pm
Lets see the detailed figures Kerry...
Youre very very definitive
Don’t waste your time mate, facts are Kerry’s forte.

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Post by Kerry Cogger » Mon 23 Jul, 2018 12:33 am

Chicken Faced Killa wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 10:22 pm
innsaneink wrote:
Sun 22 Jul, 2018 9:56 pm
Lets see the detailed figures Kerry...
Youre very very definitive
Don’t waste your time mate, facts are Kerry’s forte.
You trying to hijack another thread.You certainly have some hijacking form don't you?

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